Tsarnaev Brothers Had No Gun Permits (Open Thread)

© Miri WTPOTUS April 22, 2013

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Last week, the Senate voted down expanded background checks, which would have covered all “advertised” private gun sales.  After the Boston Massacre of 4/15/2013, gun control advocates began predictably to call once again for more gun control legislation, and added control of the purchase of black powder, which allows a person to make or reload ammunition.  As many news reports have pointed out:   the Muslim Tsarnaev brothers had no permits to carry weapons, and yet they did, nonetheless. 

Criminals and terrorists, by definition, do not obey laws [emphasis added to quotes.]

In the confrontation with police on the streets of a Boston suburb, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were armed with handguns, at least one rifle and several explosive devices, authorities say.

But neither brother appears to have been legally entitled to own or carry firearms where they lived …

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, who was killed in the shootout with police, would have been required to apply for a gun license with the local police department where he lived in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

But there is no record of him having done so, according to Cambridge Police Department spokesman Dan Riviello.

Even if he had earlier received a gun license from somewhere outside Cambridge, that license would have to be registered with Cambridge police upon becoming a resident of the city, Riviello said. In Massachusetts, gun licenses are issued by municipal police departments.

“There is no record of him having a license to carry,” Riviello told Reuters.

Tsarnaev’s younger brother Dzhokhar, 19, who was captured alive on Friday after the manhunt, would have been too young to get a handgun license. Under state law, residents under 21 may only apply for a so-called firearms identification card, which allows the holder to own only rifles that hold 10 rounds or less and shotguns.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had no record of a firearms ID card in Cambridge. The police department in Dartmouth, where Dzhokhar was a student, said they had no record of gun licenses or ID cards for either brother.

Also predictably, this terrorist attack is being politicized–used to further restrict the Constitutional rights and the freedom of innocent Americans, the very people who are victimized by criminals and terrorists.

Senator Lindsey Graham implied that perhaps our government ought to be allowed to deploy ARMED drones within the USA, to take out US citizens who have been labeled terrorists:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) stirred the pot by suggesting that the Boston Marathon bombing incident proved the assertion that the United States is the battlefield in the war against jihadists. He recalled that during Sen. Rand Paul’s filibuster on drones, “I went to the floor for only one objection. He said ‘American is not the battlefield..’” Graham said he had brought with him a poster of the twin towers. Graham recalled, “I said, ‘This is the first battle.’”

Before the second bombing suspect was apprehended Friday night, Graham explained his reasoning during that filibuster regarding use of drones at home. “I said, ‘They’ll be more cities.’” At the time be belittled Rand Paul’s concern about Americans getting zapped by drones. He recalled his words then about Americans killed on U.S. soil, “Americans killed by drones. Zero. Americans killed by al-Qaeda. 2,995 [on 9-11-2001].” …

Graham also leads the charge against reading the prime suspect his Miranda rights.  Other legislators argue for more surveillance cameras, even though it’s as likely that images and video captured by citizens would have led to the same suspects, regardless of whether or not Lord and Taylor had their cameras aimed at the finish line:

Some lawmakers argue that there can be no expectation of privacy in public, and that additional surveillance cameras are the best way to prevent attacks or track-down home-grown terrorists who operate off the grid of traditional communications monitored closely by U.S. intelligence authorities.

“If you walk down the street, anyone can look at you, anyone can see where you’re going. You have no expectation of privacy when you’re out in public,” said Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the former chairman of the Homeland Security panel and a member of the Intelligence Committee.

“This is not looking into someone’s home or doing something that would require a search warrant,” King said in an interview with The Hill. “We’re talking about something which is out in the open.”

Other lawmakers agree public cameras can be useful in the war on terrorism, especially in urban environments where terrorists can easily slip into the crowd.

The incident is also being used to push for “immigration reform“:

The Boston bombings and the foreign-born suspects have become part of the Capitol Hill debates on legislation to overhaul immigration law — with critics of the proposal saying Sunday the terror attacks expose gaps in the country’s system and supporters saying the tragedy could be a turning point in fixing a broken system.

Now is the time to bring all of the 11 million (illegal immigrants) out of the shadows and find out who they are,” South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham told CNN’s “State of the Union.”  “We may find some terrorists in our midst who have been hiding in the shadows.”

Graham and New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer, members of a bipartisan Senate group working on immigration reform, said a key part of the legislation is better tracking of who enters and exits the United States on visas.

The 19 (9/11) hijackers were all students who overstayed their visas and the system didn’t capture that,” Graham argued. “We’re going to fix that. … What happened in Boston should urge us to act quicker.” …

“Our law toughens things up,” Schumer told CNN. “There are some on the hard right, some otherwise, who oppose our immigration bill from the get-go, and they’re using this as an excuse. We are not going to let them do that.” …

Now is the time!  Never let a crisis go to waste!

How coincidental that this incident touches upon most of the issues–the agenda–currently being rammed through Congress.

We the People who are not criminals (or terrorists) will find our lives constricted, although nothing implemented since 9/11/01 stopped that terror attack in Boston on 4/15/2013.  Why not?  Twelve years after, and still we ask,

“Are we safe?”

After all the billions of dollars spent, after all the bureaucracy created, after all the employees hired, after all the data sharing, these Chechen Muslim brothers somehow slipped through the cracks.  After another country (said to be Russia) WARNED our intelligence agencies that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a radicalized Muslim with connections to terrorist elements in Dagestan–even so, he was allowed to remain in the USA.

Their new laws will infringe upon us and our rights, but they will not affect the criminals or terrorists, who already ignore laws and who, apparently, are able to come here at will, with no scrutiny whatsoever, even obtain citizenship, and then wreak havoc, kill and maim.

What is wrong with this picture?


213 responses to “Tsarnaev Brothers Had No Gun Permits (Open Thread)

  1. Russia contacted FBI ‘multiple’ times
    April 23, 2013

    WASHINGTON — Russian authorities alerted the FBI not once but “multiple’’ times over their concerns about Tamerlan Tsarnaev — including a second time nearly a year after he was first interviewed by FBI agents in Boston — raising new questions about whether the FBI should have focused more attention on the suspected Boston Marathon bomber, according to US senators briefed on the probe Tuesday.
    The FBI has previously said it interviewed Tsarnaev in early 2011 after it was initially contacted by the Russians. After that review, the FBI has said, it determined he did not pose a threat.

    In a closed briefing on Tuesday, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee learned that Russia alerted the United States about Tsarnaev in “multiple contacts’’ — including “at least once since October 2011,’’ said Richard Burr, a Republican of North Carolina, speaking with reporters afterward.

    Senators said the briefing also revealed failures among federal agencies to share vital information about Tsarnaev, indicating, they said, that the US government still has not established a strong system to “connect the dots’’ about would-be terrorists residing in America more than a decade after 9/11.


    • More lies. Naps has so much ‘splainin’ to do. They’re trying to blame the Russians, by saying they were contacted only once and then the Russians wouldn’t give further information. This LIE is everywhere today! Their fallback argument is that the Russians label every political opponent as a potential terrorist (boy, does that sound familiar!) so they couldn’t take their word for it and they tend to dismiss it as politics. Yeah, that’s the ticket. If that one doesn’t fly, they’ll make up a new lie. They know BY NOW that the Congress as a whole have no guts. I saw that damned Graham griping on TV last night about Naps’s lies; all I could do was scream “IMPEACH”. The solution is so simple, IF THEY CARE. Impeach Barry and all the others go, too, including Naps and Holder.

  2. CNN interview begins about 14:40

    Arrest of Suspect #1 or else someone they haven’t told us about…

    • well, you know if you wanted to make up somebody that looked like your suspect yu would need a few photos of his face, oh and of course a good makeup artist….FBI has some good ones —-anybody remember Bender, he’s dead now, but he’s the forensic artist that created all the faces from found bones of homicide victims. He worked for the FBI for years. I suspect the FBI gloated that photo of the dead guy. Who else would have privy to the supposed dead suspect? Am I right?

      • woops , not gloated , I meant the FBI probably floated that fake dead guy or some other dude from the morgue with a good makeup job. The giant hole in the guys side was probably from their morgue dead guy, so they decided they had to say the brother ran over him.who knows.

        • Could be the FBI or their comrades accidently killed that cop too. Why in the heck would they need to kill this cop? Just makes no sense.

      • i remember Bender. He was awesome. I didn’t he passed. RIP.
        I think of him often with all the pics of all the little barkies.

        • Frank Bender….by the way that’s also the name of an old spy. He supposedly had something like mesothelioma…..died just in the past year or two.

    • Naked dude looks to me like Tamerlan. Whole and perfectly fine. The body is what’s convincing. Sloped shoulders and calf muscles look like a wrestler. Hairline looks similar, too. He could be another Middle Easterner that they rousted and later released, but that would be a stretch. (Yeah! That’s the ticket.) Is that not Jake Tapper? What’s HIS explanation, do you think? Ya think he might be concerned that this guy who so much resembles Tamerlan, if he was Tamerlan, later ended up DEAD in an alleged shootout?

      • Miri, just looked again at the FAKE dead Tamerlan. Now what parts are photoshopped, I didn’t spend too much time, but I did notice how blood spatters were put on after the body was photographed. He’s in the hospital still, supposedly. So who took the photo and released it? Poor guy has lost all his genital hair below his belly button or maybe they had to shave and amputate ? The little IV on his right arm is sadly not going to revive this guy, judging the nice “clean” hole in his side big enough all his organs in about 10 seconds. There is no torn flesh anywhere from bullet exit wounds either. THis is just a FAKE photo, from where I havn’t a clue. Maybe the naked guy taken in the cop car was photographed and then all this stuff was added later for effect, but it aint real, at least, not all of it. This guy(from the likes of this photo) was ready for the morgue before he got to a hospital, and there’s no medical devices near him, yet he’s got his little arm bracelet on. Patsies or accomplises for WHO.

        • I heard somewhere that one of the “conspiracy theories” his parents are spouting is that both of them are still alive. Who the heck knows? Jake Tapper interviewed the kid who allegedly took photos of the shootout. Now that kid says that both brothers were shooting, so both did have guns (according to him). There are hazy photos he shows, but there are a lot they don’t show; Tapper is seen paging through them. He took the photos from the top floor of his house. Oddly enough, the house across the street looks like the house in the video of the SWAT teams pounding on the door; but maybe I’m just seeing things. Both the SUV and the smaller car are shown in this guy’s photo, so that implies that they DID drive away from MIT in two cars. He said they were getting stuff (explosives) out of the sedan. Then he says that Tamerlan just suddenly ran down the street towards the cops, and they shot him and then Dzhokhar got in the car, turned around, and drove away. I wonder why he drove towards the cops instead of down the street in the other direction? It had to be so, that he drove TOWARD the cops, otherwise, how could he run over his brother? I’m of the opinion that anything “leaked” to the media is a planned “leak” and probably is bogus. My guess is that he was in the hospital morgue; that’s what it looks like to me. The story was that a doctor at the hospital said he was “riddled” with so many bullets that he couldn’t count them and decided to let the person who autopsies him count them. Do you see a bullet-ridden body with too many holes to count? For what it’s worth, the face looks like Tamerlan, to me. But I didn’t spend a lot of time looking and it’s annoying to have to mentally rotate the photo. To look closely, I figured I’d have to save the photo and rotate it, and I was too lazy to do it.

          • Ok. I looked again. It looks like one of Dr. P’s “head games”. The blood does a good job of hiding the splice. Why does his head look as if it’s sitting in a drawer? They have woven baskets? If not, then what’s that wickerwork thing under his neck? Sort of looks like there’s the remnant of another ear on the neck, under the added-on head. I don’t see a bunch of bullets. With no SOURCE, then who can say if it’s real or not? It’s like most of the photos of Barry’s imaginary family.

  3. April 23, 2013

    “BREAKING! MORE VIPs ARE GETTING ON THE BANDWAGON! The Obama Fraud Is Nearing a Complete Exposure!”

    “1. Lt. Zullo confirms that a meeting with a large “group” of VIPs is now on the schedule. This is a huge step forward in the potential prosecution of the Obama fraud. This meeting arrangement was just finalized in the last couple of days. The group of VIPs has asked to see the Arpaio evidence, in light of all the recent exposure that Gallups and Zullo have brought to the case with their recent trip to CPAC and Capitol Hill. Zullo will soon give them a presentation that should prove to be overwhelming evidence of the fraud, felony, and fabrication perpetrated by the White House. If this group endorses what Arpaio and Zullo shows them – it could prove to be a huge advancement in the potential prosecution of the case. This presentation is scheduled to happen just weeks from now.

    2. Another, and very important, VIP of standing is still promising and laying specific plans for a monumental exposure of the case and movement for criminal prosecution. …

    3. A couple of other meetings with additional VIPs of standing are on the calendar. They too wish to personally see and hear the evidence that Arpaio and his investigators have amassed in this criminal case of national fraud.

    We asked Gallups to define what he means by a “VIP.” Gallups responded, “A VIP is a very important person of standing. That is a person who can DO something about this case – a person who can move this case to the prosecution level. There are several State and Federal officials and law enforcement entities that can make that happen. These are the ONLY people we are dealing with at this point. The investigation has been done. The evidence is in. The document is a 100% proven and signed off on – FRAUD. There is no more question about that.

    Gallups went on to say, ” Now the only questions that remain are 1. Who did it? and 2. Why did the POTUS offer it as his own? These are huge questions and we are dealing only with people now who have “standing” in the matter – people who can get this case to a prosecution level. That is finally happening. We are further along now with this matter than ever before. I know people are anxious. Mike Zullo, Sheriff Arpaio, and I are asking people to be patient – something will happen soon.””


  4. “Beck: I Have Ten Smoking Guns And Altered Documents; This Is Not The Birth Certificate Issue”


    pragmaticite’s comment at ORYR:


    “BOYCOTT GLENN BECK – This man turns his back on facts uncovered by Zullo, Zebest, Corsi, and many others and has the arrogance to attempt to validate his arguments on other issues by denigrating the eligibility issue. As he poisons the public discourse on the Constitutional requirements for the office of POTUS, he spits on the honor of heroes like Terry Lakin who sacrificed so much for the very principles Beck gets paid to harp about. He provides cover for others in the media as well as elected officials who refuse to even discuss the meaning of “natural born citizen.”

    Glenn Beck deserves only to discover a void in his audience of his own creation through insulting and alienating those who have examined the merits of the Natural Born Citizen issue and find it worthy of proper investigation.”

    • Published on April 24, 2013

      [go to 11:36]

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Regarding Beck. .. I, personally, am not about to throw the baby out with the bath water. He won’t touch the b.c./document forgery. issue with a ten foot pole. He made that choice clear a long time ago, Who knows what his reasoning is. My guess is he was thrown off Fox for being too outspoken against the regime and he has drawn his line in the sand so that he isn’t further marginalized. He won’t cross that line.

        But he has a lot of valuable information that is available nowhere else. Especially since Fox is compromised. I Hope the Koch brothers do establish a media outlet as reported on Drudge, recently.

        Again, regarding Beck, I’m not folding YMMV.

        • I was thinking the same thing this morning. He’s picking his battles. He alluded to this on his show. He said he has to be VERY careful and make sure everything’s verified because they are ruthless in planting disinformation to trip people like him up. Because they CAN’T verify the BC, I think this is why so many back off it. They may suspect, as we do, but without proof, they fall into that trap set by the obots who say we have to PROVE a negative. We’re supposed to prove his documents are FAKE (which is impossible without SEEING ANY) but he doesn’t have to prove they’re real.

    • How convenient, now just when Beck is revealing REALLY TREASONOUS stuff, people are calling for boycott of him. . .

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Exactly Miri.
        Exactly WAH.

      • Who’s calling for a boycott? Oh, I see. ORYR. What? Because he doesn’t discuss the birth certificate? Although revealing Barry once and for all for the fraud that we know he is would PERHAPS cause him to leave the WH, this stuff about the Saudis IS so treasonous. They’re LYING to our representatives and they don’t even really try to hide it. That’s far more serious than faking a birth certificate; however, that BC was just the tip of the iceberg and THE symbol of all that’s wrong with his entire presidency. And it’s exactly how we find ourselves at this place, at this time. They gave him that inch–the false identity and let him skate on it–and now he’s taken a mile–our entire constitutional system of government and trashed it–but they don’t know HOW to stop him now. The DemoncRATS care MORE about power than they do about our country. They will NOT look at the proof or the truth when it’s right in front of their noses. They are ALL in DENIAL.

  5. Has anyone broken down what Beck is saying with document images to be circulated on social medias to get in front of people who will NEVER go to The Blaze or listen to him?

    • Something to print out and leave around town as ‘news’?

      • my malware says that is a suspicious site, then it blocked it from corrupting my computor.

        • No problems, I easily accessed Atlas’s site.

        • don’t know what happened, I figured you were able to go there without this or you wouldnt have posted it. I’m getting lots of weird stuff lately, someone knows exactly what I am looking at and even provide me with my choices sometimes before I can finish typing in my searches. You’d think ‘someone’ would be more discreet
          Last night after reading the “Lame Prophet”, as I now like to call the Cherryman,something interesting happened. I had just read for the first time about Judyth Baker on that site.So now the only thing that would give even a hint of who I may decide to look up out of the thousands of Judyths on the etherworld, would be what I was reading from this site. I start to type in Judyth in my search and the first ten things that pop up are all Judyth Baker Oswald related. Hmmm….

          • https://cavnews.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/evidence-mounts-boston-bombers-were-fbi-assets/
            Remember Koinange, who with ALLAfrica tv station now, was the one who interviewed Mark Ndesandjo (as they laughed and smiled thru the interview)…and he made the claims that he remembered Mark,while Koinange played soccer in high school Mark took up music (but Mark also claims he left Africa and went to American schools since he was 7 or 8, agrees with the whole lie). Koinange worked for CNN till it was exposed that he provided faked war torn village stories for CNN. He was also involved (had to be a cia asset) in a romance/rape/murder/journalism story just prior to his position at ALLAFRICA. As he interviews Mark and laughs about his prior job just out of high school working on the airline PANAM….and they claim thats the last time Mark and he had seen each other on a PANAM (known CIA front)flight.

            • I didn’t know he worked for CNN or was caught faking stories. That’s funny and interesting. Birds of a feather …

          • Matter of fact, there are at least five interviews with Jeff Koinange and Mark N.
            Remember in Obama’s book ‘Dreams” he meets someone in the airport who worked for the airline and Knew Little Barak and recognized him, but thought he was David?

          • Jeff Koinange is a piece of work. He has a muslim wife also. He was acused of raping a journalist who was inticing him for a story on the murder of the loved economist who was murdered in Africa, OUKO. I think Koinange was trying to get close to her to see what she knew. Any way,before that he was paying people , actors to make war torn areas appear more war torn or show a bunch of action. CNN probably knew ,but they used Jeff as their out. Jeff was complicite of course. Anyway that’s all water under the bridge, but I’m just saying Jeff spent some time, I personally think running intelligence or doing odd jobs for who ever was paying or for CIA. He’s a real talker and a faker. If you’ll notice CNN has done the most on Mark N. Obama in the states and when O. went to China too.

      • Same person, Al-Harbi? the kid in the white headscarf in photo at below at FR link, comment 3. Then look too the right, same picture, the green mask on the top of the kids head.

        ODDS ARE Boston Bomber Is Either Islamic Extremist or Left-Wing Terrorist

        Wednesday, April 17, 2013

        (person of interest in Boston bombing, comment 3)


        Now look at Miri’s comment about the protesters masks they were wearing during the attack on Benghazi. Same identical masks, just a different color? –


        • Isn’t that a mask of Anonymous? Some Freepers said it is a mask of Occupy people, but I immediately thought of Anonymous.

        • What a memory you have, Leza. Guy Fawkes masks. Who knew it was a “thing” with Islamists, too?

        • I combined 3 photos of the masks: Anonymous, Occupy, and the Saudi in the photo with a mask on his head.

          • Thank you very much Bridgette for putting the comparisons of the masks side by side. Same exact masks, but yes the green and the writing symbolizes Islamists, Al Qaeda.

            Please re-read what I posted the other day –


            In Part –

            Snip ~

            No pantheon of civil-liberties icons would be complete without the self-proclaimed “radical human-rights attorney” Lynne Stewart, a devoted Maoist who has defended such notorious figures as Weather Underground bomber Kathy Boudin and Black Panther Willie Holder. She also has gone on record saying that, if given the opportunity, she would defend Osama bin Laden.

            Stewart made national headlines in April 2002 when she was arrested for providing material support to the Islamic Group, an Egypt-based terrorist organization with close links to Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network. After Stewart’s arrest, a litany of leftwing civil-liberties organizations instantly rushed to her aid.
            Lynne Stewart was the civil-liberties (ACLU) attorney for the Blind Sheik. Think Benghazi. Lynne Stewart Defense Committee received a $20,000 gift of support for her defense. The ending tally of support ended up being much more than that, around $80,000, but I’ll have too go back and find that info. Soros helped financially to help support occupy. Lynne Stewart had defended Kathy Boudin and Black Panther Willie Holder at their trials.

            And do not forget this –

            Aurora, Colo., theater shooter James Holmes converts to Islam
            Thursday, March 21, 2013

            The man who shot up an Aurora, Colo., movie theater during a screening of “The Dark Knight Rises” last summer has reportedly converted to Islam and prays up to five times a day.

            A prison source say the beard James Holmes sported in court last months represents his new-found faith. The source said Mr. Holmes has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports.


            uh huh, Holmes “suddenly converts to Islam” riiiiiight! that’s the ticket.

            Wasn’t Holmes part of occupy, oh yes! reportedly he was!

            Colorado Shooter Active With Occupy Wall Street
            July 21, 2012 by Kris Zane

            Occupy Wall Street’s main website, OccupyWallStreet.org, has named Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as an Occupy Black Bloc Member, which has been confirmed by Occupy Black Bloc researcher and expert private investigator Bill Warner.


            Yes Miri, TG I do have a good memory on somethings. I stated way back when Benghazi happened that there is a connection between the islamists and the communists working together. I meant it when I said it then, and I still believe it now. Believe you me, I’m keeping track and documenting…;-)

          • And just a fyi. The guy from india that lived just a few doors down from Lanza, and just sayin’

            again just a fyi 😉

            India’s Muslims adopt Hindu names

            Tuesday, August 21, 2007

            CALCUTTA — Members of India’s large Muslim minority are often adopting Hindu names and dress styles in an attempt to avoid widespread prejudice that keeps them from housing and jobs.
            Analysts say there could be thousands of Muslims in Calcutta who, like these three, are quietly hiding their religious identities in order to fit in.


          • Thank you Miri. As if things can not get shocking enough, I found this last night. And I realize I’ve been referencing FR a lot lately but it’s about the only place left on the web you can go back and retrace documented history that has not been erased from the web.

            Rep. ROHRABACHER (1999) — How the Clinton Administration brought the Taliban to power

            Senate testimony |April 14, 1999 Rep. Dana Rohrabacher

            April 14, 1999, Wednesday

            WASHINGTON, D.C.

            U.S. SENATOR ROD GRAMS (R-MN)

            FOR SOUTH ASIA

            MR. T. KUMAR

            DR. BARNETT RUBIN

            Snip ~

            ROHRABACHER: [please read ROHRABACHER’S statement at link]


            And at comment 5

            Terrorists had a friend in Clinton White House called Robin

            Attention is sure to be focused on the role of Robin Raphel, former assistant secretary of state, in downplaying the threat from Taliban, as the gaze turns inwards.

            also comment 12

            During two trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan in April and August 1996, US Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphael frequently lobbied for the Unocal pipeline, according to Pakistani and Afghan diplomats. In August, Raphael also visited Central Asian capitals and Moscow. “We have an American company which is interested in building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through to Pakistan,” Raphael said at a press conference in Islamabad on April 21, 1996. “This pipeline project will be very good for Turkmenistan, for Pakistan and for Afghanistan.”

            And again @ comment 17

            The Boston Globe
            September 20, 2001, Thursday ,THIRD EDITION NATIONAL/FOREIGN; Pg. A32

            By Anthony Shadid, and John Donnelly, Globe Staff

            WASHINGTON – During the Clinton administration, US diplomats held more than a dozen meetings with Taliban officials in a courtship aimed at getting the Afghan leadership to moderate its views and create the basis for a stable, broad-based government.

            The meetings, at the level of ambassador and assistant secretary of state, took place off and on throughout the 1990s and were held in Washington and New York, in Kandahar and Kabul in Afghanistan, and in Peshawar and Islamabad in Pakistan.

            That courtship persisted even after Osama bin Laden was blamed for the deadly attacks on two US embassies in Africa in 1998 and after US forces bombed his Afghanistan base.

            At the same time, a similar private-sector effort was underway. A US-led consortium sought to win the Taliban’s backing for a Central Asian pipeline that would carry oil and gas through Afghanistan. As part of that diplomacy, Taliban members were entertained in Houston and hosted at the University of Nebraska in a bid for their support. Though ultimately unfruitful, those contacts signified what US officials and others had hoped would be flexibility in the Taliban, a cast of fervent clerics and hardened war veterans who first emerged in Afghanistan in 1994.
            Raphel met Taliban officials a half-dozen times.

            Snip ~
            In part, the ambiguity revolved around the prospect of building a pipeline that would run roughly 1,000 miles from the Caspian Sea region through Afghanistan to the Indian subcontinent, a proposal that Raphel described as a “fabulous opportunity.” Two groups vied for the project: Bridas, an Argentine oil company, and a US-Saudi consortium led by Unocal.
            The Caspian Sea. Soebarka, and I’ll leave it at that. But I believe you know what I’m making reference too.

            From Robin Raphel’s wiki –


            Raphel began her career as a lecturer in history at Damavand College in Tehran, Iran. She first worked for the United States Government as an economic analyst for the CIA from 1973 to 1975. She then moved to Islamabad, Pakistan where she worked for the U.S. Agency for International Development as an economic/financial analyst. She then joined the State Department.

            Upon her return to Washington, DC in 1978, Ambassador Raphel worked in the Office of Investment Affairs in the Economic and Business Bureau; on the Israel Desk; Staff Aide for the Assistant Secretary for the Near East and South Asian Affairs Bureau; and as Special Assistant to the Under Secretary for Political Affairs. In 1984 she was assigned to the U.S. Embassy in London where she covered Middle East, South Asia and East Asia, and Africa. She served as Counselor for Political Affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Pretoria (1988–1991), and at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi (1991–1993). In August 1993, she was named the first Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs. She retired from the state department in 2005 after 30 years of service.

            She has been the Ambassador to Tunisia and Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs during the Clinton administration. In this capacity she managed U.S. relations with the newly formed Taliban government in Afghanistan. She also served as a member of the Iraq Reconstruction Team during the Bush administration.[2]

            Raphel has been the senior Vice President at the National Defense University in Washington.

            The Obama Administration appointed Robin Raphel as a member of the team of the late Richard Holbrooke, the Special Representative to the Af-Pak region.


            btw, who introduced Barry to the DNC convention years ago, the Clintons. 2008 election was a sham on the American people. I could go on, but I don’t have time, and I need too hold my tongue on what I truly want too say…

          • Exactly Miri, Ann also. Did you catch Robin was once Ambassador to Tunisia? Also I hope you had a chance to also go to the FR link and read the Congressional testimony from Rep. ROHRABACHER. Clinton had the chance too snuff out bin laden and taliban way before 9/11 and DID NOT take the opportunity to do so. Actually he helped laden and the talabin the chance to grow and spread.

      • Document Release on Boston Bombing Saudi “Person of Interest”: “armed and dangerous” “terrorist designation” Visited the White House many times?
        But Wednesday, Beck presented new information after a Blaze source directly read the original event file, and multiple government sources with knowledge of the case and files contributed their knowledge.

        Napolitano could serve “jail time for perjury,” Beck declared, and she will be “the first to fall.”

        Here are a couple of new points, as Beck related them:

        The event file created for Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi indicated he was “armed and dangerous”
        Alharbi was admitted into the country under a “special advisory option,” which is usually reserved for visiting politicians, VIPs, or journalists. The event file cover page indicates he was granted his status without full vetting.
        One of the first excuses given by law enforcement when confronted about Alharbi’s pending deportation was an expired visa. But according to the event file, his visa is good until 11-NOV-2016.
        The event file indicates he entered the U.S. on 08/28/12 in Boston, MA but says he is a student at the University of Findlay, in Findlay, Ohio. He has an apartment in Boston, and doesn’t seem to have been a full-time student in Ohio.
        When a file is created in the system, the author(s) are notified via email when it is accessed and given the email address of the person accessing, so there is a record within the government data system of who was there. It was amended to remove the deportation reference, then someone later went in and tried to destroy both the original event file and an amended versions. We won’t say who at this time, but copies have already been made.
        The original event file was reviewed and approved by two high level agents – Chief Watch Commander Maimbourg and Watch Commander Mayfield.

        Here is the text of the cover of the event file, which reveals still more:


        DOB 03/12/1993

        Subject is an exact match to NO FLY TPN# 1037506192. Derogatory information reviewed by W/C Mayfield and CW/C Maimbourg was found to be sufficient to request Visa revocation. NTC-P is requesting revocation of Foil# e3139541. Subject is inadmissible to the U.S. under INA 212(a)(3)(B)(i)(II). SAO was not completed prior to Visa issuance. Subject is currently in the United States, admitted F1 student, at Boston POE on 08/28/2012. Subject is a student at THE UNIVERSITY OF FINDLAY, 1000 NORTH MAIN STREET FINDLAY, OHIO 45840-3695. Subject has One (1) prior event #1648067, Fins promoted, NT record in place, No scheduled found at this time. [Emphasis added]

  6. Kentucky~Derby ….So WHO is really winning the ….RACE???
    All makes me sick …. look how fast & far this have traveled!


    • They won’t hit the Derby. The sheiks all run horses in it. It would be like soiling their own beds.

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        I am on a roll. Right, you don’t sh.. where you live.

      • Yeah and Bush’s accountant owns some race horses too, Farrish…and he’s from BEESVILLE Texas too. The queen has even bought some horses from him. The derby, race horses, that’s prime real estate there.

    • Yeah, I thought I posted the You Tube video of it somewhere today. Kind of removes all doubt, doesn’t it? “Allahu Akbar”. That means “workplace violence” in Arabic, doesn’t it?

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Sorry. I’m sure you did. I returned to discover I had left my computer on. I was logged into wtpotus all day, apparently. So, when I was able to sit for a minute I caught up.

        • Rosemary Woodhouse

          It means F U, stupid, compliant, lazy Americans who allow us to turn most of you into the terrorized and zombiefied while we receive special treatment! It means works like slaves, like serfs so I can collect your money! ARRRRRRGH!

          Later, peeps.

        • S’alright! 🙂

      • It is does! How insightful Miri!

    • Rosemary Woodhouse

      Oh and everyone had better work their bollocks off more, more, more to support these enemy combatant ass…..Apparently, the entire family was on WELFARE. ENOUGH!!!

    • Way to go, Rosemary!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the passion; it will refuel those of us that are getting weary. Thank you for carrying our burden, today.

    • Notice they didn’t show her face though, just a voice. There’s not proof that was her saying that.

  7. The BIGGEST story of the day, of the week, of the month, of the year, and potentially the biggest story of this country’s history (yes, bigger than 9/11) and Drudge runs with the Bird Flu. . . . . .

  8. T T may have been pushing drugs? while the little wife worked…
    as this all moves.. “FORWARD” …as no one claims his… “body”?


    • They have to come up with some acceptable explanation other than that the Saudis were funding him, so “drug dealer”. Last night on FOX, everybody was asking where they got the money to pull this off, and where did Tamerlan get the money for his Mercedes and his 7 month trip to Russia?

  9. http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-boston-bombers.html
    The only evidence of these two guys doing anything has been created by a bunch of government wonks using the psychie of the gullible , emotional american people. Not one shread of evidence that these guys did anything except grainy photos, faked photos,private hidden secure interviews and ever changing stories till one sticks.

    NOtice even the new story, that they recieved some sort of state welfare and appeared to be rich….but they don’t describe what kind of welfare (I suggest a government CIA or FBI paycheck) and now everybody can pile on the disdain for these little Chechnean terrorists. These guys were so bad, so blatant about their wanting to kill somebody, they didn’t even bother to go unnoticed in plain view on various videos. And Russia was so worried about them yet they don’t seem at all worried what their parents have been up to in Russia all this time, while they’ve gone to Muslim mosques, worn the garb. You really think Russia is that dumb…could be Russia and Us have the same agenda….fear mongering for control.

    Russia didn’t hesitate in the Chechnean civil wars to rub these muslim’s faith in their faces….wrapping the dead terrorist in pig skins before being buried, and yet this Chech family lives on inthe us and Russia…..FOR WHAT? THey most likely are assets for the CIA us or MoSSAD or Russian intelligence.

    Biden’s comments about this bombing should tell us what this administrations agenda is. Find his comments…the words speak volumes (sorry , didn’t save them, but you should be able to find them pretty easily).

    Be sure and read the comments after this blog…..there are hundreds of blogs like this, it’s not conspiracy any more,it’s right in our faces and yet people can’t believe an elite bunch of people from all sides have any reason to want power so much that they would use the american people and anybody else, hide what they please from us and their own congress any time it serves their purpose.

    So the next EVENT that comes and things quickly don’t add up, or the story changes umpteen times till the public has their next EURIKA moment, that they think they’ve figured out what’s going on, then begs the government for more, we should assume from the start that there is a sinister purpose and nothing else. They know there’s hardly anything we can do, without being labeled a conspiracist or whacko, but more and more people are getting it and they know things are spinning out of control and will not sustain for ever. THat’s why while they’ve got Obama , the stooge for a second term and are working feverishly now towards more worldwide control. This government needs us to fear something besides itself, and terrorism works wonders.

    It’s very likely we’re supplying Chech terrorist groups or a cell to help take Syria…For PUTIN maybe? Anytime we’ve got foreigners going to school in the US paid for by our gov. some way, we should be suspicious…..just like Osama, Benadeir Bhuto, Ali Khan..and the Tsarnaevs….(who’s paying little Tsarnaev’s hospital bill’s in that ISRAELI run hospital?) I suspect his mother and father will have a controlled “government spinned” conversation with the FBI and we’ll believe it verbatim and that’ll be next weeks talking points,

  10. The April 25th postings on this article today are amazing.

    Wow. Wow and Wow!

  11. the left overs….. like a rolling-stone! …$$$MoneyTalks$$BIGTIME


  12. Photos…. 2 see…. tsarnaev …. let the stones…roll


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