New York, New York. Is the Thrill Gone?

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After the terror attack of 9/11/01, the people of this country rallied around the city and state of New York and their people. Now they have elected a governor who, like fellow Democrat Barack Hussein Obama II, seems to despise and feel disdain for many of his fellow citizens.  Is this going to be Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Phil Robertson moment?  Will Cuomo get the Paula Deen treatment?

A few days ago, Cuomo said something that’s completely outrageous for any governor to say, but especially for the governor of a state that collects a lot of money from tourism and businesses via taxes.

What did Cuomo say, when speaking about the Republican Party?  [emphasis added to quotes]

Their problem is not me and the Democrats; their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.

This disdainful, tone-deaf statement is reminiscent of what Obama said in 2008, referring to small-town Pennsylvanians and rural Midwesterners:

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

At least Obama hasn’t said (yet) that such people have no place in the USA.  Want to bet on whether or not he’s thinking it?

Cuomo believes that if you are “right to life” then you have no place in NY and are an extremist.   (Who doesn’t believe in the right to life, by the way?  That’s something that We the People hold to be “self-evident” truth.)  If by “right to life” Cuomo means anti-abortion, then he’s talking about roughly half the population; and these folks are all extremists, in Cuomo’s opinion.

Who exactly is “anti-gay” in Cuomo’s universe?  Most certainly, he means Christians, like Phil Robertson, who believe that homosexual acts are sinful and also disapprove of gay “marriage” (not gay people).  Such folks also are extremists, in Cuomo’s opinion.  That would be roughly half the population of the USA, who oppose gay “marriage”.

What about those who are “pro-assault weapon?”  Well, since those who oppose banning “assault weapons” represent roughly 42% of the population, then all of those folks are extremists, too, in Cuomo’s opinion.

Cuomo believes that what he calls “extreme” conservatives have no place in New York.  This is so sad for the state of New York because we “extreme conservatives” may just take him at his word and

BOYCOTT NEW YORK!!!

If we have no place there, then why should we spend our very hard-earned dollars in that state?  Why should we visit New York City or the Finger Lakes region or Cooperstown or any other tourist trap in the state of New York?

We have no place there, according to their governor.

By now Cuomo has already realized the intemperate (read stupid) quality of his remarks and tried to walk them back via the typical lame excuse that he was misinterpreted or taken out of context (but read his very clear and concise quote again, above).  If you read the entire transcript, it sounds even worse when he says,

Well if you are right to life, that is your opinion and that’s your religious belief, that is fine but that is not the opinion of this state, which 70% are pro-choice in this state. …

So if you happen to be among the 30% of New Yorkers who oppose abortion, then you also are not part of (only the opinion of?) “this state.” Hmm.  So Cuomo makes outcasts of 30% of New York citizens, as well.

There’s “no place” for diversity, or tolerance of the conservative minority, in New York state.  That’s one minority that the Democrat Party despises: conservatives.  If you’re an “extreme conservative” (which is the same thing as being conservative), then you’re disenfranchised in NY state.

Another gem from the full statement:

70% of this state wants intelligent gun control.

In case you’re an extreme conservative, I’ll spell it out for you:  Cuomo says in so many words that unless you agree with 70% of New Yorkers on gun control, then you are not “intelligent”.  In other words, you’re a dummy, like those “bitter” people who Obama says “cling” to their guns out of frustration.

Finally, there’s this:

… 70% of this state about, is now pro-gay marriage so figure out who you are and figure out if you are of a [sic] extreme conservative philosophy and if you can survive in this state. And the answer is no.

Got it?  Talk about the politics of exclusion.  If you are not pro-gay marriage, then you hold an “extreme conservative philosophy” (along with half the US population) and you simply cannot “survive” in that state.  Cuomo says so. Why even try?

Give up and get out.  Don’t bother to even try to engage in politics, in the marketplace of ideas. You’re doomed, defeated, and disenfranchised by the governor of your own state before you even begin!  You’re not  even “New Yorkers”, according to Cuomo. Just get out of NY because there’s no place for you.

Cuomo still doesn’t get it. Tone deaf.

Glenn Beck had a great response:

The fundamental basis on which our country was built was on robust free speech. The very first right that the Founders of this nation enshrined in our Bill of Rights was freedom of speech because we created this country to escape the yoke of tyranny. When freedom of speech is chilled, we cannot openly express our ideas, and without competing ideas there can be only tyranny.

If a man cannot be free in his thoughts, can a man be free?

If a nation cannot tolerate all thoughts, can a nation be free? Is not our very strength as a country measured on its ability to tolerate and encourage all ideas?

Do we not all lose something when any one of us is excommunicated from society for our deep-seated opinions and beliefs?

So Gov. Cuomo, we must ask in light of your comments, would you build a tyranny here in New York? Would you stand against your constituents and blot them out into the darkness merely because you disagree with them, or because it serves you or your party politically? Would disenfranchised peoples have ever gained their freedoms in this country were it not for the right to free speech, and the pluralistic and truly diverse society that free speech facilitates?

Our organization creates jobs for hundreds of people in your state, and provides news, opinion, entertainment and a helping hand for millions of people across this country. Are our contributions, tax dollars, and genuine goodness as citizens not welcome here?

We respectfully request an answer on whether there are two classes of citizens.

But Gov. Cuomo, it’s not us that you should worry about, because as we have seen, every time this kind of speech is taken up by those in power, eventually history demands an answer.

Donald Trump, Ed Cox, and Rob Astorino also weighed in.  Cox called upon Cuomo to apologize. Don’t hold your breath.  He’ll probably say he’s sorry you were offended.

Extreme conservative Sean Hannity is threatening to fold his tent and leave New York for more welcoming pastures:

Now I want to tell you something – I was born and raised in New York. … I want you to know that and I can’t wait to get out of here. I really can’t. I don’t want to pay their 10-percent state tax anymore. I live in the second-highest property taxed county in the entire country in Nassau County. I can’t wait to sell my house to somebody who wants it. I can’t wait to pay no state income tax down in Florida or Texas. I haven’t decided yet, but I’m leaning Florida because I like the water and I like to fish. …

Gov. Cuomo, I’m going to leave and I’m taking all of my money with me – every single solitary penny. … And by the way governor, because I work here – there’s a whole bunch of people that work for me and benefit because I do two shows. And I guess maybe some of them will be out of work, governor. I’m sure you’ll take care of them.

What say the PEOPLE of New York in response to the statements by their governor?

Do 70% of them support him on this?

Do 70% of New Yorkers believe that 30 % of their fellow state citizens and 50% of their fellow US citizens have “no place” in New York state?

Is our love affair with New York over?

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131 responses to “New York, New York. Is the Thrill Gone?

  1. January 21, 2014

    “Lib Actor Robert De Niro Praises Dear Leader: “He’s Not A Schemer, He’s Not Devious”…”

    Actually, he’s both of those things, and then some.

    Via Politico:

    Actor Robert De Niro has some advice for the president: Pick your battles.

    “He’s a guy who means to do the right thing, he has to pick his battles, but his heart is in the right place,” De Niro told Fox News’s “The O’Reilly Factor” in a segment with Jesse Watters that aired Monday.

    “He’s not a schemer, he’s not devious,” the actor said.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/lib-actor-robert-de-niro-praises-dear-leader-hes-not-a-schemer-hes-not-devious/
    ===============
    January 20, 2014

    Garth Kant:

    “Liberal icon urges Obama impeachment”

    “WASHINGTON — Worse than Richard Nixon. An unprecedented abuse of powers. The most un-American president in the nation’s history.

    Nat Hentoff does not think much of President Obama.

    And now, the famous journalist says it is time to begin looking into impeachment.

    “Within a few months after he was elected, I wrote a column saying he was going to be the most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had,” he said.

    Hentoff said people he’d known for years told him to stop being so negative and to give Obama a chance.

    “Well, we’ve given him a chance. I understated the case a little.””

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/liberal-icon-urges-obama-impeachment/

    • Hey, Gordo!

    • WARNING: Choking hazard. Do not eat or drink while reading De Niro’s quote.

      “He’s not a schemer; he’s not devious.” OMG. Talk about deaf, DUMB, and blind.

      A lib promoting IMPEACHMENT? I agree. Finally something we can agree upon. What is this, a RIFT in the DemoncRAT party? How will they survive? How will they overcome in 2014? News NOT a 11. Here’s more dissension in the DemoncRAT party:

      http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-says-marijuana-no-worse-than-alcohol/1833913.html

      “U.S. President Barack Obama says he thinks using marijuana is less dangerous than consuming alcoholic drinks, but has told his daughters he does not advocate pot smoking.” (Do as I say, not as I do/did.)

      http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/patrick-kennedy-president-obama-marijuana-102412.html?hp=l8

      “Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy says President Barack Obama is wrong about the dangers of marijuana, saying that the drug today is not like what the president smoked in his youth. …

      “I think the president needs to speak to his NIH director in charge of drug abuse,” Kennedy said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” on Monday night. “[She] would tell the president that, in fact, today’s modern, genetically modified marijuana, so it’s much higher THC levels, far surpass the marijuana that the president acknowledges smoking when he was a young person.”

      Kennedy said government research shows that marijuana is harmful.

      He is wrong when he says that it isn’t very harmful, because the new marijuana is not the old marijuana,” Kennedy said. “We need to have presidential decisions made based upon public health and the sound science that the federal government’s invested in.” …”

      OMG. A lib talking about not wasting taxpayer money that we’ve “invested”. How times have changed.

      Even in dissension, they make excuses for Obama and add caveats. NO marijuana is harmless, Choom-gang dope or GMO dope.

      Gynecomastia, anyone? Lung cancer, anyone? (This is a real puzzle; libs hate tobacco but love mary jane.) Impostence? Congenital defects? Learning and memory deficits? Lower IQ? Testicular cancer? Some evidence here: http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

  2. More intolerance of diversity from the leftists: A Latina actress booted from a production of “The Vagina Monologues” because she openly supported a Tea Party candidate who opposes ILLEGAL invasion: http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/01/19/actress-out-of-san-francisco-production-after-endorsing-tea-party-candidate/

  3. You have to know your math and be a real enthusiast to read and comprehend this article, but the bottom line is:

    THEY LIE with statistics and graphs when they CREATE the MYTH of man-caused global warming: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/just-hit-the-noaa-motherlode/

    And they do it with the “investment” of our tax money in their “research”.

  4. Its a snow day. Wish we could build our 2016 Cabinet and its Presider.

    I miss Hail To The Chief.
    Okay, I’ll wear the damn flag pin, but I can’t strut to that.

  5. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542974/FBI-officers-went-Adam-Lanzas-home-2004-ask-hacked-two-layers-government-security-mom-told-hes-computer-whiz-whos-just-testing-himself.html

    “New reports have revealed that the FBI had suspicions about Adam Lanza eight years before he committed the second-deadliest mass shooting in American history.

    The FBI reportedly went to the Newtown, Connecticut home that he shared with his mother Nancy in 2004 and asked about his computer activity but left before even sitting down with the then-12-year-old.

    Newsweek reports that FBI agents went to the family’s Yogananda Street home because they had tracked Adam online after he hacked through two layers of government security.

    Nancy Lanza, who would later be killed at the hands of her son, spoke to the officers and convinced them that there was no need for further questioning.

    ‘He’s a computer whiz,’ she told the agents, according to Newsweek.

    ‘Adam was just testing himself.’

    The newly released report about the home visit is just one in a growing number of missed clues in the lead up to the December 14, 2012 shooting that left 26 students and his mother dead before he turned the gun on himself. …”

    Missed clues or how they found him in the first place?

    The NSA is full of former “hackers” who now hack illegally for the gummint. How else might they be useful?

    • Oh my, this raise do many questions. Was it a twelve year old kid or was it the mother or was the father living at home them or was it the brother. Was it the twelve year old kid or was someone saying it was thd twelve year old kid snd he spiraled downhill knowing he was blamed and being watched for someone who was suppose to love crimes. Or was he blamed and watched and he saw them or felt them watching him and then told he was paranoid about people following him; and of couers appropriately medicated. Or was he a genius that FBI let continue to hack for them? What did he end up knowing? What research testing was done on him? Ya think snow den knows?

      • He may know. I thought it interesting, to say the least. Can’t remember when the couple split or when the bro left home. Mom was involved with that guy who was “into” security, remember? Wasn’t that guy also involved in the technology club the kid was involved with at school? What else was interesting was how the newspaper noted that Adam railed against the “system” that would make robots out of all the children via drugging them, among other things, probably, with Xanax. Sounds about right, from what we see with all these sudden mass shootings.

      • not love ‘crimes’ but love him…..

  6. Watch this:

    • Is it a matter of perspective?

      I’m not familiar with NY City, so can’t speak to where these buildings were in relation to each other.

  7. Red Pill’s new post fits this post to a tee:
    http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/creator-endowed-unalienable-right-to-life/

    RIGHT TO LIFE. Not an “extreme” view.

  8. all thinking CONSERVATIVES…. pack UP & GET OUT!!!
    as Sean Hannity…. is going Fishing soon … & CUOMO can shove IT!
    BUTT” since CUOMO trys to rid NY of Opposing Voters… he JUST
    may WIN … Re-Election? the OBAMA WAY! … 4-sure!

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/hannity_to_leave_ny_after_cuomo_says_conservatives_not_welcome.html

  9. Trey not giving up. 🙂

  10. Another OBAMA JOKE 2 ya ALL! O never drove a Car ??? except
    when he DATED ….. michelle with the street exposed…
    so he could NOT B BUSTED…or held for harming a person.. as I recall…
    he would never Buy BOOZE or CIGS…as again…HE would MOOCH…
    off any & all around him since… he was so COOL…or was HE NOT
    a legal.?? … DOOBIE/MJ.. & young driver.. is MURDER! in 2014….

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/hey_barack_pass_that_doobie_to_andrew_will_ya.html

    • It’s just another way to enrich his friends. First, legalize it. Then let companies make profit off it. Then tax it as exorbitantly as they tax cigarettes and redistribute the wealth and goodies to his peeps. THEN, let the lawyers sue the hell out of the companies and get a bunch of huge settlements–billions of dollars–which will be poured by the tort lawyers back into the coffers of the DemoncRAT Party. What’s not to like?

    • Speaking of the NSA and “parallel construction“, what are the odds of this, do you think?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/21/bob-mcdonnell-corruption_n_4639480.html

      Former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) and his wife, Maureen, were indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday on a combined 14 counts related to public corruption stemming from thousands of dollars in gifts and loans received from a top political donor. They could both face prison time.

      The indictment comes after a long series of revelations in The Washington Post about how the governor and his wife took gifts from then-Star Scientific CEO Jonnie Williams. Federal prosecutors accused the governor of taking some $135,000 in gifts and loans from Williams, in addition to “thousands of dollars in golf outings.” …

      Bob McDonnell delivered an emotional appeal on camera Tuesday evening, flanked by his wife and children. He contended that he had been “falsely and wrongly accused” by federal prosecutors. President Barack Obama would have to be prosecuted if the same standards were applied to him, McDonnell said.

      “The federal government’s case rests entirely on a misguided legal theory, and that is that facilitating an introduction or a meeting, appearing at a reception or expressing support for a Virginia business is a serious federal crime if it involves a political donor or someone who gave an official a gift,” McDonnell said. “The United States Supreme Court has already rejected this radical idea and for good reason: Because if it were applied as the law of the land, then nearly every elected official, from President Obama on down, would have to be charged for providing tangible benefits to donors.” …”

      Ah, but, you see: DemoncRATS aren’t held to the same standard. What was he thinking to believe otherwise? http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/bob-mcdonnell-chris-christie-create-double-trouble-for-gop/ Yep. It’s an election year, so they MUST. DESTROY. REPUBLICANS. It’s a warning, too, to others who even contemplate challenging DemoncRATS and the NWO.

      It matters not if SCOTUS already ruled otherwise. It matters not if McDonnell, in the end, is exonerated. ALL THAT MATTERS is to destroy his potential career trajectory NOW. Kick the can down the road. DAMAGE HIM NOW, and who cares if later it comes to nothing?

      From the first link: ” … we learned from Reuters reporters this week that a secret branch of the DEA called the Special Operations Division – so secret that nearly everything about it is classified, including the size of its budget and the location of its office — has been using the immense pools of data collected by the NSA, CIA, FBI and other intelligence agencies to go after American citizens for ordinary drug crimes. Law enforcement agencies, meanwhile, have been coached to conceal the existence of the program and the source of the information by creating what’s called a “parallel construction,” a fake or misleading trail of evidence. So no one in the court system – not the defendant or the defense attorney, not even the prosecutor or the judge – can ever trace the case back to its true origins.”

      Basically it means they illegally troll through private, Fourth-Amendment protected “stuff” belonging to ordinary people, without any warrant or probable cause, and when they find something to use, then they go the parallel construction route, which means they RECREATE an evidentiary path AS IF they were following typical police leads. So they get the subpoenas and warrants for the information that they ALREADY KNOW exists (because NSA trolled for it, gave it to them, let them read it) and then they pretend that they found the evidence via usual police work.

      This is EXACTLY WHY we declared independence from KING GEORGE, so he couldn’t just go on fishing expeditions in everyone’s home. Nope. We’re NO LONGER SECURE IN OUR “persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures … .” This is a police state.

      The DemoncRATS will use their new-found, unconstitutional powers to crush anybody who threatens to oppose them. Christie. McDonnell. Whoever. Do you think otherwise?

      btw, read the first link. SALON. EVEN the progressives are outraged about this police state. Only problem is, THEY PUT US HERE. Thanks to them, OBAMA is president. Do you see him stopping this? It’s not bloody likely. It’s the gift that keeps on giving for ANY wannabe dictator. How many did Ayers say will have to go to the gulags or worse, if they won’t be reeducated?

  11. Jason Kissner:

    “Barack Hussein Soebarkah?”

    “Ann Soetoro and Loretta Fuddy appear to have one very odd thing in common: both have been linked to the Subud cult, which originated in, of all places, Indonesia and was founded by the Javanese Muslim Muhammed Subuh.”

    https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/an-insoluble-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-130985

    • I was messing around with searches last night and I got this person Alice Chastain@nidesand last night. The weird part of that was she was somehow tied to Bahasa Indonesia. The best I could figure is she may be a teacher in some school or college in Indonesia. Couldn’t read most or couldn’t get most things to show me anything,but that Nidesand name is what really intrigued me. Wish I could figure this out.Try her name without nidesand,because all you’ll mostly get is Ruth Nidesand stuff. It’s just weird the two connections Nidesand and Indonesia.

      • She’s a teacher/professor right now at the Shantou University in the Guandhong province….that’s the province that Mark n. lives in…how nice. This university is solely funded and was built by Li Ka Shing….remember him? His son was head of the EAST WEST center at one time. I just find it fascinating that she , ms. Chastain was from Georgia…is a linguistics person and a business consultant also. Why would she have Nidesand attached to her name at some point? You think Mark honed his Mandarin skills with her help?

      • It’s all in the family.

    • Ok. I’ll put my new finds here. Start with this story, linked from the Kissner article. Find the names of her associates there: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/magazine/mag-24Obama-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

      Thus begins her association with Subud, imho:

      “… By January 1968, Ann had gone to work as the assistant to the American director of Lembaga Indonesia-­Amerika, a binational organization financed by the United States Information Service and housed at the U.S. Agency for International Development. She supervised a small group of Indonesians who taught English classes for Indonesian government employees and businessmen being sent by U.S.A.I.D. to the United States for graduate studies. It would be an understatement to say she disliked the job. “I worked at the U.S. Embassy in Dja­karta for 2 horrible years,” she wrote to a friend. …

      Two years later, at 27, Ann was hired to start an English-language business-communications department in one of the few private nonprofit management-training schools in the country. The school, called the Institute for Management Education and Development, was started several years earlier by a Dutch Jesuit priest with the intention of helping to build an Indonesian elite. Ann trained the teachers, developed the curriculum and taught top executives. In return, she received not just a paycheck but also a share of the revenue from the program. …”

      Associates from her days in Jakarta:
      http://www.subudpnw.org/main_documents/SPNW_congress_minutes_20130921.docx

      “Minutes: Subud PNW Regional Board Meeting and Congress September 21, 2013

      Subud Greater Seattle House

      Attendees:
      Regional officers: Robina Page, Chair; Sherwin O’Bar, Treasurer, Melanie Branchflower, acting secretary.

      Regional board: Fayra Teeters, Portland; David Lynch and Elisha Gullinxson, Seattle; Michael DuBois, Bellingham/Skagit Valley; Halimah Brugger, regional representative.

      Regional helpers: Insiah Caspers. Halimah Bellows-Rochfort, Marius Harold, Benjamin Boyce, and Emile Ward.

      Other representatives: Lucia Ryan, Susila Dharma USA; Daniel Stralberg, Subud USA; Marston Gregory, World Congress team. …”

      Mentioned in that story about Stanley Ann Dunham: the two Halimahs.

      ““Sec­retaries would spend hours just dialing and redialing phone numbers trying to get through,” Halimah Brugger, an American who moved there in 1968, told me. Westerners were rare, black people even rarer. Western women got a lot of attention. “I remember creating quite a sensation just being pedaled down the street in a becak, wearing a short skirt,” Brugger said. Letters from the United States took weeks to reach their destination. … That same year, on Aug. 15, 1970, shortly after Barry’s ninth birthday and during what would turn out to be the only visit by her mother, Madelyn Dunham, to Indonesia, Ann gave birth to Maya Kassandra Soetoro at Saint Carolus Hospital, a Catholic hospital thought by Westerners at that time to be the best in Jakarta. When Halimah Brugger gave birth in the same hospital two years later, she told me, the doctor delivered her baby without the luxury of a stethoscope, gloves or gown. “When the baby was born, the doctor asked my husband for his handkerchief,” Brugger said. “Then she stuffed it in my mouth and gave me 11 stitches without any anesthesia.””

      This particular Halimah’s relative (presuming her husband) is Sufyan Brugger, an interpreter who is also connected to Subud, at least as a donor. Halimah E. Brugger is 71; would you think her birth name was Halimah? She’s the lady in blue, second from right.

      The second Halimah:
      “… In Indonesia, Ann was a striking figure who did not go unnoticed. “Maybe just her presence — the way she carried herself,” said Halimah Bellows, whom Ann hired in the spring of 1971. She dressed simply, with little or no makeup, and wore her hair long, held back by a headband. …”

      Note how this Halimah worked FOR Ann and provides the backstory for the infamous settee (bogus) family photo. She held her long hair back with a headband. Right.

      Halimah Bellows-Rochfort, as noted above, is connected to Subud in SEATTLE. See this:

      “From Halimah Bellows:
      Hello colleagues, professional and business associates, associates from my different walks of life, friends, family and former clients: A very happy New Year to you all and all the best for 2014.

      Here is a copy from my press kit about my career quest cards – now an app. …”

      Surely it’s the same woman; I found no photos of her, though. She’s 69. She’s a “regional helper” for Subud in Seattle. (At that link, note the sheer number of people with Muslim-sounding first names but “American”-sounding last names; e.g. Hadiyah Carlyle, Rachman Cantrell.)

      Now this one is really interesting. It recounts an interview that was interpreted by Sufyan Brugger, the other Hadiyah’s kin. (He’s only 65, according to people searches, so if he’s her husband, he’s younger than she; I find no photos of him, either.) http://www.subudvoice.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Memories_of_MasSudarto.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,0,843

      This holy Subud dude discovered the G-spot! Who knew? alfy, I know you’re going to love this one. All the details! (Not X-rated. Just a bunch of local color.) I believe it concerns a holy Subud compound in Cilandak (Jakarta) where permanent ex-patriots lived, and “Mas Sudarto Martohudojo, who was of course one of Bapak’s most respected and best-loved helpers. …” It also talks about name changes. There’s reference to John Bennett.

      No connection I found yet to Subud, but Jeanette “Benji” Bennington is connected to the East-West Center: http://www.eastwestcenter.org/research/research-information-services/oral-history-project/benji-bennington

      Note, too, the date of her alleged marriage to Lolo: 1964. Our O Timeline has links to the contradicting stories.

      • Again, I’m reminded of how these stories talk about Ann teaching Bahasan, teaching teachers who teach languages, teaching BARRY his ENGLISH lessons. Why would he need English lessons? This is a child who allegedly grew up in Hawaii until age 5 or 6, presumably speaking ENGLISH. He attended Noelani school where I presume they spoke ENGLISH. He spoke English, one presumes, with his grandparents and other family. Then he’s off to Indonesia, as the story goes, where he learns what? NOT BAHASAN, no. ENGLISH lessons with his mother who dragged herself home after a long day at work to correct Barry’s ENGLISH homework. Homework she gave him because presumably they weren’t teaching English in that school in Jakarta that he attended and where he learned that the Muslim call to prayer was the loveliest sound on earth. Why would a child whose FIRST LANGUAGE is English have to study English so diligently and so hard RIGHT BEFORE he’s sent “home” to Hawaii to live with his “grandparents”?

      • alfy, there is so much to read in that Bennington link. In the first part of her oral history, she mentions that she met Barry’s “stepfather”. More names for us. I should have made a spreadsheet.

      • In that first link, the story about Ann’s time in Indonesia, there’s a part about when Barry returned to the USA alone, in 1971. Remember the story about how Ann was a friend of the co-pilot? It suddenly came to me that perhaps as a favor he flew the child, sans passport of any kind, to Molokai or some such place from which he could then move on to wherever.

      • This is all so amazing. It like looking in to a mirror with a mirror …

        I am looking forward to reading this tonight.

        Interesting about the pilot friend, too….

        Have a great day WTP — and do check out RP’s latest post if you get a chance. Its an excellent read!

  12. Stand Your Ground in Florida continues… if barky had a prosecutor, it would look like this guy:

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/22/florida-republican-gets-secret-service-visit-after-calling-for-obama-to-be-hanged/

  13. Did he get the Ocare?? 🙄

  14. Hello everyone,

    Did you guys read this over at Birther Report?
    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/01/blockbuster-csu-criminology-professor.html

    • We read it at American Thinker, not at Birther Report. We’ve already covered all that information here on our blog (is that a surprise)? 🙂 I have some more on this topic. New info I found after reading the article at American Thinker and doing more research. I’ll give it to you as soon as I finish reading up on it. But it’s new (so far as I know) and ANYBODY is welcome to the information. I’d rather some criminology professor take on these people than little old us. Know what I mean? We report PUBLIC knowledge that we find. Anybody who wants to take it to another level is more than welcome to our “work product”. Credit not required (but it’s nice when we acknowledge to each other where something was first “reported”).

      • Miri, I can’t wait. I hope somewhere in your conclusion you’ll be able to concur that the documents we study may not even belong to the current occupant… thinking, the persona, but not The Person.

        just wondering if that could be the universe-shattering comet coming in March… 🙂 would blow my mind to pieces… not. 😉

        • I hope I didn’t oversell my finds. I just wanted to let you know I found a few more Indonesian connections of Ann’s who ended up in Seattle with the SUBUD organization there. Now what are the odds?

          This Subud supplies us the infrastructure for the narrative, if you get my drift. Again, what are the odds? Indonesia, Hawaii, SEATTLE, Chicago. No Norman, OK. No Yuma, AZ. No Savannah, GA. Nope. Always the same nexus: Indonesia, Hawaii, SEATTLE, Chicago. Why is that?

          • Before i go further…first Miri, this might clear up the reason Fuddy as HDOH director was ‘acting Mayor’ of probably just the leper community there. Because the original edict was to be administered by the hDOH.
            Darn it didn’t paste. i’ll be back, then I too found another interesting lady who discovers the cure for leprosy…the medicine…as a chemist and also a later student at hawaii college and studying at the Hospital where leprosy patients were administered to on the mainland at Kalihi. Her name was Alice Agusta Ball…a NEGRO lady born 1892 IN SEATTLE! Aguy just recently got her the recognition she deservedd…the guy was studying Aftrican Americans of Hawaii. his name (funny) Stan Ali. !
            I’ll be back….

          • Leprosy spreads at an alarming rate among the native Hawaiians, so on January 3, 1865, King Kamehameha V signs An act to Prevent the Spread of Leprosy. The execution of the law is put in the hands of the Board of Health and authorizes the setting apart of land specifically to isolate and treat leprosy patients. That should help explain why department of health has some jurisdiction there even though Maui has miniciple jusriitction over all Molokai.

          • Surely, you jest, Stan Ali sounds the same as Stanely or Stanly. Reminds me of the book/author jokes with titles/authors such as “Brown Spots on the Wall by Who FlungPoo”

          • I know Hoot…I sometimes feel like someone’s just feeding this stuff to me and making it up as they go along. But I do try to see if there’s more than one source on stuff. Just Uncanny ain’t it?? Stan—-Ali.

        • Notice how many of these Subud people are in the right place at the right time to supply the backstory to the “reporters” or “journalists” or “biographers”. The narrative comes FROM THEM. I remember researching Ikranagara before, too. Couldn’t find any link to Subud, but when they get new names, how do we ID the person? They use their maiden names, too. Deliana used her mother’s maiden name! They use hyphenated names. They use only their married names. Elizabeth Bryant was mentioned. She goes by Liz and even Lisa, if it’s the same woman. We’ve discussed before how the people connected to Barry seem to have an awful lot of aliases. All the better to confuse you with, my dears.

    • btw, glad to hear from you kitty!

      • Thanks, and have been reading stuff off and on, but keeping up with http://www.netc.com/ and reading all the various writings about the radiation problem, which is truly horrible. I’m not an environmentalist at all, but from what I’m reading and studying, then it’s best probably not not eat any fish that comes from the Pacific at this time, and there’s already tons upon tons of stuff (literally) that’s been dumped into the ocean since the tsunami in 2011. That nuke plant had several core meltdowns, and it was built over a huge fault and over an underground river. Therefore, all that nuked, poisoned water is flowing into the ocean day after day after day for several years, and it’s still flowing as we speak.

        Just ask me, I have some information on this. It’s bad, guys and gals. Really bad, and if one more bad earthquake hits over there, good-bye Japan, which is very possible.

        Now our military guys who were sent over there on the Reagan as a rescue mission, those people, women and men, who are in their early 20s even, are horribly sick and were not told about the dangers of the radioactive plume. And they not only went into the plume, but they drank desalinated water that was radioactive and ate there, well, many are extremely ill. As in cancer, testicular cancer, thyroid cancers, ovarian cancer, lung disease and cancer, and there is a man that has become paralyzed and losing all body functions that is military. It’s just massive. TEPCO covered all of this up. It’s really bad.

        I’m not against nuke energy, but here’s the thing, it should have never started until in the very beginning, what do we do to get rid of the nuke wastes first? That should have been solved in the beginning. I say put coal out there for energy, oil and gas, etc. From studying what I’m seeing, I say forget the nuke until it can be handled and not kill mankind in the process.

        Regardless of what some other people are saying, there is NO SAFE radiation, period. At least from some of these wastes that are man-made nuclear material. For example, take Stronium-90, which mimics calcium in our bodies, it will go straight to the bone. It’s man-made, and a hot particle, at least one if you breathe it in, can cause bone cancer. Others attack various organs in the body. Plutonium is man-made, and it’s a monster, which takes a very minute amount to damage you or kill you. There’s more, and I think that it’s Americium is the worst of the worst, but I haven’t studied into that one so far. These say in our bodies for 30+ years emitting radiation. One hot particle, which is what areas in Seattle breathed in when the first radiation wind plum came in several days after the earthquake and tsunami happened.

        Sorry, don’t mean to carry on about this, but it’s very worth keeping an eye opened on what is going on and don’t count it as trash and a lie.

  15. Well, I think that Birther did link that at the bottom of the article. Could be at the top as well, I just don’t recall now.

  16. It changes every time I click it. 😀

  17. In comments at ORYR.

    Saska Mare:

    “This photo is the MOSLEM founder of the Subud Cult (in Indonesia). His name is Mohammed Subud. DOES HIS FACE REMIND YOU OF ANYBODY?”

    https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/an-insoluble-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-131095

  18. Oh, my goodness, everyone, sorry,but have you seen the pictures of Mohammad Subud at Birther?

    http://s1331.photobucket.com/user/saskamare/media/SoebarkasDaddy_zps0961ff2c.jpg.html

    Then go to Birther in the comments. BO almost looks exactly like him, almost a spitting image.
    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/01/video-gop-candidate-calls-for-obama-hanging.html

  19. I’m sorry, don’t know how to paste the photos here. I have them in a Word doc now.

    • https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/an-insoluble-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-129825

      That’s where we saw his photo and remarked on the resemblance. Anybody notice that Barak and Bapak are only one letter apart? The birther report comments mention this link: http://subuh.com/ If you sit through the Bapak photo presentation (gotta get through the spiderweb psychedelic show first), there are other photos of the guy who resembles the One.

      • I tried watching that, and I didn’t know there would be other photos, so may have to try again.

      • Interesting exercise I tried. I first searched google images for a simple pic similar to Bapak’s sitting down, with same pose and expression. This is a classic photo op, almost standard. Funny, there are none of Barry, which as it is such a basic, standard pose it is weird to not find one. None with mouth closed and looking at the camera. All tilted, laughing, grimacing, talking, whatever, but no standard pose. So, that is observation number one. Number two is I can put any photo of anyone’s face in online aging site and the pics age….except for Teh One’s pics. They come out waxed but not aged. Hahaha. So much for comparisons.

        • No photo of Barry in the Abe Lincoln pose? That is odd. Do you have a link to that online aging site? I haven’t seen that. It’s no surprise that they won’t age Barry. THEY are everywhere and ever vigilant. Obots, I mean.

        • the …. TWINS …..

          • Sure. I remember that guy. He won the Barry lookalike contest. Note that no black dude won! It perfectly illustrates what you said (they all tend to look alike) and what alfy said (lots of Indonesians look alike). 🙂

          • ~ DWD at birtherreport …. I’ve been saying this for about 2 years.
            Obama is not ”black”, he’s Indonesian posing as a Black man. He has the physical appearance of someone from a tribe on the Island of Java. Many of these Indonesian males can pass for ”Black” if you don’t look closely.

            When he was in high school he discovered that being Indonesian didn’t earn him any street creds….no one was scared or impressed by him being Indonesian.

            Most Americans are unaware that Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world….Sunni Muslim. Obama wears the Sunni Muslim ring on his left hand & has for over 30 years.

            He changed his name & morphed into being a Black man by the time in arrived in California. check this photo, the man in the photo is a well known Indonesian photographer:
            http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/19/xin_

          • Ha, ha…..Ears are not attached the same; one has lobes; one don’t.. 🙂

  20. Something to think about. 😦

    • Something better to think about: The Pro-Life MOVEMENT is getting LARGER and YOUNGER, meaning that the newer generations GET IT. They who have been preached to about the value of life (like baby seals, puppies, polar bears, etc.) by progressives have figured out (maybe because of social media where their twenty-or-thirty-something friends and relatives post PHOTOS of their sonogram images) that unborn babies are LIVING creatures deserving of the RIGHT TO LIFE, too. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/photos_yesterdays_right_to_life_march_in_washington_dc.html Heartening photos of the march on DC yesterday. You probably won’t see them in the news.

      I like this one:

      “With more than 60% of Americans now asserting that abortion is morally wrong, perhaps the tide of adult selfishness, resulting in 55 million child lives aborted, is turning. Maybe with this rising generation, we’ll discover that unconditional love for children isn’t dead after all.”

      Thanks to the progressives and PRO-ABORTION, PRO-DEATH and DUTY-TO-DIE folks like Barry Soetoro Obama, we now have 55 MILLION fewer people who would have contributed much to our society. To put it in big-government terms that progressives should understand: These aborted Americans would have been the taxpayers that the progressives now say will HAVE to be replaced by amnestied illegal aliens, because we need them to support those on Social Security.

      Most of the 55 million ABORTED BABIES would have been “people of color.”

      Preemptive Genocide. It’s what Barry and HILLARY are for.

      • http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/01/23/new-poll-62-americans-see-abortion-as-morally-wrong-84-support-restrictions/

        “The new Marist Poll sponsored by the Knights of Columbus reveals more than ever that an overwhelming majority of Americans are not satisfied with the current status quo on abortion.

        A staggering 84 percent believe abortion should be restricted. In this group belongs those who would restrict abortion to the first three months of pregnancy (28%), the cases of rape, incest (33%), or to save the life of the mother (12%), and those who would never permit abortion under any circumstance (11%).

        The survey surprisingly found that 58 percent of strongly pro-choice Americans would support such limits.

        Regardless of whether Americans think access to abortion should be legal or not, 62 percent said that abortion was “morally wrong”.”

        http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/01/23/96330/

        “Yesterday, the temps went below freezing in Washington, D.C. With the stinging windchill, it felt like single digits.

        But thousands came from across America and marched through slush and snow in the annual March For Life, for the right to life of the unborn.

        All while their president, who had voted three times for infanticide by voting against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act and whose signature Obamacare forces Americans to subsidize abortion, sat in the White House.”

        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/22/white-house-statement-on-abortion-policy/

        Statement by the President on Roe v. Wade Anniversary

        Today, as we reflect on the 41st anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, we recommit ourselves to the decision’s guiding principle: that every woman should be able to make her own choices about her body and her health. …”

        Not someone else’s body, though.

        Amazing photos here:
        http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/01/21/just-a-clump-of-cells/ Just one of them:

        Above dolphin mother made her choice (at conception) and she then later on CHOSE LIFE for her wee babe.

        • what Beautiful pictures. Life Matters. Health is secondary.

          • “Health” in quotes. It’s a very, very rare situation where the baby threatens the woman’s LIFE. In such a case, then BOTH are doomed, because baby is dependent upon mother for life. If her life goes, so goes the baby’s, so in such a case, then saving a life is better than losing two; but it’s vanishingly rare, especially in this day and age.

  21. So we have a Different approach …pick A …pick B ???
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/23/official-bettendorf-clinic-ends-abortion-surgery/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

    & IF YOU WANT “YOUR BABY” U CAN KEEP “YOUR BABY” PERIOD!

  22. So people like Wendy Davis are plain wrong. 😦

    • He would. The story goes that Cuomo feels that “Wilhelm”/De Blasio is a threat to him so he’s doing a screeching LEFT turn to try to get to the left of Herr Vilhelm. Sieg heil!

    • Now that I think about it, we can just extend our boycott to New York CITY, too. Vilhelm’s going to be driving businesses and the wealthy out already, with his Marxist, redistributionist policies, so we can put the icing on his cake. Then WHO will pay for all his social benefits? Don’t you just loved this? The more they talk, the deeper they dig:

      “de Blasio responded, “The first point is, we represent our people and Governor Cuomo is right and I believe I’m on firm ground in saying our people, the people in New York State and the people of New York City reject extremists views against a women’s right to choose and in favor of the proliferation of guns in our society. And I stand by that 100 percent.””

      So now, if you don’t agree with Vilhelm and Herr Cuomo, then you’re not even AMONG “the people of New York City,” even if you live there. The PEOPLE of New York City, “our” people, does NOT include you. So what are you? LESS THAN HUMAN? We’ve seen where that mentality has led the human race before: Slavery, the Holocaust, genocide.

      Dehumanizing human beings simply because they don’t march in lockstep with Nazi wannabes.

  23. de- BLASTER…. so many anger ISSUES …. & we …. WONDER Y ?

    Dad was going through physically & mentally a lot.. He was an alcoholic,
    & my mother & father broke up very early on when I came along, at 7

    & I was brought up by my mother’s family-that’s the bottom line-the
    de Blasio family. In September 2013, de Blasio revealed that his father committed suicide in 1979 while suffering from incurable lung cancer.

  24. Cuomo 56- was married to Mary Kerry “Kennedy” 54- 1990- 2005′
    with 3 girls. But since 2005′ .. he’s now with Sandra Lee – 47-
    His Dad an Italian Immigrant was a Workaholic… so he mostly raised
    his brother Chris 13 years younger.. BOTH NOT much DADDY’s love

    http://www.biography.com/people/andrew-cuomo-21024931

  25. On Topic
    this from the one who lied about the Three Branches of the US Government

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/schumers_plan_to_abolish_the_tea_party.html

    Here’s the Lies from 2 years ago. can’t pay for Seniors or Military (the only 2 things the Government is responsible for. infernal irony)

    Listen to this ~ and at 1:11 be informed as to the Constitution’s Three Branches of Government…one has been eliminated…

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