What Did the Pope Not Say?

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A Jesuit-trained blogger, fluent in both “native” English and Spanish, translated anew Pope Francis’s recent publication Evangelii Gaudium. It’s not surprising that many have concluded that the “official” translation distorted the Pope’s meaning, especially with regard to “trickle down economics.”  JMG wrote:

The Pope’s message has been very significantly altered by a calamitous English (and ONLY the English) translation. 

JMG suggests that “mistranslation” was done on purpose to seemingly give the Pope’s blessing to progressive policies (in my opinion, to Marxist, redistributionist policies as imposed by governments).

JMG helpfully re-translated the exhortation to show exactly what the Pope did NOT say.  Below are a few examples from paragraphs that are quoted by progressives. They’re copied here so that readers can more easily understand exactly how the Pope’s words were distorted.  Please go to the link to read the entire translation.  I look forward to JMG’s promised analysis of what the Pope DID say.

The original translation:

53. Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.

Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “throw away” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.

JMG’s translation:

53. Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say no to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. It should no longer be tolerable for food to be thrown away while people are starving. This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes to a game of competition and “might makes right”, where the strong feed upon the weak. As a consequence of this situation, great masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without prospects, without any way out.

Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods which can be used and then discarded. We have started a “disposable” culture which is now being promoted. It is no longer about the phenomenon of exploitation and oppression, but something new. With exclusion the belongingness to society is affected at its roots. One is no longer at the bottom, at the periphery or powerless; rather, one is outside. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the discards, the “leftovers.”

The original translation:

54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

JMG’s translation:

54. In this context, some defend “spillover” theories which suppose that all economic growth, for which a free market is [most] favorable, by itself brings about greater equity and social inclusion in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve confidence in the generosity of those who wield economic power and in the sacralized mechanisms of that ruling economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that egotistical ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without warning, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion for others, [of] weeping at the anguish of others, and [we end up] being disinterested in helping care for them, as though all this were an alien responsibility which does not concern us. The culture of wellbeing anesthetizes us; we lose our composure if the market offers something we have not yet purchased; and in the meantime all those lives truncated for lack of [economic] possibilities seem a mere spectacle, which in no way alters us.

The original translation:

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

JMG’s translation:

55. One of the causes of this situation is found in the relationship we have established with money, since we passively accept its predominance over ourselves and our societies [Kindly note the plural, “societies”; it is key to understanding he is talking about human values and not specific, individual systems.] The financial crisis we are traversing has made us forget  the fact that it originated in a profound anthropological crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) found a new and ruthless version in the fetishism of money and the dictatorship of an economy lacking a [human] face and a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

The original translation:

56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule.

JMG’s translation:

56. While the earnings of a few are growing exponentially, those of the majority lag behind the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance stems from ideologies which defend the absolute [Emphasis JMG’s.] autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation [Emphasis JMG’s.]. From there, they reject the right of states, entrusted to watch for the common good, to exercise any [Emphasis JMG’s.] form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and sometimes virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. [Emphasis JMG’s.] To all this we can add widespread corruption and egotistical tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The zeal for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything in order to yield increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the absolute rule.

If you read the two translations separately, you immediately sense the subtle (and at times not so subtle) alterations in meaning.  Nuance is everything, as is context.  Obviously, the original translation was not word for word; someone intervened to “editorialize”.  For example, consider this sentence from the original, followed by JMG’s translation: [my emphasis added]

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

In this context, some defend “spillover” theories which suppose that all economic growth, for which a free market is favorable, by itself brings about greater equity and social inclusion in the world.

Quite a difference. This link goes to the original Spanish text of that sentence.

En este contexto, algunos todavía defienden las teorías del «derrame», que suponen que todo crecimiento económico, favorecido por la libertad de mercado, logra provocar por sí mismo mayor equidad e inclusión social en el mundo.

Run that through Google translate, and you get this:

In this context, some still defend theories of ‘spill’, which assume that all economic growth, favored by the free market, manages itself cause greater equity and social inclusion in the world.

Three other translators produce this:

In this context, some still defend the ‘spill’ theories, which assume that all economic growth, favoured by the free market, achieved by itself result in greater equity and social inclusion in the world.

In this context, some still defending the theories of the “spill”, implying that all economic growth, favored by the freedom of the market and achieved by itself cause greater equity and social inclusion in the world.

In this context, some of them still defend the theories of the “effusion”, which suppose that any economic growth favored by the freedom of market, achieves to provoke for itself major equity and social inclusion in the world.

The way words are translated from one language to another DO make a difference.  You can see for yourself the difference between “justice” and “equity”, can you  not?  Justice implies government action.  “Inclusiveness” is not the same as “social inclusion.”

All translations but the official one, include the caveat “by itself,” as in assuming that

all economic growth … by itself causes greater equity and social inclusion in the world.

You have to ask yourself why the official translation left that phrase out.  A tiny change, but a big change in meaning.

JMG links to an article at Breitbart, which points out that JMG

has also re-translated some of the expansive document’s other sections, including a paragraph that may not sit well with those in the Church who prefer to let others–governments, for example–get their hands dirty in caring for those in need (bottom of page 163 of the Spanish PDF):

207: Any community within the Church, to the degree it attempts to go its own tranquil way without without creatively making sure … of cooperating efficiently … in helping the poor to live with dignity and including all, also runs the risk of [self-] dissolution, however much it may talk about social issues or criticize governments. It will easily drift into a spiritually mundane [realm] camouflaged by religious practices, fruitless meetings and empty speeches.

I added the emphasis to the Pope’s words, as translated above by JMG, to point out that the Pope is putting the onus upon communities, upon individuals, within the Church.

Charity is the job of people, not governments. Simply talking about social issues and criticizing governments (note the plural) isn’t enough.  It’s every individual human being’s job to help the poor. It’s not enough to try to get your government to do it for you (and for everybody else, too), even if you succeed.  The sacrifice is yours to make.  You don’t get brownie points in heaven for stealing from others, even if you give what you stole to the poor.

That’s another lesson to be learned by Barack Obama, who (mis)cites the Pope as he strives to nationalize our entire economy and redistribute our wealth to those he deems to be deserving.

Yet Obama is not his own brother’s keeper.  Ask George Obama, who lives in a tin shack in Kenya.

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133 responses to “What Did the Pope Not Say?

  1. The Pope did NOT condemn capitalism. That word is NOWHERE in the text. btw, the Pope DID criticize Islam AND stood firmly AGAINST abortion. Waiting for the progressives, especially Obama, to quote him on those issues.

  2. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/duck-dynasty-star-they-told-us-to-stop-praying-to-jesus-dont-offend-muslims-video/

    The Duck Dynasty clan were told to not pray to Jesus on their show, lest they OFFEND MUSLIMS.

  3. December 9, 2013

    sundance:
    ———
    “North Carolina Knock Out Attacks Lead To Three Arrests – Three Non-Mythical Arrests”

    “NORTH CAROLINA – WINTON – Another unprovoked assault – apparently part of a national craze known as the “Knockout game” – has netted several arrests as well as prompting Hertford County Sheriff Juan Vaughan to issue a stern warning.

    “This type of activity will not be tolerated here in Hertford County. Those participating in Knockout will be arrested and I feel certain that our District Attorney will prosecute those involved to the fullest extent of the law,” Vaughan stated.

    The latest arrests involve three individuals, including one previously charged by the Ahoskie Police Department for a similar crime.

    Vaughan reported that 19-year-old Kentrell Devonte Freeman of 143 Mooretown Road, Powellsville; Eric Stephenson, 22, of 1842 HWY 561 East, Cofield; and 22-year-old William McCoy White Jr. of 516 North McGlohon Street, Ahoskie were all arrested for simple assault.”

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/12/09/north-carolina-knock-out-attacks-lead-to-three-arrests-three-non-mythical-arrests/
    ===============
    “A Myth? Video Emerges Of Wisconsin “Knock Out Attack” – Victim 53-year-old Tim Bessette”

    “He [Bessette] remembers getting off the bus, walking down the street and encountering four youths. The next thing Bessette knew, he was sucker-punched in the nose. The world went black, and Bessette woke up on the pavement. And as he did, he heard the youths running away, joking and laughing.

    Here’s The Update – The Wisconsin Free has obtained exclusive video from a security camera of yet another victim of the so-called “Knockout Game,” also known as “Point ‘em Out, Knock ‘em Out.” The latest incident occurred near the Milwaukee Collegiate Academy at 4030 North 29th St. in Milwaukee.”

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/12/09/a-myth-video-emerges-of-wisconsin-knock-out-attack-victim-53-year-old-tim-bessette/

    Published on December 8, 2013

    • You can’t believe your lying eyes. If you do, why, then, you’re just a racist. 😉

    • December 9, 2013

      Matt Vespa:

      “Knockout Game Goes Terribly RIGHT as Woman Wails on Her Attacker”

      “Well, this participant of the knockout game probably will reconsider future engagements after being beatdown by the woman he punched.

      The video shows the assailant targeting the woman, who doesn’t go down after he lands his punch. She turns around and starts punching him repeatedly in the head – but, only after the man next to her delivers an epic kick to the face.

      According to OpposingViews.com, the incident occurred in a Las Vegas, Nevada shopping mall.”

      [video at link]

      http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/knockout-game-goes-terribly-right-woman-wails-her-attacker

  4. Death Panels & more…. Sarah Palin spoke the TRUTH…when
    NO one cared enough to LISTEN… BUTT’ NOW!!… Will They??… O

    http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/unfolding-healthcare-holocaust/#

  5. No kidding.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/04/Roots-of-Common-Core-Lie-In-Association-Between-Barack-Obama-And-Bill-Ayers

    Breaking:
    Huckabee came out and denounced his support for the federal indoctrination of American children. He’s no longer an advocate.
    Geez, thanks, Governor.

    • Good, good, good.

      “If the bill becomes law, South Carolina will be the first state to exempt citizens and businesses from all participation in the Affordable Care Act, the Daily Caller reported.

      The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Tom Davis, recently wrapped up study committee hearings in cities around the state, and says the proposed legislation would render Obamacare void or inoperable through a handful of provisions.

      “It will essentially have five components to it, all of which, in my judgment, are legal, effective, and within the state’s power to do,” the Republican from Beaufort told the Daily Caller.

      The bill’s main component prohibits agencies, officers and employees of the state from implementing any provisions of the Affordable Care Act, leaving implementation entirely in the hands of the federal government, which, Davis contends, lacks the resources or personnel to carry out the programs it mandates.

      “What the Supreme Court said in Printz v. United States is that states are not merely political subdivisions of the federal government, to carry out what the federal government does; they are sovereign entities,” Davis told the Daily Caller.

      “Congress can pass laws, but it cannot compel the states to utilize either their treasury or personnel to implement those federal laws.”

      Additional provisions of the bill would outlaw state exchanges, issuing tax deductions to persons equal to the tax penalties levied by the federal government, and directing the state attorney general to sue over whimsical enforcement of the law.

      Taken together, the Daily Caller reported, the provisions would effectively repeal the federal law for the people of South Carolina.”

      The only problem is that Barry has the power and WILL try to use it to PUNISH the state of SC. He already punishes red states.

  6. Look what your tax dollars went for:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/nation-of-islam-leaders-home-mosque-in-hyde-park-received-100000-in-farm-subsidies/

    “… Millions of dollars in farm subsidies were given to city dwellers including over $100,000 to Louis Farrakhan in Hyde Park!

    Case Study Example: Three Year Economic Savings Program, Inc., Hyde Park, 60615
    A non-profit organization called Three Year Economic Savings Program, Inc received 19 payments totaling $103,529 (2008-11). The address matches Louis Farrakhan’s home and mosque address.

    The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture (USDA) shows the organization as located at the residence of The Nation of Islam leader, Minister Louis Farrakhan. As the top recipient of farm subsidies in the Hyde Park neighborhood, it ranked twelfth amongst all Chicago recipients. The Illinois Secretary of State website has the entity’s status as “Not Good Standing,” clink here. Through the website muhammadfarms.com, the organization is still accepting donations. …”

    For this alone, he should be immediately IMPEACHED. A FAKE charity, just like Malik’s.

  7. The so-called most powerful man in the world, who already disrespected Mandela by talking about HIMSELF instead of the deceased, behaving like the juvenile that he is–at MANDELA’S MEMORIAL SERVICE!

    Don’t forget, however, that they needed, badly, a distraction from the outrage of Barry shaking hands with the commie dictator from Cuba. This, they probably hope, will work. Acting hip; taking a selfie. Michelle had them play musical chairs afterwards; Barry put in time out? See the photos here: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/photo-drama-upset-michelle-obama-switches-seats-with-barack-at-mandela-memorial/

    • The pics at gp are misleading. In the before, the seats are gray and in the “after separating the children” the chairs are red. Also, different people behind the unmannerly before vs after. I think taking the scene further by saying Michelle, who appears to not be having a good time and disapproves of hubs behavior,separated the kids is a set up. Once the goons can show the conservatives were wrong about Michelle changing spots the whole bad selfie moment is no longer disturbing to the drones — who, btw, are disgusted at this point in time over his behavior. A couple of more days of a wrong headline going around his opposition’s circles and the drones will forget they ever were disgusted or disappointed with Buddock.

      • I noticed that today–that Jarrett and Holder are behind them at one point and then not, at another point. However, the body language is evident in all, especially between Barry and Mooch. Look how she turns aside, turns her back to certain people, in essence. That scowl, too! I see that one orange chair, but the one that Mooch is sitting in isn’t the same because the back doesn’t rise up high enough, if it were the same chair as the orange one. The photographer today disclaims that Mooch was angry at their behavior, but who is he to speak for what was going on in her mind? He’s on the hot seat now because he’s the one who took the CANDID photo. I guess the WH couldn’t control all candid shots over there, as they do over here, which, of course, is WHY they won’t allow the press pool photographers anywhere near Barry and why they put out their official versions of events. A video would have been far better than the still shots because there’s no telling what went on in the meantime. Barry certainly is friendlier with the blond than with his wife. Whatever the case, it was no way to behave at a funeral and for certain he embarrassed our country, yet again, by his juvenile behavior. It’s UNSEEMLY, which I’ve said about his behavior many times before. The man has no manners, no grace, whatsoever. This reminds me of two other incidents. Remember back when they said he was scoping out some woman and yukking it up with the French president’s wife? Remember how Bill Clinton was yukking it up at Ron Brown’s funeral until he noticed the cameras and then he put on the fake tears? The photographer in South Africa also said, ridiculously, that everybody was having a good time, celebrating rather than behaving as if it was a funeral–so that makes it okay, in his opinion. To me, it doesn’t matter what others are doing. This man represents the USA and, as usual, it’s all about him. He was enjoying the adulation he got–the standing ovation. Those people would NOT be giving him an ovation if THEY had to live under him. All they know of is his celebrity status. Oh, he’s “royalty”, according to news articles. The articles are all about Barry. Barry TWEETED a photo of himself, in silhouette, from behind, as he ascended stairs into the arena to give his eulogy about the deceased, which was more about himself. Remember when we had gentlemen for president? Remember how Reagan would never take his suit coat off in the Oval Office, out of respect FOR the office? Remember what a gentleman GWB was? This poor excuse for a president is a complete embarrassment to the USA.

        • btw, I heard some guy on radio yesterday talking about how, EVEN TODAY, after Mandela, MOST people in South Africa live on less than $2 A DAY and that most of those people are black. How long was Mandela in power? What did HE do for “his people?”

        • http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2013/12/10/obama-kiss-denmark-pm-helle-thorning-schmidt-mooch-not-amused/

          That blog has another pic that shows the orange chair. Also, YUK, Barry kissing the blond Danish leader and Mandela’s gal pal ON THE LIPS. Ewww. Also, however, he’s contritely kissing Mooch’s hand, as if he’s Sir Walter Raleigh and the Queen.

          You make a good point, though: Already the racists are out there calling people who “misinterpreted” Mooch’s body language … what else? RACIST! Then there is the potential to incite true racists who will make statements about a black man and a white woman, especially a blond. Racists like this one: http://theblacksphere.net/2013/12/11/america-frat-boy-president I heard him on radio this morning and he was joking, “where da white women?” Ha! (For those who don’t know, Kevin Jackson is black himself.)

          • http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/10/obama-takes-selfie-with-british-danish-prime-ministers/

            This is a long spin story, but there’s video. Skip to 57 seconds in. It’s important to note that the video is NOT of the critical incidents, but do show Mooch smiling and waving to someone off camera but she doesn’t interact with or even look at the blond woman. If they have THAT recorded, then why not show the VIDEO of the ACTUAL selfie. You know there is one. It’s suppressed because …

            They excuse the selfie because it’s now something all celebrities do. Right. But he’s supposed to be the president, not a celebrity. It was a funeral, not a social event. IMHO, it’s disrespectful for Mooch to be waving at people like she’s on the red carpet at the Academy Awards. WHY would you have your cell phone ON at a funeral, much less pulled out of your pocket(book)?

          • After looking at more pics, It seems Obama has fallen off the wagon and was higher than a kite which maybe why Holder was hiding trying to stay out of the pic and Michelle was on pins and needles; what was he gonna do next. No way to control or even know what to expect from someone higher than a kite. “Higher than a kite” as in street drugs ie. cocaine or uppers. Not meds or pot. Barry may not have been pouting but coming down from the high and became bored with the shenanigans.

            • He might have simply been drunk on all the adulation. He hasn’t been feeling the love over here, lately, unless, of course, it was Love (with a capital L). 🙂

              If I had to guess what she was angry about, I’d say it was NOT jealousy: like Hillary with Bill; I don’t think she cares. I’d wager that it was her common sense–that she knew that this would look bad, possibly would be recorded and commented about, but also the fact that it was distasteful and juvenile behavior, in and of itself, whether or not recorded.

          • Rosemary Woodhouse

            Yes, Miri…his narcissistic fix was being met by new sources…not his inner circle who, even in his most narcissistic moments, knows they are there to KHA.

  8. Full post here: http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/unemployment-graph-when-participation-rate-held-constant/

    Here’s an excerpt:

    I ran all the numbers from January 1995 to present and computed the effect on the reported unemployment number if the Civilian Labor Force Participation Rate had been a constant 67.3%. The results are eye-opening:

    Unemployment With Fixed 67.3% Labor Force Participation Rate

    {Click on graph or here to enlarge}

    By removing Civilian Labor Force Participation Rate as a variable, the graph of Unemployment for January 1995 to present now looks like the inverse of Employment for that time period:

    Employment-Population Ratio and Averages, January 1995 - November 2013

    {Click on graph or here to enlarge}

  9. That darned Podesta is returning to the WH as what I’ll call the “dictatorship czar”. He’s coming in to advise Barry on his specialty, which apparently is how to ram thing through via EXECUTIVE ORDER. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/john-podesta-hire-signals-a-more-aggressive-white-house-100961.html

    Some claim that Podesta helped Clinton get through the Lewinsky scandal, but he ain’t going to save Barry’s poll numbers. It’s PERSONAL now, as citizens lose their health insurance, their jobs, their incomes, their hope (ironic). Speaking of losing insurance, Gateway Pundit has lost his and is once again asking for prayers for himself and his family. He has some adorable little girls, btw.

  10. http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/sen-lamar-alexander-s-chief-of-staff-put-on-leave-following-child-pornography-allegations-20131211

    Gee. I wonder how THAT came to light? Allegedly. A shot across the bow? Put it in context with an FBI and NSA that can spy on your computer, use your Google cookies to track you, and even, hey!, put stuff ON your computer.

    See what we can do? And who’s the wiser? By the time it works its way through the judicial process, even if acquitted–the DAMAGE is done and that’s all that matters. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

    I’m not saying that’s what happened here; I’m just laying out the POSSIBILITIES.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/nsa-uses-google-cookies-to-pinpoint-targets-for-hacking/?wpisrc=al_comboNE&clsrd

    “… According to the documents, the NSA and its British counterpart, GCHQ, are using the small tracking files or “cookies” that advertising networks place on computers to identify people browsing the Internet. The intelligence agencies have found particular use for a part of a Google-specific tracking mechanism known as the “PREF” cookie. These cookies typically don’t contain personal information, such as someone’s name or e-mail address, but they do contain numeric codes that enable Web sites to uniquely identify a person’s browser.

    In addition to tracking Web visits, this cookie allows NSA to single out an individual’s communications among the sea of Internet data in order to send out software that can hack that person’s computer. The slides say the cookies are used to “enable remote exploitation,” although the specific attacks used by the NSA against targets are not addressed in these documents. …”

    Once hacked, what can’t be put onto someone’s computer? Remote exploitation or dirty tricks? Who will EVER KNOW?

  11. http://netrightdaily.com/2013/12/pope-attack-unfettered-capitalism/

    “Did Pope Francis really lay a broadside into what he called “unfettered capitalism”?

    That is certainly what headline writers the world over would have you believe. Well, at least the ones that picked up Reuters’ account of the Pope’s new apostolic exhortation, “The Joy of the Gospel,” a news story that was then syndicated globally. …

    There is, however, one acute problem with the quote. Francis never actually wrote that. Naomi O’Leary did. Search the document for yourself and search for the words, either “unfettered” or “capitalism.” They’re not there. …”

  12. We must congratulate TIME magazine for naming Pope Francis its Person of the Year. Finally they recognize someone who is openly pro-traditional family (i.e. anti-gay marriage), anti-abortion, and who wrote something which would AS WELL apply to government:

    “Excessive centralisation, rather than proving helpful, complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach.”

    They ALMOST avoided giving him devil horns, though. I’m surprised that, out of respect for Muslims and concern for offending them, they didn’t photoshop out his crucifix.

  13. Sharon Rondeau on Obama as a son of Africa or son of their soil. http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/12/kenya-see-it-son-of-africa-in-white.html

    I noted recently that Mandela, himself, has been referred to as a “son of the soil” of Africa. Most recently in eulogies for him. Mandela, of course, was BORN in Africa. Was Barry? Some pretend that this means a true African of African ancestry, but of course that would EXCLUDE Barry, as he’s at least HALF WHITE. NBC correspondents called Barry a son of Africa and a son of their soil, too:
    http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/12/nbc-news-obama-is-son-of-african-soil.html

  14. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/dps-officer-resigns-after-found-to-be-illegal-immigrant

    “An investigation has revealed an undocumented immigrant was working for over a decade as a Department of Public Safety officer in Arizona.

    According to KVOA, Carmen Figueroa retained employment with DPS for 13 years possibly by using a fake birth certificate. …”

    I’m just sayin’.

    • So, is AZ gonna sue her for back wages which although worked for we obtained through fraud?

      • Excellent question. They should but I doubt that they will. She should go to jail and pay reparations before being deported. And Farrakhan and all the other fake “farmers”, of course, should go to jail and pay reparations for fraud, too, after a trial, of course.

  15. Biden PROMISES illegal aliens that immigration reform with the path to citizenship will become the law of the land. Check out this story:
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/12/10/majority-of-americans-believe-deportation-of-illegals-not-enforced-enough-n1760671

    “Only 29% of Likely U.S. Voters think the government should stop deporting illegal immigrants until Congress passes an immigration reform plan. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% oppose a halt to deportations. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided.

    Sixty percent (60%) believe the U.S. government is not aggressive enough now in deporting illegal immigrants. Fourteen percent (14%) say it is too aggressive, while 16% think the number of deportations is about right. …

    Just 19% of voters believe that those who are not in this country illegally should be granted legal status right away. Sixty-four percent (64%) say legalization should come only after the border is secured. Seventeen percent (17%) are not sure. …”

    For whom do Biden, Obama, and the Senate work? We the People of the USA, not we the illegal aliens (especially the illegals who illegally vote).

  16. Can we believe this fool-tool??…. Usurper???? USA ? so very SAD!

    http://www.michellesmirror.com/

    • They make me want to give up. Never can be beat! Check this out:

      Look how CLOSE that dude is to Barry and NOW we’re supposed to believe that he is a sometimes violent schizophrenic that nobody knows WHO hired and who, for some reason we’re also supposed to believe, was vetted by the South Africans and not our security force, so as not to upset them. WHAT the hell kind of useless, incompetent Secret Service do we have, anyway? Answer: It’s not their fault BUTT they are being thrown under the bus, to take the fall for the Little Guy, meaning: My guess is that Barry insisted on having a signer there, for political correctness and lest they be criticized, so this guy who hasn’t a clue (and might even be some relative of Barry’s) was recruited, hoping that nobody would notice. Now they’re not about to ADMIT THAT, so they’ve come up with this throw-the-South-Africans-AND-the-US-Secret-Service-under-the-bus plan.

    • I didn’t listen to that tool; couldn’t, for the obvious reasons. I’ve never listened to him, actually because, as you all know, we knew from the beginning that he’s a snake charmer. Anyway, I did read what he said about him and the little narrative he gave sounded EXACTLY like it was written by Bill Ayers. I also read Barry’s honorific speech about Carlos Santana, at the Kennedy Center awards–same story. EXACTLY like it was written by Bill Ayers a la “Dreams From My Father”. All sounding like myth, and I’m sure most of it, like Barry’s biography, WAS myth.

    • ““If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America.” — Nelson Mandela, Jan. 29, 2003

      Nelson Mandela, the former terrorist-turned-compromiser and the so-called “father of democracy” who served as president of South Africa, hated America. But progressive liberals loved him — none more so than President Barack Obama, who ordered that flags at the White House and all Federal buildings fly at half-staff through Monday, following Mandela’s death last Thursday at age 95. But that was only the start.

      Obama, like so many black celebrities and members of the white media, has personalized his relationship with Mandela beyond all reason: “He no longer belongs to us; he belongs to the ages,” Obama said upon learning of Mandela’s death. The President added, “We will not likely see the likes of Nelson Mandela again.”

      I have no doubt about that last statement. Can you think of another terrorist bent on killing and overthrowing a government with bombs and armed insurrection who went on to be considered the greatest statesman ever? And just in case you think that Mandela was never a terrorist but a misunderstood man walking in the steps of Mahatma Gandhi, then you are at odds with Washington. He was on the terrorist list until 2008. ...”

      That quote by Mandela REALLY makes me angry. This was said AFTER his alleged reformation/redemption/begging of forgiveness for his own crimes.

    • “Have you noticed what is missing in the lionization of Mandela? There has hardly been a report out of South Africa. Perhaps that is because millions of lives were turned upside down once Mandela became President. We’ve seen no reports from the disenfranchised whites who have lost their jobs, been swallowed up by poverty or had to leave South Africa. And we’ve seen no reports on the growing poverty and crime in South Africa that has sprung up since Mandela’s African National Congress (ANC) has economically ruined the sole bright economic spot that existed in all of dark Africa. That Apartheid was evil is beyond dispute, but that the new South Africa that Mandela helped create is a multiracial democratic paradise is an outright lie. The huge transition in that country has caused terrible suffering.

      My best friend of 30 years teaches overseas and speaks of South Africa often. For the past decade, at his different posts, the largest groups of expatriates he’s worked with originate from South Africa. They are whites who teach and administer in schools in Europe, the Mideast and Asia. They have been forced to leave their homes and families in South Africa because, under ANC rule, jobs have been taken from whites and handed to blacks. Freedom for all races, which Mandela bragged about for 20 years, is nothing more than affirmative action on a national scale.”

      Make no mistake: That’s the model Barry wants for the USA.

    • Two paragraphs stand out, one speaking of Rick Warren’s suicide (mega church minister),
      In April, a few weeks after his son’s death, Rick Warren tweeted about the gun someone sold his son.
      “Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God’s forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15,” the pastor tweeted, though the tweet has since been deleted.”

      and this,
      “Sociologists studying the relationship between suicide and religion found in a 2012 study that Catholics are less likely to accept or commit suicide. Earlier this year, LifeWay Research suggested that nearly half of evangelical, fundamentalist, or born-again Christians (48 percent) believe that people with serious mental illness can overcome their condition through prayer and Bible study alone.”

      How is that for planting in minds that Christians should not have guns because they won’t deal with “serious mental illness”.

      • Somebody should pray for Warren if he truly believes that the person who sold the gun is somehow responsible for his son’s suicide. Unless it was a crime to sell an “unregistered” gun, I don’t know what that person has to repent for. Would he expect a pharmacist to ask forgiveness, if the son killed himself via prescription drugs? Or the doctor who prescribed them? I guess the pastor heard from his flock, and so deleted his tweet. The person who commits suicide is the person who made the choice and is the person responsible for his choice. May as well ask the parents whether they’ve asked for forgiveness for failing to raise a son with enough resilience to not kill himself. (I’m not saying that’s what should be done, just comparing the levels of “responsibility”. How many degrees of separation would there be? Would the gun manufacturer have to ask forgiveness, too? The steel company owner who made the materials?)

        There’s a reason why Catholics have a lower rate of suicide: It’s a mortal sin to kill oneself. Therefore, there’s no way to ask forgiveness once the deed is done and so, automatic Hell.

    • OMG, OMG, OMG. A plane crash. Barry’s on his way to Hawaii, if not there already. Didn’t I say that the “folks” over there need to watch out?

      Hawaii’s health director has died after a light aircraft carrying nine people crashed in the sea off the island of Molokai on Wednesday.

      Loretta Fuddy, who was on an annual visit to the the island, was named as the sole victim in the crash by state government sources. …”

      Unbelievable. Is this why Barry was so jolly? I wonder if Fuddy had one of those infamous “open only in case of death” envelopes.

      • http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/small-plane-crashes-water-off-molokai-hawaii-21187906

        Engine failure caused a small commercial plane carrying nine people to crash into the ocean off Hawaii, killing the director of the state’s Health Department, the airline’s owner said Thursday. Eight other people onboard, including the pilot, survived.

        Owner Richard Schuman [Need I tell you he once ran for office as a DemoncRAT?] of Makani Kai Air said the pilot did his best to get the single-engine plane down safely and keep the passengers together in the waters off Molokai. Schuman said the pilot told him the engine had failed.

        Asked how they survived, he responded: “Will.”

        Getting out of the aircraft was important,” he said. “It was, extremely, a team effort on many people to take care of them.” …

        Schuman said he did not yet know why the engine failed because he has not been able to see the plane. It crashed soon after takeoff, after getting into the air and making its turn toward Honolulu, he said. …

        Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said investigators planned to speak with the pilot and some passengers on Thursday.

        The location of the wreckage, combined with wind and wave conditions, likely means it won’t be recoverable, NTSB spokesman Eric Weiss added. [What a freaking surprise!]

        “We handle lots of investigations in which the airplane is not recoverable,” he said. “The fact gathering on the ground continues.” …

        It was Fuddy who released President Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate in 2011 after he and his personal attorney wrote to Fuddy to make it public and relieve the state from the burden that came with repeated inquiries.

        Fuddy said then that she had viewed the records that “further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.” [And she won’t be saying anything to contradict that now, will she?]

        Fuddy, 65, and deputy director Keith Yamamoto were on the flight after an annual visit to Kalaupapa, a remote peninsula on the north side of Molokai (moh-loh-KY’-ee) island where the state exiled leprosy patients until 1969. It’s accessible only by plane or mule. …

        The Rev. Patrick Killilea, pastor of St. Francis Church at Kalaupapa, recalled how he made sign of the cross on Fuddy’s forehead when her body was taken to a care home after the crash. …

        “I did give her conditional last rites, not knowing exactly what time she passed,” he said. “From what I understand, she could have been deceased for a couple of hours.

        The priest said Yamamoto shared how he had held Fuddy’s hand in the water after the plane went down. [So was she in the fuselage or out in the water, holding Yamamoto’s hand?]

        They were in their life preservers,” Killilea said. “At some point she let go, and there was no response.[Of what would she have died, then?] …”

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Hmmmmmmm…….

    • http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/messages/peace/documents/papa-francesco_20131208_messaggio-xlvii-giornata-mondiale-pace-2014_en.html

      That’s a link to the English version of the latest from the Pope, which is also being touted in the progressive media. I don’t have time yet to read it all and interpret what it may or may not say. Of course, the progressives say that the Pope is calling on governments but I’m not so sure. Will need to see the original text as he wrote it. I’ll say one thing: Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible when it comes to the Word of God (i.e., theology). NOT with regard to economic systems or politics.

    • See more conversation about Fuddy from today at this link: https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/links/comment-page-2/#comment-127859

  17. Just like the POtuS, who takes selfies at funerals. SUCH CLASS!
    http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=26481

    “House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told Democratic House members at a meeting Thursday morning to “embrace the suck and encouraged enough members to back the budget deal on the floor to allow passage, according to an attendee of the meeting.

    “We need to get this off the table so we can go forward,” Pelosi told her members, according to someone inside the closed meeting of the caucus. …”

    Yes, and the EVER IDIOTIC Republicans ENABLE them so that after the New Year, they can MOVE ON and MOVE FORWARD with the fundamental transformation of the USA by RAMMING through amnesty, after which Barry will executive-order all the illegals into citizens who WILL vote in 2014 for DemoncRATS, even if the DemoncRATS have to do their voting for them, which they will do, by hook or by crook. When WILL they ever learn NOT to sell us all down the river?

  18. “Did anybody see that show last night about Dr. Mengele and the bizarre story of the town in Argentina that had an unusual explosion of twin births in the early 1961s? ”

    No! What show/ network was it on?

    • http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/nazi-mystery-twins-from-brazil/

      Must have been a re-run. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129577#.Uqpbvfv90yY

      “Nazi doctor Josef Mengele was infamous for the horrific experiments he performed on concentration camp prisoners during the Holocaust. Now an Argentinean researcher reports that after fleeing to South America Mengele continued his experiments, and succeeded in creating a “twin city” with an unusually high number of blond children.

      Researcher Jorge Camarasa says Mengele was responsible for the many twin births in the small town of Candido Godoi in Brazil. Mengele visited the town while living in nearby Paraguay, and over the years began treating local women, Camarasa says in his book Mengele: the Angel of Death in South America.

      Mengele used Cadido Godoi as a laboratory, Camarasa told the British Telegraph this week. After Mengele began treating women in the 1960s, local women began experiencing an unusually high number of twin births.

      While the normal ratio of twin births to single-child births is roughly one to 80, in Candido Godoi the ratio shot up to one in every five births, confounding scientists. Most of the twins were blond with blue eyes—features considered highly desirable under the Aryan supremacist views held by Mengele and his fellow Nazis. …”

      However, the program showed twins who were dark skinned, like Argentinians or Brazilians. It’s an area not far from Brazil where there are a lot of blacks. Wait! The town IS in Brazil. Sorry. The researcher is from Argentina.

      • “Nazi mystery twins from brazil National Geographic”

        At YouTube:

        “Could Joseph Mengele (the Angel of death) be the cause of an uprising in twins in a small town in Brazil?”

        Published on November 9, 2013

        • “The Boys from Brazil (1978)”- Full Movie

          At YouTube:

          “A Nazi hunter in Paraguay discovers a sinister and bizarre plot to rekindle the Third Reich.”

          Published on July 2, 2012

          • Gordo, TY. Forgot all about that movie. FWIW, the scientists who studied that town came to the conclusion (in the last 5 minutes of the show, after promoting the Mengele meme for 55 minutes) that the twins are the result of the “founder’s effect,” since only 8 families originally moved to that remote location and in-breeding caused a proliferation of the gene that presumably promotes twinning. Plausible, but what of the people who identified Mengele as being a “doctor” ministering to women in that town?

  19. From the AP
    …Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said investigators planned to speak with the pilot and some passengers on Thursday. The location of the wreckage combined with wind and wave conditions likely means it won’t be recoverable, NTSB spokesman Eric Weiss added…
    ~
    So there surely must have been a search and rescue. Where’s that story?
    Where were the live reports? The helicopters? It apparently all happened in prime time.

    • i’ve heard two different stories that she was holding (forgot his name) the assistant health administrators hand and he told some referend she just let go of his hand. Then i heard she was located in the fuselage. Which story is true?

  20. YEP!!! as far as I know I’m still breathing!…BUTT’…just what are the
    odds? & WHY NOW? as a betting person….I STILL doubt….it is true!
    Friends….in HIGH….PLACES …as they SAY! covering their BUTT’S?
    BUTT’ she was fat & could be a heart attack? Just 2 weird! as we know
    Been out of sync…for weeks computer…. time “very limited”… I wish
    I could play more…. I have missed so much… Thanks P… kiss-kiss

  21. Just a feel good video…..

    • Yeah, but We the People will regret it even more. We do already, but the “powers” don’t give a cr**. In fact, this is now to be the ACCELERATED Obama program of fundamental transformation, because the polls prove that Barry has LOST the support he once had among the “low-information voters.” The signs are everywhere:
      1. The budget “deal” that removes that issue from consideration when Congress returns, clearing the table for Barry’s agenda.
      2. The chattering about how “comprehensive” immigration reform will happen, for sure. Biden said so. Ryan and Boehner are on board.
      3. The probable truth that once “comprehensive” immigration reform gives ANY kind of legal status to illegals, Barry will, by executive order, give them immediate citizenship so they can vote in 2014 and 2016. Podesta coming to the WH lends truth to that supposition.
      4. The likelihood that we are now seeing a new initiative to institute gun control AGAIN: Sudden meme in the media, bewailing the lack of forward progress at the anniversary of Sandy Hook; a new and alarming meme promoted by NBC news that gun “safety” is a “public health issue” that is now going to be promoted as such. So they will try to use EXECUTIVE ORDERS to impose gun controls under the guise of Barry’s alleged ability to ensure the “general welfare” DESPITE THE 2ND AMENDMENT’S CLEAR LANGUAGE–“NO LAW”. But hey! A policy is NOT a law. Wait for it; it’s coming.
      5. More executive orders to IMPOSE global warming climate change initiatives upon everyone. Barry promised to bankrupt the coal industry and he will, if he can, by any means necessary.
      6. Taking over our 401k’s and other retirement funds in order to fund his personal “new society”.

      I’m sure there’s more but this is off the top of my aching head.

      • Sandy “Hookers” are NOW setting up a new website for what the he** I don’t know exactly,yet they’re always aking that the public give them their privacy. Oh, OK, so now a year after the EVENT, they need a website, I guess to seek Privacy, huh. I suspect their comminity organizing needs revamping to get the most bang for the buck,huh. I mean we need a few more sympathy stories and tears shed for gun control freaks to get their groove on. Sickening!!!!! Maybe they’ll show photos of their ‘dead’ like flash cards to summon the spirit of Christmas giving to their cause. Disgusting Really!!!!

  22. December 13, 2013

    Lawrence Sellin:

    “A Government Separated from the People Cannot Stand”

    “The United States is now controlled by a Democratic and Republican ruling class that transcends government and sees itself as distinct from the rest of society and as the only element that may act on its behalf.The ruling class considers those who resist it as having no moral or intellectual right, and, only reluctantly, any civil right to do so.

    Power rests, not with the citizens, but with a relatively small group of politicians and financiers, who enhance their personal wealth and privilege by looting the country through a self-serving legislative process. They maintain their authority by adjusting the levers of government and using the establishment media to manipulate public perception and opinion.

    Barack Obama, a coffeehouse communist, leads a dishonest and lawless cabal of far-left ideologues, whose goal is to promote socialist policies that can only be implemented at the expense of personal liberty.

    Republican leaders neither contest that view nor oppose their Democrat counterparts because they do not want to challenge the ruling class, they want to join it. The GOP leadership has gradually solidified its choice to no longer represent what had been its constituency, but to adopt the identity of junior partners in the ruling class.

    The erosion of the Constitution and the theft of our Constitutional rights have been occurring incrementally and quietly over a long period of time. With the election of Barack Obama in 2008, those efforts have accelerated.

    The Obama nightmare could be ended at any time simply by telling the truth.

    To do so, however, would expose the rampant corruption of our political and media elite, reveal their complicity in Obama’s violations of Constitution, uncover their willful ignorance of his alleged felonies and confirm their participation in the greatest election fraud and Constitutional crisis in American history.

    Both the Democrat and Republican parties know that exposing Obama would reveal their dereliction of duty, their complicity in undermining the Constitution, and their continuous flouting of the rule of law. They know that the truth would topple the corrupt status quo and terminate their exclusive grip on political power, allowing the American people to regain control of their government. The political and media elite will do anything to prevent that.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/a_government_separated_from_the_people_cannot_stand.html

    • You’ve done it again, RP. Another picture that tells a story that OUGHT TO BE more widely disseminated. Once again, you’re doing the job that the lamestream media won’t do. (Perhaps because, like Obama, they’ve never had a real job or education and so haven’t a clue how to research and present the results in an easy-to-understand-format. I wonder how many of them studied statistics in journalism school.)

  23. Breaking news:
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/12/21872811-health-director-who-approved-obama-birth-certificate-dies-in-plane-crash?lite
    By Henry Austin and Christopher Nelson, NBC News

    The health director who approved the release of President Obama’s birth certificate has died in a plane crash, Hawaiian officials said Thursday.

    Loretta Fuddy died after the Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft she was travelling on went down shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport at around 3:15 p.m. local time (10:15 a.m. ET) on Wednesday.

    The other eight people on board were rescued, Richard Schuman, president of Makani Kai Air, told NBC News early Thursday, adding that that there was no indication as to why the plane had crashed.

    Fuddy hit the headlines two years ago when she approved a waiver request allowing Obama to access certified copies of his birth certificate, signed by the delivery doctor, Obama’s mother and the local registrar. His mother, then 18, signed her name (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.

    So-called “birthers” opposed to Obama including real estate mogul Donald Trump had long questioned why Obama hadn’t ensured the long form was released.

    Hawaiian senator J. Kalani English led the tributes to the 65-year-old saying she, “will be dearly missed,” by people on the islands.

    SNIP
    Well, we wait to hear the air accisdent investigation as to why the plane crashed. I am sure there will be a perfectly innocent explanation.

  24. OK, just read a report that the deputy director was holding hands IN THE WATER with Loretta when she became non-responsive and drifted off..yesterday wasn’t the story that she was still trapped in the plane? Will go find both if i can

    • Right, that’s what I was asking about last night. THere were already two stories out. Also , Richard Schuan now has said two contradictory statements. “No idea why the plane crashed”, but another article says he was told the pilot heard a loud bang, and that the crash was due to a catastophic engine failure.

    • I’ve addressed that in the new post.

  25. This was yesterday:
    One of the passengers even swam to shore to try to get help. But not everyone got out alive. One person died in the tragic crash.

    “That person remained in the fuselage of the plane. Not much details. Always a difficult situation when you can’t get everyone out, and unfortunately that was the case here,” said Capt. Seelig.”

    “Nine people were onboard when the plane took off. One person was pronounced dead, three were flown to Honolulu and taken by ambulance to the Queens Medical Center. Another three stayed on Molokai and were hospitalized. The rest did not need any medical help.” Read more:

    http://www.khon2.com/news/plane-crashes-in-waters-off-molokai

    This is from today: In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who gained notoriety in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal
    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/235693081.html

    • you know, come to think of it, a small plane is not that hard to rescue and the FFA wouldn’t leave that plane if there was any way possible to get it for evidence, company insurance fiascos. Something is already stinking. You know this airplane co. has had an ongoing tax evasion problem with the IRS, which was settled around 2009 (but not completely?) They evidently have been to court for sometime over the issues of what type of airtransport tax laws apply to them. I can’t see leaving the plane. And besides , the plane must ot be too broken up as everyone but one made it out alive….i. One story seems to suggest the pilot makde an emergency landing on the water.. THis stinks to high hawaii.

  26. The one report is confusing however, as it says they pronounced her dead, but that the person remained in the fuselage (which they said was not there when the rescue teams arrived, only general debris).

    Also this from today’s story:It was unclear Thursday how Fuddy, 65, was killed. Molokai General Hospital Vice President Randy Lite said Fuddy’s body will remain at the hospital until an autopsy is conducted.

    Schuman said he did not yet know why the engine failed because he has not been able to see the plane. The aircraft had no previous problems, he said.

    Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said investigators planned to speak with the pilot, whose name was not released, and some passengers about the crash.

    However, the location of the wreckage, combined with wind and wave conditions, likely means it won’t be recovered, NTSB spokesman Eric Weiss said.

    Gov. Neil Abercrombie said Fuddy was loved and respected. About 100 Health Department employees lined up to pay their respects to Fuddy’s family members who attended a gathering in her memory at the department’s parking lot Thursday.

    Immediately after the crash, Fuddy’s body was taken to a care home at Kalaupapa, where Killilea, the pastor of Kalaupapa’s St. Francis Church, said he made the sign of the cross on her forehead as she lay on a gurney surrounded by nurses and the distraught Yamamoto

    • one story I got said she had on a life jacket. Hummm….that’s interesting….how about anyone else? Hmmm….had time to put on a life jacket……???? Dang ,these conflicting news accounts are reminiscient aren’t they?

    • SEO, read my new post and note the link at the end of one of the quotes to two photos taken by the pilot of the rescue plane. He says one is a photo of the wreckage, when there’s nothing but some little streams of smoke (which could be flares) and another is a photo, allegedly, of them hoisting survivors into the plane. A commenter says she sees nothing. I don’t see anything, either. The pilot points out an orange dot on the left, which I still don’t see! Someone else asks him whether he has video of the rescue. He doesn’t answer. With cellphone cameras, what’s the likelihood of no video?

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