Happy Father’s Day (Open Thread) (Blogging the FL Eligibility Hearing Live)

USA Founding Fathers

Happy Father’s Day to all the wonderful fathers (grandpas, great-grandpas, great-great grandpas, godfathers and foster fathers) in the United States of America, but especially to those dads among our writers, researchers, readers, and commenters at WTPOTUS.   

Enjoy your day.  Where would any of us be without dear old Dad? 

h/t Bridgette for the picture of our Founding Fathers, to whom we remain forever grateful.

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146 responses to “Happy Father’s Day (Open Thread) (Blogging the FL Eligibility Hearing Live)

  1. got tricked… on left side open….. Author’s Blog

  2. Michael Savage writes to Orly….. funny…

    Michael Savage to Taitz: did you know that Obama lived with illegal alien, who snorted cocaine.

    Taitz to Savage: Wrong, Obama IS the illegal alien, who snorted cocaine!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

  3. June 18, 2012

    “Peter Boyles Show”

    “Joel Gilbert joins Peter for a phone interview to talk about his film, “Dreams from my real father.””

    [audio src="http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=1&podcast=fullshow_boyles&selected_podcast=06182012peter8am_1340031400_15173.mp3" /]

  4. Mitt said today has not ruled out Rubio. Is he or isn’t he a nbc? I am confused. Thought he was not. Did I send this facebook message to Mitt misinformed?
    “Don’t take for granted the Republican voter and the “Anybody but Obama” mantra. One thing and one thing only will hand the race over to Obama and that is if you VP someone who is NOT a natural born citizen defined as born on US soil and of two US citizen parents AT THE TIME of their birth. Marco Rubio’s parents were not citizens at the time of his birth. If he is picked as your running mate all the debate within the party will be whether he is or is not. And those many who were taught “born or two citizen parents” will not vote outside of their conscience all in the name of “anything but Obama”. Surely you know of “Justigate”? and how in the last four years the meaning has been propagandized as nbc meaning the same as native citizen? We will NOT blatantly vote against the Constitution or for someone that blatantly picks someone not eligible and expects us to vote the Party because you have us by the balls and the option of not voting for you is Obama. That would be sad. Don’t throw the election. Respectfully submitted.

    • He is not. His parents were not US citizens when he was born. First it was reported that he was not being vetted. Then Romney said he is being vetted, but it’s also said that Rubio’s been given no paperwork to fill out, which is typical, apparently, to do if one is being vetted. Vetting might include finding out that he’s ineligible because his parents weren’t citizens when he was born.

      If he chooses Rubio, it will be sad (not to mention DISASTROUS for our country) and he WILL be throwing away the election. Enough will NOT vote for Romney/Rubio, as you said, out of conscience and certainly who wants to be a hypocrite after opposing that other non-NBC?

      Rubio can wait for another day; he’s young enough. They can propose a Constitutional amendment and do it the right way. If the people decide to amend the Constitution, then so be it; but any amendment should REQUIRE long continous years within the U.S., raised as a U.S. citizen, perhaps born to people who were at LEAST LEGAL residents. Simple citizenship is NOT the standard.

      Rubio is NOT A NBC. Besides which, if they do choose Rubio, the lamestream will be all over Romney for “pandering” AND they will drag out all those allegations of corruption. I say, ALLEN WEST for VP.

    • Well said, I heard this today also that Rubio was being vetted. However, as Miri said, that should include determining if he is eligible under the Constitution. After all, this person must be able to take the place of a president in case of an emergency and he should be suited for the job just as much as the person at the top. Rubio speaks well – but what other executive abilities does he have? How much foreign policy experience does he have? How have his leadership abilities been honed? He is an attorney so knows the law. Will he show how much of a patriot he really is by turning down a position that he is unqualified to hold? That will show real character if this man, knowing he is not an NBC, is able to say so. For that he will gain respect and admiration. In this way he can bring lawfulness back to government.

      Don’t talk about the Constitution unless you are willing to follow it! Rubio was unable to say whether Obama’s amnesty for the illegals was unconstitutional – he said he will have to study the law and that may well be his conclusion, but he didn’t want to say until then. Yet he went on to say that Obama bypassed Congress with this policy mandate and it will cause more problems than it solved.

      I don’t want wishy-washy, I want decisiveness, experience, intelligence, decorum, and knowledge. Knowing right and wrong, having principles that one lives by, and telling the truth will keep people in good stead with themselves and others. I expect it and demand it. I, for one, have had enough of political correctness that is determined by the Left. Mean what you say, and say what you mean! To hell with the Left who twist and take out of context whatever is said no matter how it is said.

      That leads me to Alan West whose words are refreshing to hear and whose background makes me believe he would always stand up for the USA and its citizens. He is an excellent mentor who young blacks and whites should be proud to emulate and follow in his footsteps. He has the qualities of a leader IMHO. When he called out the number of Communists and Socialists in Congress – he secured my vote for VP. He was willing to stand alone and has. He wasn’t one to stand idly by and watch the Progressive Black caucus spew their venomous Anti-American communist/socialist agenda without standing up against them.

      After seeing the poor excuses that “lead” government (astray) now, his presence would serve as an example of someone that epitomizes the best of men of any race or creed. Those that fell under the Obama spell would see through Alan West a significant contrast between good and evil when compared to the anti-American Ismista Obama and Holder and their regime. He could be a healer in more ways than one. Besides that He IS a Natural Born Citizen!

      • Bravo. Love West, too. With West as VP and a rumor put out about Mitt having a heart issue, the Republicans would win the election.

        • Who is spreading the heart issue for Mitt? I haven’t read that one yet. Do they want Mitt to show his medical records? That should be next, and yet to ask Obama for his, they won’t. They’ll say he showed his in 2008. They got a one page report of basic information the last time around and about 1,500+/- pages of McCain’s to read. 1,500 to 1 page! If we got more on Obama, would it show tests for AIDS, cocaine usage, a deviated septum? The last time I think it was a Marxist physician that wrote the letter declaring him healthy.

          Could we get a psychiatric test done too – especially on Obama the narcissist? I would like to demand it. I think it would deem him of below average intelligence, with psycho neurotic tendencies bordering on psychotic. In other words, dangerous. Is there anyone who thinks Obama’s weekly meetings where he determines who is on his “Kill List” is normal? It appears he has an obsessssion with killing people. Exactly who is keeping him in check? The NY Times author who wrote that article about his kill list thinks this is a sign of leadership and strength. I think it is the sign of a very sick man who should be removed from office now and not later.

          I am using the word demand quite often because we need to DEMAND rather than ask. Asking has gotten us zilch. From what I can tell all the Congressmen should be fitted with hearing aids! They aren’t covered by Obamacare (they got a free pass from that monstrosity) so they can get those needed hearing tests. At the next Townhall – ask them if they’ve had a hearing test. I like the idea – it does send a message doesn’t it? I am sick of trying to hold their feet to the fire – we need to go after their ears! Make it a mandatory requirement that they pass an annual hearing test!

          • duplicate.

          • No one is spreading it yet. I mean, if West is chosen as VP people will vote for Mitt because OF West and more so if they think Mitt will kick the bucket and West will become president. So, a Mitt-West ticket would win by a landslide if it looked liked Mitt would not go eight years, thus the rumor of heart trouble. Sort of like if Paul was the nominee and placed West as VP. All those mouthing it would be the destruction of our country and Israel’s if Paul was elected would give up and vote for him because they would figure Paul is old enough to croak and the country would be left with West.

            So, a Mitt-West ticket would be great and have potential to win, but to clinch enough votes to override all the rigging the Regime will be doing in the elections, make it Mitt-Romney with the rumor Mitt has health issues. Sick strategy? Yes. But brilliant, to say the least. You can bet if a rumor did spread like this, the MSM would spend hours defending Mitt and debunking it because of the extra votes it would garner.

          • Speaking of Presidents’ health issues. Someone needs to blow up a zillion pics of Obama and show his EYES. All the drooping lids, and check for dilation of pupils or whatever the eyes do when on heavy meds. Look for other traits of prescription med use . For as open as we are about mental health in this country most do not want a president and the “red phone” to be influenced by depression meds and/or anxiety meds. Most do not want to hear their president is on prozac or zoloft or valium or or or or. I am convinced his use can be shown with a series of still photos, enlarged, from many of his speeches. Since he has been on the campaign trail, though, he seems to be “clean”. Albeit, crankier.

          • Another good one, Bridgette!

        • Hey, double posted a comment and don’t know how that happened 😦 …. dump the duplicate? thanks.

      • Excellent! That’s worthy of its own post. I agree 1000000%!

  5. Jack Cashill:

    “Biographer admits: There was no Obama family”

    “In all the talk about David Maraniss’ new book, “Barack Obama: The Story,” the chattering classes seem to have overlooked the most significant of Maraniss’ revelations, namely that the story on which Obama based his 2008 candidacy is “received myth, not the truth.”

    What Maraniss has laid bare, perhaps without meaning to, is a journalistic scandal of historic proportions in which, alas, he himself has played a part.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/biographer-admits-there-was-no-obama-family/

    • “Maraniss definitively states that “[Dunham] and Obama and the infant never lived [at 6085 Kalanianole].” There was no room. The senior Dunhams shared the house with the Pratt family. The Pratt daughter “has no memory of the Dunhams’ daughter bringing an infant home.” … What Maraniss does not say is that he missed the Seattle hegira story himself in the 10,000-word Washington Post article he wrote on the eve of the 2008 election.

      He was hardly unique. No one in the mainstream media wanted to blow the whistle on the fraudulent family fable that got Obama elected president.”

      WHY NOT?

      He continues: “The New Yorker’s David Remnick chose to overlook it in his 2010 Obama bio. The New York Times’ Janny Scott overlooked it in her 2011 bio of Obama’s mother. The Boston Globe’s Sally Jacobs overlooked it in her 2011 bio of Obama’s father, and the Times’s Jodi Kantor overlooked it in her 2012 book on the whole extended family.

      Worse, conservative writer Dinesh D’Souza chose not to report the fraud in his disingenuous best-seller, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage.” As D’Souza explains, Obama was “his father’s son.” Dunham served largely as the vehicle through which the absent Obama exercised his will on the young Obama, she being “Obama Sr.’s first convert” to anti-colonialism.

      D’Souza should have known this was nonsense. Conservative writer Michael Patrick Leahy had broken the Seattle story as early as 2008 in his book, “What Does Barack Believe.” It was accepted knowledge in the conservative blogosphere by 2009.

      What Maraniss has laid bare, perhaps without meaning to, is a journalistic scandal of historic proportions in which, alas, he himself has played a part.”

      • You can’t see the entire pages on Google preview, but it clearly says that when SAD was 17, she lived in a “converted hallway” in her parents’ “wing” of the house that they SHARED with the Pratts. Ann’s bedroom was this hallway, outside of her parents’ bedroom. So there definitely wasn’t room for BHO Sr.

        Since SAD did live with them, it makes sense she’d be listed for a time as living there, but NOT as Ann Obama! The Pratt girl apparently said (and she must have been living there, too) that Ann DIDN’T bring the baby home, at least according to the WND story. So where was the baby?

        This Pratt woman MUST know more. If she knew about the baby and that it was a scandal, then where did Ann go when she left the hospital? I still lean towards wondering (if she was the mom) whether or not she took off for a home for unwed mothers in WA OR perhaps in Canada, near her aunt’s house, or maybe just IN Canada. Planned to give him up for adoption, as was stated in the INS papers. Then for whatever reason, she kept him and went right to Seattle and registered for school. Who knows? But this Pratt woman MUST know more. She had to have SEEN Ann pregnant, if they lived in the same house.

  6. HEY FOLKS!!!!!! No SAD Annie…. &….No BABY…BHO or BARRY BOY?

    Biographer admits: There was no Obama family!

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2897205/posts

    • “Although Maraniss talked to many of Obama Sr.’s friends, none of the credible ones ever so much as saw him with Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham.

      One Obama friend, a Cambodian named Kiri Tith, knew the senior Obama “very well.” He had also met Ann through a different channel. “But he had no idea,” writes Maraniss, “that Ann knew Obama, let alone got hapai (pregnant) by him, married him, and had a son with him.”

      Only Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie claims to have seen the pair together during the presumed courtship stage, but he is not close to credible.“Maybe I’m the only one in the country,” Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times in December 2010, “that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’” This was pure lie, no other word for it.

      http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/biographer-admits-there-was-no-obama-family/

    • We were waiting for Jack Cashill to counter Maraniss’ book and stories and he is doing it! I don’t remember the name of Kiri Tith – but he was a friend of BHO Sr. Kiri knew BHO Sr. very well yet knew nothing about dear old Ann? One wonders if he is confusing Ann Dunham with the Filipino, Anna Chin (Lame Cherry’s name), or another Anne that he met later on.

      Love the first couple paragraphs attributed to Maraniss. The words of Abercrombie are going to bite him in his big fat a@@! Well,they already did when his radio pal Evans, told the truth and then tried to backtrack. First the lying sack Abercrombie was there when BHO Jr. was born and the next time he didn’t know him until he was age 5 or 6! That’s a huge difference from infant to 6 years! How about never?

      “The Evans interview with KQRS cast further doubt on whether Abercrombie had any personal knowledge of Barack Obama until long after Obama was an infant.

      “I asked him [Abercrombie] when do you remember Barack, your first memory,” Evans recounted on air. Abercrombie told Evans his first memories of Obama were when Obama was playing in a T-ball league, around 5 or 6 years old. “I go, ‘What about before that?’ and he [Abercrombie] goes, ‘Well, I really don’t remember him [Obama] much before that,’ which I thought was very odd,” Evans said.”

      Obama birth certificate ‘egg on face’ for guv

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=255769#ixzz1C8YnsIFW

      To bad for Abercrombie that his pal’s conversation was taped by C-Span. I guess Evans didn’t get the memo soon enough. I wonder how that friendship is now after Evans found out his “trusted” friend lied.

      • Too funny. I remember the name Kiri Tith but no details and was prepared to ask everybody else what they remember about him. I wonder how Tith knew Ann by a different channel? That’s a promising lead to pursue; it’s these little slips that sometimes give us big clues.

        How could Abercommie be the only person IN THE COUNTRY who was “here” (wherever here is) when the baby was born? Well, maybe if he was born in some other country and Abercommie was along for the ride and it’s such a small, obscure country that nobody from there has ever come to the USA.

        What about Babs Nelson and the hypothetical maternity ward resident? Everyone else is conveniently dead. The Pratt’s may or may not be. Their daughter’s still living and she remembers no baby. If “Ann” had EVER lived with her parents, then you’d think Ms. Pratt would have at least seen her pregnant, regardless of whether she ever lived there WITH the baby. It sounds as if she remembers the Dunham’s “daughter”.

        So this leads us to wonder if the supposed Polk Directory listing Ann Obama with her parents is even for real. Why would her parents, 50 years ago, lie to the Polk Directory people? Or, depending upon how they got their information, why would some other public record list Ann Obama living with her parents (as a married woman, mind you, so the timing is a consideration)? I wonder how Polk got their records? From telephone directories? Public records of marriage licenses? Which came first? The birth announcement or the Polk listing or are BOTH faked, one to support the other? Of course, if you were going to fudge it, you’d put HIS name there, too, wouldn’t you? Could it be that she simply used her parents’ phone number and she lived somewhere else? (FMD’s place?)

        • Stan and Mad were living with the Pratt’s because Stan allegedly worked for the Pratt Furniture Co.! That makes their relationship even closer than would be ordinary and so, it seems likely, one would expect the Pratt family to have contemporaneous memories of SAD and her little BLACK baby. btw, Kiri Tith is one of those people pictured in that party photo, where BHO Sr. sits next to “Anne/USA”–the ASIAN-looking Anne. Renee first mentioned Pratt Furniture here.

          • From left to right: Arnie Nachmanoff, (Former Under Secretary of the Treasury, and host), Suzie Nachmanoff (host), Barak Obama (Kenya), Bob Ruenitz (Former Senior State Department official, USA), and Dorothy (USA).

            Larger.

            Bottom Photo: Both photos were taken in Hawaii in 1961 at Arnie and Suzie Nachmanoff’s house at Pearl Harbor). From left to right: Kiri Tith (then Cambodia), Kitaichi (Japan), Marda (USA), Ichiro (Japan), Suzie Nachmanoff (Host, USA; husband Arnie, later an undersecretary of the Treasury), Dave (Finkelstein, USA), Kunio (Japan), Bob (USA)[Robert Ruenitz, later a State Dept. official], Rajapakse (Sri Lanka), Barak Obama senior (Kenya), Anne (USA).

      • Continuing here despite a new open thread. Figured I’d keep it together. Anyway, found another cover up/discrepancy in his new book: Maraniss says that SAD’s divorce from BHO Sr. was “order”ed on March 5, 1964 but that is NOT TRUE. Her marriage to Lolo was given as March 5; the divorce papers say they were FINALIZED on March 20. You’re not divorced until it’s finalized, right? She was a bigamist, if we believe these records.

        Now there’s another page where Cindy Pratt says, “it was a scandal and a half” that Ann had a black baby. So who to believe? Whether elsewhere in the book she says Ann never lived there with her parents, I don’t know; but seems she was aware of the black child (unless she’s making things up or is “mistaken” and having constructive memories. Might agree that Ann didn’t live there because it’s already known.)

  7. Duplicate post removed.

  8. Dr. Ron Polland | June 18, 2012 at 6:28 pm |

    “SCOTUS reaffirmed that the precedent has always existed and was put into practice with the election of James K Polk, the first, fully natural-born citizen to be elected President, because he was born in North Carolina after the adoption of the Constitution to two parents also born in North Carolina. ”
    ___________________________
    Hello Dr Ron,
    Good to see you here.

    Was this reaffirmation published in the court records, celebrated in the news, mentioned in Congress? If so we have a record somewhere stating that President Polk was, for the record, the first Natural Born Citizen nominated and elected to the office as intended. That would make our case. Agreed?

  9. Miri… does this help ? .. (open above at)..freerepublic 6/19/12 11:01am
    post # 52 ..6/2012 10:08pm it says on one of SAD’s passport renewals
    she put the date of marriage to Soetoto days before her divorce from
    BHO Sr was filed… said she forgetful and in a hurry?

    • I have it in the O Timeline. There’s a link there to the actual pages from the divorce. I don’t remember if there are links to the passport files there, but we might have those links on the “links” tab. We’ve noted before that she put different dates on the passport renewals about when she supposedly married Lolo. It’s another of those things they lie about. For good reason, if it’s true that she married Lolo before the divorce from BHO Sr. was final, but others think there was no marriage and she just went through a divorce because they had TOLD INS that BHO Sr. was married to her in order to perhaps let him be able to stay. In that case, she then wanted to hurry and marry Lolo so HE could use her as the anchor that let him stay in the USA. Who knows what’s true?

  10. I wondered how the Brits might look at information about Obama written by Maraniss and today an article was written. Basically, the Brits were charged by Obama and family ( Sarah) for torturing Obama’s grandfather who was part of the Mau Mau rebellion. Well guess what – the Brits are exonerated and Obama and Grandma Sarah marked as Liars. Surprise, surprise! The composite family is falling apart just like Obama.

    Obama’s grandfather tortured by the British? A fantasy (like most of the
    President’s own memoir)

    June 19, 2012

    A new biography of Barack Obama has established that his grandfather was not, as is related in the President’s own memoir, detained by the British in Kenya and found that claims that he was tortured were a fabrication.

    ‘Barack Obama: The Story’ by David Maraniss catalogues dozens of instances in which Obama deviated significantly from the truth in his book ‘Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance’. The 641-page book punctures the carefully-crafted narrative of Obama’s life.

    One of the enduring myths of Obama’s ancestry is that his paternal
    grandfather Hussein Onyango Obama, who served as a cook in the British Army, was imprisoned in 1949 by the British for helping the anti-colonial Mau Mau rebels and held for several months.

    Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah, Onyango wife, who is still living, is quoted in the future President’s memoir, as saying: ‘One day, the white man’s askaris came to take Onyango away, and he was placed in a detention camp.‘But he had been in the camp for over six months, and when he returned to Alego he was very thin and dirty. He had difficulty walking, and his head was full of lice. He was so ashamed, he refused to enter his house or tell us what happened.’

    In a 2008 interview, Sarah Obama claimed that he was ‘whipped every morning and evening’ by the British. ‘They would sometimes squeeze his testicles with metal rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together. He was lucky to survive. Some of his fellow inmates were mutilated with castration pliers and beaten to death with clubs.’

    But Maraniss, who researched Obama’s life in Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii and
    the mainland United States, found that there were ‘no remaining records of any detention, imprisonment, or trial of Hussein Onyango Obama’. He interviewed five people who knew Obama’s grandfather, who died in 1979, who ‘doubted the story or were certain it did not happen’.

    ~
    This undermines the received wisdom that Obama’s grandfather was a victim of oppression, an assumption that has in turn fuelled theories that Obama harbours an animus towards Britain based on a deeply-rooted rage about the way Onyango was treated.

    John Ndalo Aguk, who worked with Onyango before the alleged imprisonment and was in touch with him weekly afterwards said he ‘knew nothing’ about any detention and would have noticed if he had gone missing for several months.
    ~

    Dick Opar, a relative by marriage to Onyango and a senior Kenyan police official, gave what Maraniss judged to be the most authoritative word. ‘People make up stories,’ he said. ‘If you get arrested, you say it was the fight for independence, but they are arrested for another thing. ‘I would have known. I would have known. If he was in Kamiti Prison for only a day, even if for a day, I would have known.’

    Maraniss also casts a sceptical eye on Obama’s grandmother’s tales of racism in Kansas, doubting whether she was ever chastised for addressing a black janitor as ‘Mister’ or ridiculed for playing with a black girl.

    Obama himself, Maraniss finds, deliberately distorted elements of his own life to fit into a racial narrative. The author writes that Obama presents himself in his memoir as ‘blacker and more disaffected’ than he really was.

    ~
    A tale of the father of Obama’s Indonesian stepfather Soewarno Martodihardjo being killed by Dutch soldiers as he fought for Indonesian independence turns out to be ‘a concocted myth in almost all respects, Maraniss finds. [DOES HE GIVE WTPOTUS credit for finding that name?]

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161817/Obamas-grandfather-Stanley-Armour-Dunham-tortured-British.html#ixzz1yIM2f5zy

  11. Hi everyone long time lurker here. I found a strange coincidence when i accidentally noticed the birthdays of Timothy Geithner and Barry Obama. Please disregard this if this has already been noticed,

    Timothy Geithner..August 18, 1961
    Barry Obama..August 4, 1961,

    Indonesia is the common denominater here among other things.

    Thanks
    Kate

    • Welcome, Kate. If we noticed that or mentioned it before, it’s always worth repeating or reminding us. I’m not sure that I remember that Geithner was born the same month as Barry. Hmmm. So much in common, those two. Barry’s mom worked with Tim’s dad and all were in Indonesia together (how cozy–with Genevieve Cook, too, Barry’s future “white girlfriend” if you believe the tall tale).

      Another thing I was reminded of recently, and I don’t remember whether I mentioned it here, so I’ll point it out again:

      Neil Abercrombie AND Barbara Czurles-Nelson are both from Buffalo, NY, both moved to Hawaii around 1959, and BOTH are important fabulists supporting the fabulous, fictional “wholesome story” about Barry’s birth in Hawaii.

      • Add to the list of folks in Indonesia: The McCauleys. The husband worked with SAD in Indonesia, had the office next door, and also supposedly went to U of HI with her. The wife, Georgia, ended up being Barry’s and Maya’s hanai mother after SAD died. She also is supposed to be a close friend of SAD’s. She is a bigwig in the Democrat party in the PHILIPPINES and supported Barry in 2008.

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