Let’s Make a Deal — for Illegal Aliens (Open Thread)

Long_border_fence - CopySo the Gang of Eight has reportedly made a deal. [Emphasis added to quotes.]

Senate Agreement to Bolster Border Security [Note: “Bolster” is not the same as “SECURE” or “CLOSE”.  Nor is “strengthen.”]

An agreement to strengthen border security is expected to be announced today around 11:00 AM with broader support, including from the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” senators who drafted the original legislation.

ABC News has confirmed that the Senate “Gang of Eight” along with other senators have reached an agreement to strengthen border security provisions in their bill that they hope will deliver the 70 crucial votes needed for the measure.

According to a high ranking Senate aide, a formal announcement is expected to be introduced on senate floor around 11:00 AM, but no immediate vote is expected. As of now, no press conference on the deal is scheduled either.

A second capitol hill source tells ABC News the agreement will include a major border [sic, intiative?], with a key change being a nearly doubling of border agents, completion of 700 miles of fence, and specific plan for border security–all that must be fully implemented before green cards are available to undocumented.

Attaching the amendment could bring the larger piece of legislation closer to the goal of 70 votes that some members of the Gang of Eight have envisioned.

The gang includes, four Republicans: Marco Rubio (Fla.), John McCain (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), [RINOs] and four Democrats: Chuck Schumer (N.Y.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Michael Bennet (Colo.), and Dick Durbin (Ill.). …

Note the change from “legalization” to “green cards”. There’s a reason for that. Rubio was caught flat-footed when he told a friendly crowd IN SPANISH that legalization is first and nothing’s stopping it:

Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) gave a Spanish-language interview to the Univision network in which he said the following: “Let’s be clear.  Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization.  The legalization is going to happen.  That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization.  Then come the measures to secure the border.  And then comes the process of permanent residence.”

He got creamed for going back on his previous statements (lies) that BORDER SECURITY comes first.  Writer John Hayward continued:

That’s exactly the opposite of what he’s been saying to conservatives ever since the beginning of the comprehensive immigration reform debate.  Time and again we’ve heard that border security would be an ironclad prerequisite for amnesty.  Rubio has occasionally made noise about walking out on the Gang of Eight immigration bill, if security was not addressed.

No doubt he would explain his very different posture before the Univision audience by stressing the difference between “legalization” and “permanent residence.”  The impression he gives conservatives is clearly that fresh waves of illegal immigration will be decisively repelled before we start handing out citizenship to the illegals on the U.S. side of a secure border.  The impression he strove to give his Spanish-language audience was the polar opposite: we’ll get that legalization process humming along, putting every illegal on the fabled “pathway to citizenship” immediately.  Later we’ll do something or other about the border.

So now they’re changing their terminology from legalization to green cards (aka permanent residence) to make you think that illegal aliens are NOT going to be given amnesty immediately. There is a distinct difference in these terms.

Legalization means allowing the person to stay (like the DREAMers were amnestied illegally by Obama, who allowed them to stay without fear of legal repercussions). Green cards are the granting of permanent residence with an inevitable “path to citizenship.”  Once someone gets a green card, 5 years later the person can apply for citizenship.

Legalization or green cards–both are AMNESTY for illegal aliens.

This is an obvious ploy to make people believe that Rubio’s going back to border security first and that nobody’s going to be legalized until the border is secure and 700 miles of wall are built.  NOT TRUE.

The “Gang of Eight” wants to fool uninformed, low-information people into believing that illegal aliens are NOT going to be given a pass (aka amnesty) until the border is secure.  They want to fool the public into believing that illegal aliens will still be at risk of being caught and deported. That they’ll still be considered to be ILLEGALLY trespassing in our country, taking our jobs, receiving our benefits, until that border is locked down.  NOT TRUE.

It’s all a matter of semantics and careful parsing.  The illegal aliens will get AMNESTY from day one, if the Gang of Eight’s bill passes.

Do illegal aliens care if they’re U.S. citizens or not? Maybe, maybe not. But what a deal!  They will get to stay here, anyway, work here (out of the shadows), take jobs that belong to U.S. citizens and LEGAL immigrants, all without any fear of being caught and deported.  Depending upon what loopholes are written into the bill, amnestied illegal aliens may be allowed to collect all of the social welfare benefits that U.S. citizens receive.

Good deal for them. Good deal for the businesses that currently ILLEGALLY hire and EXPLOIT them. Sucks for unemployed U.S. citizens whose jobs these illegal aliens take. Sucks for U.S. taxpayers, who fund the social programs illegal aliens exploit. Sucks for U.S. citizens whose votes are cancelled out when illegal aliens illegally vote in our elections.

The Gang of Eight never planned to hand out green cards on day one, but they’re still going to instantly legalize (allow to stay, give AMNESTY to) all the illegal aliens currently trespassing here and taking jobs (or worse, public benefits, maybe even illegally voting), as soon as that bill is passed.

What will happen next?  During the conferences to reconcile the House and Senate bills, they will take out completion of the fence.  You can bet on it.  Then those who voted earlier for the stricter bills will have political coverage and the more lenient bill will be rammed through.  The People stopped amnesty in 2007, so Democrats and RINOs have tried to figure out a way to do an end run around the People this time, with help from the complicit progressive mainstream media.

Finishing a plan for “border security” is meaningless.  Doubling the number of border agents? That’s fine for Democrats and  RINOs:  more public employees, more government spending, more bloated big government, more public employees dependent upon big government (who will vote to maintain the status quo of big government forever), more soldiers for Obama’s civilian army. What’s for a socialist not to like?

It’s not as if these new border agents will do anything.  They aren’t currently ALLOWED to enforce the border or deport anyone, anyway. What’s to say they’ll be allowed to after this bill is passed?

The Obama administration doesn’t follow or enforce current laws. Where’s anything in this bill to force this president and future presidents to enforce the laws?

How is the Gang of Eight, but especially Rubio, going to force Obama to obey and enforce THIS new law?

Will the citizens fall for this, or will they see through the scam and “melt the phone lines,” as they did the last time around?

The Democrats and RINOs rammed through Obamacare against the will of the People.  Will they manage to ram through AMNESTY with no border security against the will of the People, too?

Time to melt the phone lines.


172 responses to “Let’s Make a Deal — for Illegal Aliens (Open Thread)

  1. I made this an open thread, so we have a clean slate to gab on. There’s a plethora of news about the SPYING on US citizens today:

    New documents reveal parameters of NSA’s secret surveillance programs
    Authorized by Section 702 of the amended Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), the program did away with the traditional individual warrant for each foreign suspect whose communications would be collected in the United States. In its place, the FISA court, which oversees domestic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes and whose proceedings are secret, would certify the government’s procedures to target people overseas and ensure citizens’ privacy. It issues a certificate, good for one year, that allows the NSA to order a U.S. Internet or phone company to turn over over e-mails, phone calls and other communications related to a series of foreign targets, none of which the court approved individually.

    “What’s most striking about the targeting procedures is the discretion they confer on the NSA,” said Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security program. …”

    Look at THIS can of worms now opened: http://redtape.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/20/19061109-lawyers-eye-nsa-data-as-treasure-trove-for-evidence-in-murder-divorce-cases?lite

    Lawyers eye NSA data as treasure trove for evidence in murder, divorce cases
    The National Security Agency has spent years demanding that companies turn over their data. Now, the spy agency finds the shoe is on the other foot. A defendant in a Florida murder trial says telephone records collected by the NSA as part of its surveillance programs hold evidence that would help prove his innocence, and his lawyer has demanded that prosecutors produce those records. On Wednesday, the federal government filed a motion saying it would refuse, citing national security. But experts say the novel legal argument could encourage other lawyers to fight for access to the newly disclosed NSA surveillance database.

    “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess,” said George Washington University privacy law expert Dan Solove. “In a way, it’s kind of ironic.” …”

    I read a funny comment somewhere: a woman said that the next time her hard drive crashes, she’ll ask the NSA for her backup. 🙂

  2. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-20/nsa-secret-warrantless-spying-rules-revealed

    NSA Secret Warrantless Spying Rules Revealed
    The Guardian has done it once again, this time presenting two July 2009 documents signed by none other than Eric Holder which lay out under what conditions the NSA is allowed to make use of information “inadvertently” collected from domestic US communications without a warrant. The documents detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target “non-US persons” under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance. “The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.”
    The problems are when one sees the cornucopia of FISA court-approved loopholes that can be exploited. Among them:

    Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

    Retain and make use of “inadvertently acquired” domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, [political intelligence, too?] information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, [they consider Tea Partiers to be potential domestic terrorists, remember?] are encrypted, [this is where they justify storing everything in Utah; most stuff is encrypted!] or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

    Preserve “foreign intelligence information” contained within attorney-client communications;

    Access the content of communications gathered from “U.S. based machine[s]” or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance. [So here’s the one you can drive a truck through. They can claim that they don’t know if someone’s in the USA and then listen to their calls and read their email under the PRETENSE of finding out, even though, according to the story, they could easily Google to find out. Nothing requires them to do so, apparently–they can just jump right into flipping that switch and listening in. Remember that the Obama officials all testified this is NOT possible.]

    As the Guardian’s Greenwald notes, “The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans’ call or email information without warrants.”

    And more importantly, “The documents also show that discretion as to who is actually targeted under the NSA’s foreign surveillance powers lies directly with its own analysts, without recourse to courts or superiors [just as Snowden said]– though a percentage of targeting decisions are reviewed by internal audit teams on a regular basis.” …”

    That’s a good point. An audit means that they only SAMPLE; they don’t look at EVERY instance. This is certainly a difference between what audit means to a computer scientist versus a CPA. Inspector George pointed out many times that he only did an “audit” at the IRS. While we might think that means he looked at everything, as the IRS does when they audit YOU, he didn’t. They sampled cases and his report is a result of that sampling. (One can only imagine the TRUE FULL SCOPE of the outrageous conduct that took place over there, based upon what he DID find. Where there’s smoke; there’s fire.) To a computer scientist, though, an “audit trail” means that there’s a digital trail for everything. Not a SAMPLE. So when Alexander et al testified that there are audits in place, they left the impression that everything’s overseen when it is NOT.

    • Bottom line from that story: The final step in chain of events:

      “… Once armed with these general orders, the NSA is empowered to compel telephone and internet companies to turn over to it the communications of any individual identified by the NSA. The Fisa court plays no role in the selection of those individuals, nor does it monitor who is selected by the NSA.

      And that is how, contrary to the administration’s lies, virtually anyone can be an NSA target, and absolutely every single American can be spied on without limitation. …”

      Remember that judge who seemed to be on the verge of ruling our way in an ineligibility case who SUDDENLY and inexplicably reversed course and made an outrageous and WRONG (on the law and the Constitution) ruling? What did the NSA did up on him?

    • If you care to read them, the secret rules Holder signed are here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant

      We all know by now that there’s not a Constitution, law, rule, or policy that lawyers like Holder can’t find a plausible way (most often implausible way) to get around.

  3. I think that our government is mentally ill.

  4. Today’s Friday. What shite will hit the fan this afternoon? What kind of document dump or distraction to change what’s discussed on those Sunday shows? More government spying news.

    Skype’s secret Project Chess reportedly helped NSA access customers’ data

    Scheme – set up before firm was purchased by Microsoft – allegedly eased access for US law enforcement agencies.

    Skype, the web-based communications company, reportedly set up a secret programme to make it easier for US surveillance agencies to access customers’ information.

    The programme, called Project Chess and first revealed by the New York Times on Thursday, was said to have been established before Skype was bought by Microsoft in 2011. Microsoft’s links with US security are under intense scrutiny following the Guardian’s revelation of Prism, a surveillance program run by the National Security Agency (NSA), that claimed “direct” access to its servers and those of rivals including Apple, Facebook and Google.

    Project Chess was set up to explore the legal and technical issues involved in making Skype’s communications more readily available to law enforcement and security officials, according to the Times. Only a handful of executives were aware of the plan. The company did not immediately return a call for comment. …”

    • The Warrant

      funny, how one guy is such the big PROBLEM when it comes to usurping the Constitution. yeah, he blew the whistle on the spies.

      all i heard from the CRIMINAL is that the government is collecting meta data so to inventory, track and trace every human being they so desire.

      American Units.?

      read some where that a Supreme Court Judge has been being monitored for some time. wonder which one.

  5. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194505/government-could-use-metadata.html#.UcRnnthv6lg

    Government could use metadata to map your every move

    If you tweet a picture from your living room using your smartphone, you’re sharing far more than your new hairdo or the color of the wallpaper. You’re potentially revealing the exact coordinates of your house to anyone on the Internet.

    The GPS location information embedded in a digital photo is an example of so-called metadata, a once-obscure technical term that’s become one of Washington’s hottest new buzzwords.

    The word first sprang from the lips of pundits and politicians earlier this month, after reports disclosed that the government has been secretly accessing the telephone metadata of Verizon customers, as well as online videos, emails, photos and other data collected by nine Internet companies. President Barack Obama hastened to reassure Americans that “nobody is listening to your phone calls,” [apparently a lie (see above), but Barry likely won’t realize this until he reads it in the paper] while other government officials likened the collection of metadata to reading information on the outside of an envelope, which doesn’t require a warrant.

    But privacy experts warn that to those who know how to mine it, metadata discloses much more about us and our daily lives than the content of our communications. …

    Metadata records of search terms and webpage visits also can reveal a log of your thoughts by documenting what you’ve been reading and researching, Eckersley said.

    “That’s certainly enough to know if you’re pregnant or not, what diseases you have, whether you’re looking for a new job, whether you’re trying to figure out if the NSA is watching you or not,” he said, referring to the National Security Agency. Such information provides “a deeply intimate window into a person’s psyche,” he added.

    The more Americans rely on their smartphones and the Internet, the more metadata is generated.

    Metadata with GPS locations, for example, can trace a teenage girl to an abortion clinic or a patient to a psychiatrist’s office, said Karen Reilly, the development director for The Tor Project, a U.S.-based nonprofit that produces technology to provide online anonymity and circumvent censorship.

    Metadata can even identify a likely gun owner, she said.

    “Never mind background checks, if you bring your cellphone to the gun range you probably have a gun,” Reilly said.

    “People don’t realize all the information that they’re giving out,” she said. “You can try to secure it – you can use some tech tools, you can try to be a black hole online – but if you try to live your life the way people are expecting it, it’s really difficult to control the amount of data that you’re leaking all over the place. …”

    My spoof about drones seems rather pertinent and sadly prescient. Many a truth is told in jest.

  6. This reminds you of WHOM? http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#.UcRnnthv6lg

    Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S. [which he defines as political enemies of himself!]

    Even before a former U.S. intelligence contractor exposed the secret collection of Americans’ phone records, the Obama administration was pressing a government-wide crackdown on security threats that requires federal employees to keep closer tabs on their co-workers and exhorts managers to punish those who fail to report their suspicions.

    President Barack Obama’s unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider Threat Program, is sweeping in its reach. It has received scant public attention even though it extends beyond the U.S. national security bureaucracies to most federal departments and agencies nationwide, including the Peace Corps, the Social Security Administration and the Education and Agriculture departments. It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of “insider threat” give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

    Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage. …”

    How long before children will be required to spy upon and report their parents’ words and activities? http://drleannawolfe.com/nazichild.html

    “… School provided more propaganda for Joseph and as soon as he was old enough he joined the group Hitler’s Youth. This group not only provided an outlet for more propaganda it also shaped children into becoming good citizens and soldiers. The group also taught them to spy on their parents and report any anti-Nazi criticism. …”

    • ” … As part of the initiative, Obama ordered greater protection for whistleblowers who use the proper internal channels to report official waste, fraud and abuse, but that’s hardly comforting to some national security experts and current and former U.S. officials. They worry that the Insider Threat Program won’t just discourage whistleblowing but will have other grave consequences for the public’s right to know and national security.

      The program could make it easier for the government to stifle the flow of unclassified and potentially vital information to the public, while creating toxic work environments poisoned by unfounded suspicions and spurious investigations of loyal Americans, according to these current and former officials and experts. Some non-intelligence agencies already are urging employees to watch their co-workers for “indicators” that include stress, divorce and financial problems.

      “It was just a matter of time before the Department of Agriculture or the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) started implementing, ‘Hey, let’s get people to snitch on their friends.’ The only thing they haven’t done here is reward it,” said Kel McClanahan, a Washington lawyer who specializes in national security law. “I’m waiting for the time when you turn in a friend and you get a $50 reward. …”

      Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#storylink=cpy


      • Part of the plan: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/ap-sources-93054.html

        AP boss: Sources won’t talk anymore

        Associated Press president Gary Pruitt on Wednesday slammed the Department of Justice for acting as “judge, jury and executioner” in the seizure of the news organization’s phone records and he said some of the wire service’s longtime sources have clammed up in fear.

        Pruitt said the department broke its own rules with the seizure, which he said was too broad, and by failing to give the AP notice of the subpoena. Pruitt questioned the DoJ’s actions concerning the subpoena — had the DoJ come to the news organization in advance, “we could have helped them narrow the scope of the subpoena” or a court could have decided, he said. …

        Since the disclosure of the DoJ’s subpoena, Pruitt on Wednesday said AP reporters have experienced a chilling effect on newsgathering. Sources are “nervous and anxious” about talking with reporters, he said, and it goes beyond just the AP. “What I learned from our journalists should alarm everyone in this room and should alarm everyone in this country,” he said. [Some German citizens probably felt the same way, back in the ’30s.]

        “The actions of the DoJ against AP are already having an impact beyond the specifics of this particular case,” he said. “Some of our longtime trusted sources have become nervous and anxious about talking to us, even on stories that aren’t about national security. And in some cases, government employees that we once checked in with regularly will no longer speak to us by phone, and some are reluctant to meet in person.” [Sure, because the drones are watching, too. And the GPS in their cell phones tells where they are.]

        “This chilling effect is not just at AP, it’s happening at other news organizations as well,” Pruitt added. [DUH! That’s the plan. Have to get around that pesky U.S. Constitution, somehow. And you guys let him get away with being ineligible in the first place. Now YOU’RE whining.] “Journalists from other news organizations have personally told me it has intimidated sources from speaking to them. Now, the government may love this. I suspect they do. But beware the government that loves secrecy too much.”

        While the AP is not going to be “intimidated,” by the DoJ’s action, he said, “our sources will be.” …”

        So what are they going to DO about it? Write stories CRITICAL of this unprecedented OBAMA administration intrusion of free speech, privacy, and freedom of the press? Right.

        Earth to Pruitt: It’s not “the government”. It’s OBAMA.

  7. Okay. I’m done talking to myself.

  8. CRIME … PAYS…. fresh from orly

    • larger

      Pay careful attention to the potential for “amnesty” for document fraud to prove eligibility for employment, social security fraud (and faking documents), and falsely claiming citizenship on an I-9. Is Barry going to qualify under this law for RIP status?


  10. Birthright ~ Citizenship ….. 2009-2013 ~ + (more on top blue bar)

  11. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/27/3205/4103
    this goes with above … so sorry

    HEY… ps….. where’s Bridgette ?

  12. Chelsea Clinton (who’s “Great Gram” was the child of unwed teenage
    parents…WHO had “NO Planned Parenthood” (abortions) back then
    Yep… SEX = child … even back in the 1800’s…. yep even then!

    “What does it matter”? … U would NOT BE ALIVE FOOL!!!
    Oh where was I? and here’s her hubby .. Marc MEZVINSKY $$$$


    • Exactly. I heard that earlier this week and figured it must be true, based upon what we’re seeing. The NSA files paying off in SO many ways.

  13. Kiss butt…O’Reilly thinks the Bill should … go thru…. is he NUTS!!!!
    Laura Ingraham…. tried to AWAKEN the old Rainman … video…


    • I saw that on his show and thought: What do they have on him? It’s OBVIOUS that, just as in 2008, the word has gone out. Just as with the BC issue.

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        He’s been w/ Obama since Day 1. That’s pretty darned obvious! He tries to deflect from time to time. It’s a shell game. Another conman . Who is who in this not so amusing game called Coup d’etat: USA ™

        • What’s curious is how O’Really wavers from day to day, week to week. It’s always obvious, though, when the word comes down from above. Then he tows the line. Remember that O’Really was the one who would nail GWB on the border every time he interviewed him. He kept at him and at the topic: Why, after 9/11, won’t they close the freaking border? We still don’t know the answer. They tell us that they have no choice but to spy on everyone to stop attacks and yet they STILL leave the border WIDE OPEN to any terrorist who wants to waltz across. It’s been reported time and again (by people who put up surveillance cameras of their own) that MUSLIMS in Muslim headgear are coming across the southern border. ICE Agents report catching guys with Middle Eastern accents who pretend to be Mexicans. I clearly remember predicting years ago that they would come in pretending to be Mexicans because Spanish people have some Arab genetic background, making them look enough like Middle Easterners that many Middle Easterners can pass for Spaniards or Mexicans. So O’Really hectored GWB for 8 years about that border and yet now he’s pushing for Barry’s lame, fake “border security”? It’s VERY suspicious. Remember how O’Really himself was caught on tape? http://nymag.com/news/features/scandals/bill-oreilly-2012-4/ What else does someone possibly know?

  14. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Here is my synopsis, FWIW:

    Joe McCarthy was right.
    Alinsky Rule # 5 regarding ridicule being man’s most potent weapon is in full force 24/7 by both government and media.
    McCarthy was portrayed as a fool.
    Most people only get their information from the alphabets who are now American PRAVDA
    The actual Russian Pravda is a more open source of info than our media (who would have imagined?)
    POtuS is a plant.
    Decades of planning while everyone was living their lives, trusting the government and never imagining America would ever change were finally implemented at warp speed when POtuS was elected. They knew their window of opportunity was short. Push through every destructive measure possible.
    POtuS was chosen because he is a person of color and, as such, all criticism can be chalked up to racism. Melanin is the new teflon.
    European immigration was suppressed. Third world immigration was encouraged. Educated people with skills still have to jump through hoops to gain entry to the U.S. while uneducated people who refuse to assimilate are encouraged to come here illegally.
    I R S is an extortion mob who has the authority to distribute tax paying Americans hard earned money to whoever they deem suitable (as long as they’re not white and educated) WE ARE SERFS!
    Voting is a joke. Anyone who still believes we have open elections is a fool.
    With few exceptions, Rs and Ds are one and the same. It’s a dog and pony show.
    Amnesty will pass.
    The End.

    Did I mention Joe McCarthy was right? 😉

    • Rosemary Woodhouse

      I omitted one important point. When POtuS said he was going to fundamentally change America he meant it. Too bad so few were paying attention,

    • Rosemary says it all, “Melanin is the teflon.”

      Yes, Joe was right. Awhile back I put just that on facebook, “Joe Mccarthy was right.”

      Amnesty is not about immigration. At all. It is about the USA becoming one and the same with Mexico. One big country fuel by the the little bit of wealth still created by American Patriots. Patriots = Serfs? Nope, Patriots = Slaves. If we lose our job, there are not going to be benefits to fall back on; those are for the faithful. There will be no choice but to work to eat. To survive. We are so close. So close.

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Thanks WAH!

        A VERY important edit

        European immigration was suppressed. Third world immigration was encouraged. Educated people with skills still have to jump through hoops to gain entry to the U.S. while uneducated people who refuse to assimilate are encouraged to come here ILLEGALLY!

      • I left out part of the story about putting “Joe McCarthy was right.” — How is this for a conversation between very adult daughter and mother, Explanations added in ( )

        “MOM – Oops, Joe McCarthy was right.
        DGHTR – (commenting on profile pic as Statue of Liberty with hands over face) #1 Your profile pic is traumatizing me because every time I see it I think it is you crying. #2 McCarhyism? Seriously? You may want to consider stepping outside your own head for a breather.
        MOM – Reading some history WAS my breather and I stepped out of my own pretty little head and shared he was right. About the pic; it fit the moment when I put it up and am just waitning for another pic to come along….The origianl was blood red; be glad I softened it to pink. Just think if it as me playing peek-a-boo wuth you. At times like this I wish I could pull an “Auntie” and say, “Well, Ex-coooooze me for living!”
        DGHTR – Auntie was paranoid and delusion, So your using it would just make you scarier. (Aunt was a maniac depressant misdiagnosed as whatever was in fashion each year for twenty-five years.)
        MOM – Ahh, yes she was, but I remember her humor before she was so, and her delivery of it was f.u.n.n.y to the max and was the perfect response. It was long before her sad days that she came up with this all-time funny response.
        DGHTR – Since you are the expert at deflection and justification, I am going to bow out this thread. I am concerned about the general mental health (borderline paranoid and suspicious thinking) of those on the fringes of political theory. Since it also concernes me to see it in your posts, I will unsubscribe from you in my news feed. Stay sane. You are my mother, and we need you.”

        Wonder what the daughter thinks now that all Mom said was correct? Would someone listening to NPR, taking college classes that always seem to revolve around women being picked on and everything progressive even know what was going on? Opposing the Regime makes one mentally unstable, don’t ya know? Ironically the daughter’s siblings think Mom is the smartest and bring their friends over to ask about the latest news stories. But then, they did not buy into woe-unto-me-because-I-am-a-woman of the liberal brainwashing facility (college).

        • On the topic of college students, I see a pattern of bright conservative-raised girls/women being manipulated and prescribed zoloft types of meds and turning them into very unhappy, miserable individuals who alienate themselves from family, who they now must hate and judge or put into a specific box. So much for tolerance. These gals are bright and are given all sorts of freebies and further education via grants and such and are literally, brainwashed, so the brightest and the best no longer will be available to fight the regime.

          Ain’t it grand to be able to talk about this stuff and know we can and were not wrong; just waaaay ahead of the curve?

          • It’s an old commie trick to label opponents “crazy” and then put them in gulags otherwise known as “insane asylums”, for their own good, of course.

    • Excellent treatise, RW. I agree 100%. He WAS right.

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Thank you all. We ARE all in this together, for better or worse.

        • Didn’t Ann Coulter write a book saying that McCarthy was right? Well, Ann’s right, too. 🙂

          • 9:33 pm —

            “… Ann’s right, too.”
            Not right about the ‘birther’ issues.

            Some reasons below:
            August 18,2010

            “Ann Coulter slams Farah as ‘swine,’ publicity whore”

            “She continued: “I will say that [Farah] could give less than two sh–s about the conservative movement – as demonstrated by his promotion of the birther nonsense (long ago disproved by my newspaper, human events, also sweetness & light, american spectator and national review etc, etc etc). He’s the only allegedly serious conservative pushing the birther thing. for ONE reason: to get hits on his website.”

            August 21, 2010

            “Conservative pundit Ann Coulter intensified her attacks on WND last night on Fox News Channel’s “Red Eye” show, …

            Coulter also repeated her claim that Barack Obama’s failure to prove his constitutional eligibility for office, raised by WND and of concern, according to recent polls, by at least 58 percent of the American people, are nothing more than a big joke.

            “He’s pushing the birther thing,” she said of Farah. “No one who is conservative believes in it either, someone who wants to get hits for his website may promote it.””


            • Well, at least she was right about McCarthy. As for the “birther thing,” there’re a lot of them who want to believe that there’s no substance to it, because they think Barry’s pulling an Alinsky trick. I think not. A lot of us think not (and we ARE conservatives). Time and history will tell who was right (but I know already). Nobody spends that kind of money for a joke, especially not a cheap-ass like Barry. Mooch would never let him unless her own livelihood depended upon it. Some also think because of how effective the obots are in their Alinsky tactics–ridiculing people as “tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists”–that in order to win the Republicans need to steer clear. And then there are the politically correct idiots like McLame. Whatever. History will show who was right and who was wrong.

          • May 1, 2013

            “Fox Video: Ann Coulter; Obama & Arthur Only pResidents Without Two U.S. Citizen Parents”


            bob68’s comment at ORYR:


            “Ann Coulter doesn’t either. I stopped watching her years ago. Another useless talking head providing legitimacy to an illegal alien, identity fraud con-artist of a pretend pResident.

            She can keep her opinions and her books.

            Coulter’s definition of natural born citizen was totally screwed up as was her statement about Arthur and Obama when she said their parents were the only presidential parents who were not born in America. She ignored the grandfather clause of Article 2 Section 1 from the Constitution and the parents of those presidents affected by the grandfather clause…….and she ignored the fact that ones parents do not have to be born in the U.S.A. for one to be a NBC, only that they are citizens at the time of the child’s birth. She also never mentioned “natural born” and used native born instead.

            NBC is not that hard to understand, are people like Coulter really unable to figure it out or are they consciously trying to confuse and obfuscate the issue?

            They cannot be as purely stupid as they pretend to be……..can they?”

          • Published on April 30, 2013

    • That’s been the truth for a long time. It happens everywhere, even in government, maybe especially in government, even in so-called “civil service” controlled agencies. Quotas are the name of the game. I even know of cases where, despite civil service rules, a person was brought in by a higher up and the manager was told: this is your new employee. No testing, no interviewing, no list of three most qualified. Nope. Just “hire her” or “hire him”. Against the rules and the law, but they do it all the time.

  15. From Karen Silkwood to Michael Hastings….. somethings wrong


  16. “Freudian Slip: Yahoo News Goes Birther; Reports Obama Won’t Stop By Kenya His Country Of Birth”
    By Rachel Rose Hartman @ Yahoo News via Free Republic

    “President Barack Obama makes the first extended trip to Africa of his presidency next week—but he won’t be stopping in the country of his birth.”

    “Note: Yahoo News has since changed the sentence to read, “but he won’t be stopping in his ancestral homeland.””




    “Classic cookie has new summer flavor that has some concerned about racist overtones”


  18. I found this buried on Drudge… it is a very good article to bring one up close to the scene on the Syrian streets. As you read the article it becomes very clear as to why we are there providing Troops, U.S resources and military training . You’ll come away confident that the purpose of our mission is to protect America and keep us safe from terrorists. You’ll instantly be on board with the Commander-In-Chief and accepting as to why we must support the good guys. Here’s your chance to meet a Syrian family and reconcile any confusion you may have had, thus far.


    • And this detailed article on the mission makes me wonder what foreign factions will come to our assistance when we are deemed dissidents and domestic enemies.


      • TY, Papoose. I wrote about that in my comment to your last comment. I’m responding to comments one at a time, so I just noticed you caught this, too.

        • Hi Miri. Thanks so much for all you do to keep us together.

          I saw that CW has a another great post up – like an old time newspaper article. He really gave a thorough report.


          • TY for the link. I usually do go over and check out what’s happening there, but forgot to today. I don’t know what to think about this foreign student stuff. It would help to SEE something concrete. Remember this one? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&

            “He spent four years as a child in Indonesia and attended schools in the Indonesian language, which he still speaks.

            “I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, http://www.nytimes.com/ontheground [that link doesn’t work, so after a lot of searching, I found one that MIGHT be the story he’s talking about: http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/obama-on-the-issues-and-his-grandfathers-wives/).”

            A little JAKARTA STREET KID. One who got himself adopted, like LIA DID? This is about Jakarta street kids.http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/blogs/jakarta-street-kids-on-the-right-track-to-a-better-future/

            We know he’s full of it, full of stories and myths and lies. But could it be possible that THIS TIME he told the truth? Only AFTER he began to live with Ann and Lolo, he lived a life of luxury. In that fancy house with the servants and his adopted sister Lia. Barry, who Lia says Ann went to “pick”. Barry, who’s told people he is a “desi”. So yeah, maybe he was obfuscating as usual. Making a “slumdog millionaire” myth for lapdog interviewers enthralled by his sheer exoticism. But what if he WAS telling the truth? What if both Lia and Barry were adopted by bleeding heart liberal Ann? It’s possible. Maybe he really WAS a foreign student and citizen of Indonesia. NEVER an American.

          • there’s no reply icon Miri, so here, in response to your comments about the “foreign student” report. just a comment –

            It irritates me every time i read or hear that barky was adopted by his step-father Lolo. Its a fact that once one is adopted the person becomes the father – no step about it. and when they speak of the fly by night from Kenya, he should be referred to as the “biological” father. biological being the politically correct term for ‘natural’. the libtards elite hate that word.

            Lolo Soetero is barky’s late father, according to the current narrative.

          • Good point, Papoose! I’ve probably been guilty of calling him his stepfather when he probably is TRULY his FATHER. If you adopt a kid, you become that kid’s father. Adoptions can’t be undone, can they? So BHO Sr. (IF he’s the biological sperm donor) is the BABY DADDY because we don’t even know for sure that SAD and he were EVER married. Where’s the marriage certificate? But Lolo is Barry SOETORO’s father. Great point.

            So many possibilities, aren’t there? I mean, SAD could have been married to BHO Sr. As the INS stated, maybe they planned to give their kid up for adoption and they DID give him up for adoption. But he’s not Barry Soetoro. There could have been a falling out after the birth, or maybe there never was a marriage. BHO Sr.’s “son”, as announced in the paper, went and got adopted, maybe even through Granny Sarah. Nobody knows what became of him. (Could be the David who died.)

            Maybe Barry found that kid’s birth certificate in a book when he’s going through Mom’s things after her death, and that’s the first he knows about her first marriage (if any) and this other child. But I think not. I think it was Ann who pulled the switcheroo. Barry’s the little “Jakarta street kid” that Ann adopted with her new husband, Lolo, IN JAKARTA. But she wanted to get him out of Indonesia, away from Lolo, so SHE decides to give him her first child’s identity. Possible? I think so, given these grifters. Something is extremely fishy about this story. Something BIG is being hidden. When he was ten, he assumed the identity of her first child. Maybe they’re even the same age. BHO Sr. came to Hawaii to help pull it off. Later, when Barry wants to go to Oxy, easy enough to revert back to his original identity. Then, again, later on, back to the other identity, when that’s convenient.

          • the reply icon is gone don there, again.

            yes, and further regarding the alleged biological father, that pos crap book should have been titled: Dreams of Some Guy from Kenya, I Heard About.

            Gotta love the POP poem, though. Sounds like a lot of truth, especially the part about his heightened olfactory sensations.

          • Rosemary Woodhouse

            You know what’s always stuck in my craw? A divorce decree without any evidence of a marriage. And Moocher-elle (my new favorite term of en-despisement) once clearly stated that SAD “was very young and very single WHEN SHE HAD HIM” No walking that back like the ancestral homeland/Kenya story. Y’all know that was coming. It was so obvious! I was waiting for it and was surprised it took so long. 🙄

            And speaking of “y’all” (I happen tho like the word a lot . It’s very useful) Paula Deen was fired from the Food Network because her apologies for for having used the “N” word…IN THE PAST….in her lifetime….were inadequate, apparently. This brings to mind the destruction of Michael Richard’s career after being heckled and resorting to using the word. In other news, they use the word non stop when addressing one another and in rap “songs” Michael Richards is a brilliantly funny man. Very sad. We MUST continue to denounce these double standards and expose them to the light of day.


            • Yes, another network ought to give Paula and Michael Richards their own show. Throw in Rush Limbaugh, too. He was fired from CNN for saying that some black quarterback is overrated on account of his skin color by white sportscasters. A legitimate observation, mainly because it seems to be true. Similar to how Barry is overrated on account of his alleged skin color.

          • 7:16 pm —
            Posted July 10, 2008
            From NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann

            Michelle Obama:

            “Obama used the roundtable audience, as she did yesterday, to describe her husband’s understanding of women’s issues through the prism of the strong — but sometimes struggling — women in his life.

            His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and very single when she had him.””


        • the last comment said …Blacks & Latins call the step dads DAD ..
          But different Mothers – then they say half – Mom ?


          • What gets me is when people mistake “step” for “half”. A step-sister is no blood relation; a half-sister is. These days, with so many blended families, half-siblings, baby daddies, etc. I’ll bet everybody does just settle on “sister” or “brother”. If Barry won’t call Maya anything but “sister” (not half-sister) maybe THAT’S a clue, too. I do think she has some resemblance to SAD, so likely is her biological child. Barry? Who knows? I never did find time to listen to the videos where Zullo says there’s no evidence SAD is his mother. I’d still like a transcript. If I find time, I’ll try to listen and pick out the important and new info, if any.

    • There’s news today that CIA admits that back in November (only 2 months after Benghazi) the CIA was TRAINING Syrian “rebels” in Turkey and Jordan. Gee, would those be the same places that they were probably SECRETLY funneling illegal arms through to Syria? I would say, YES!

      They KNOW that the truth will be out soon, if Congress gets it right on the Benghazi investigation. Therefore, what to do?

      Pull a Lois Lerner with a controlled leak and an in-advance justification. So now we see planted news stories telling us that the problem is that Barry didn’t intervene SOONER. McLame and other RINOs are giving him cover, pushing for us to arm the “rebels”. They KNOW he already did.

      So they’re going to get Congress to okay arming them NOW, even if they’re Al Qaeda, and they’re going to own up to the CIA’s actions in training them, which will give them any number of arguments to stave off people being angry when they learn the truth about Benghazi. They can say, “See, Obama was TRYING to intervene earlier, but Congress didn’t give the okay until now.”

      If anybody opposes it NOW, they’ll say, “Well, Congress and the Republicans approved.” And if it turns out they’re Al Qaeda and that was a stupid move? SHARED BLAME. Barry’s off the hook.

      They can also say, when it comes out that Barry WAS arming them before, through Stevens’s activities in Benghazi, “So what’s the big deal? Congress is okay with it now. They basically retroactively approved it.”

      They can also say, “See, Barry did the right thing by trying to help EARLIER.”

      It makes me sick to my stomach. They HAVE TO weasel out of this SOMEHOW in order to save Barry’s behind AND also save Hillary (make what she did okay) so that she can run in 2016. And McLame, her good friend, is once again going to help her.

      “What difference, at this point, does it make,” anyway? A HELL of a lot.

      • Another thought: They’re setting the stage to blame all the illegal gun running to Al Qaeda on the CIA (that means Petraeus and not Hillary. She knew nussing!)

  19. “…The FBI began seeking permission in 2009 from the Federal Aviation Administration to fly drones domestically and received authorization for its first operations a year later, according to documents released Thursday by the FAA..”


    They are used merely to scope the borders and keep us safe from imminent Canadian/Mexican invasion, it would seem.

    • Seems they ought to seek “permission” from somebody other than the FAA. Like We the People. What right do they have to spy on us? It’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

  20. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/irs-sent-23994-refund-checks-to-aliens-at-same-address-in-atlanta-sent-8393-refund-checks-to-same-bank-account/

    IRS Sent 23,994 Refund Checks to ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens at Same Address in Atlanta – Sent 8,393 Refund Checks to Same Bank Account

    … Maybe rather than targeting “Tea Party” activists they should have been targeting homes that collect more than twenty refund checks!
    But, no.
    CNS News reported, via Bizpac Review:

    The Internal Revenue Service sent 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers who all used the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

    That was not the only Atlanta address theoretically occupied by thousands of “unauthorized” alien workers receiving millions in federal tax refunds in 2011. In fact, according to a TIGTA audit report published last year, four of the top ten addresses to which the IRS sent thousands of tax refunds to “unauthorized” aliens were in Atlanta.

    The IRS sent 11,284 refunds worth a combined $2,164,976 to unauthorized alien workers at a second Atlanta address; 3,608 worth $2,691,448 to a third; and 2,386 worth $1,232,943 to a fourth.

    The IRS also sent 8,393 refund checks to the same bank account. …”


    • someone on the news also said federal tax refunds went to an address in morgington (sp. Morganton) North Carolina. I’d like to know what addresses in Atlanta and NC. addresses to whom?

  21. Yet they audit people like you and me. 🙄

  22. Abolish the IRS AND boycott the Food Network. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/paula-deen-canned-for-using-n-word-after-a-bank-robber-held-a-gun-to-her-head-in-1986/#disqus_thread

    Paula Deen Canned For Using N-Word After a Bank Robber Held a Gun to Her Head in 1986

    Deen acknowledged using the “N word” years ago once after she was held at gun point during a bank robbery in 1986 and a couple of times since then.

    Later today Paula Deen was canned from the Food Channel.
    CNN reported:

    The language in question was revealed recently as part of a deposition of Deen by Jackson’s lawyers in May.

    Jackson lawyer: “Miss Deen, have you told racial jokes?”

    Deen: “No, not racial.”

    Jackson lawyer: “Have you ever used the ‘N word’ yourself?

    Deen: “Yes, of course.”

    Deen testified that she probably used the racial slur when talking to her husband about “when a black man burst into the bank that I was working at and put a gun to my head.”

    “I didn’t feel real favorable towards him,” she said, referring to the robber.

    Jackson lawyer: “Have you used it since then?”

    Deen: “I’m sure I have, but it’s been a very long time.”

    That punishment seems a bit harsh. …”

    This is so disgusting. They are giving Paula Deen a raw deal. She told the truth, after all, unlike the Clintons, Holder, Barry. They put her under oath and then asked her a ridiculous question that NOBODY in the USA could truthfully say “no” to, and then they leaked it out (surely they did) and she is DESTROYED. Why? Because the progressives have been on her like white on rice from day one. She dared to be outspoken (she made a joke about Mooch http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/paula_deen_responds_obama_her_reported_qytMVHp0FwGDGXRwDBX7GM), she eats and promotes “unhealthy” food, and she represented Smithfield, which, iirc, is under fire because it’s not UNION. That’s just a bit of why progressives hate on her. Other reasons? She has the gall to be the queen of SOUTHERN cooking when that doesn’t fit the stereotype. She ought to be black, in their opinion. Soul food is black, you see. Also, she’s up from poor white trash roots. She’s not a trained chef who kowtows to elites (like Mooch and Barry and Savannah and others). They don’t like HER kind of single mother. She’s what I said, which is why they hate her. “White trash”. Same as they treated Sarah Palin.

    I would LOVE to get the looking-down-their-noses media types on the witness stand, UNDER OATH, and ask every last one of them who tsk-tsks at Deen whether THEY have EVER used ANY racial epithet (honky, cracker, spic, n-word) or EVER told ANY racial “joke” (including Polish jokes). Tell the truth. See if they do.

    Allegedly, Deen supports Barry. http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/21/n-word-user-paula-deen-is-an-obama-supporter/ I don’t even care if she does. This is a raw deal. Whether she has EVER used any racial epithet or told a racial joke in her life has NOTHING to do with the facts of the case. She ought to have demanded that her accuser and the lawyer and the judge answer the same questions. Matt Lauer? Al Roker?

    This is sandbagging. And it’s overkill. She MUST BE destroyed by political correctness. We hear worse EVERY DAY on MSNBC coming from black professors from Harvard. Case in point: http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/msnbc-panel-suggests-racist-motivation-pro-lifers-goal-reproducing-whiteness

    MSNBC Panel Suggests Racist Motivation by Pro-lifers, Goal of ‘Reproducing Whiteness’

    On Saturday’s Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC, substitute anchor Ari Melber hosted a panel of liberals fretting over Republican efforts to restrict abortion, with one guest even theorizing that Republicans are motivated by a racist desire to prevent white women from having abortions as a way of “reproducing whiteness, white supremacy, white privilege.”

    Melber seemed quite accepting of University of Pennsylvania Assistant Professor Salamisha Tillet’s preposterous idea of pro-lifers being motivated by racism as he responded:

    And you’re talking not only then about a potentially religious view about life, you’re talking about social control. I mean, that goes to some of these programs that are different than just necessarily a position that people disagree with. They also say, no, we need to go into the doctor’s room, we need to tell women under threat of, as I mentioned, criminalization of their doctor’s conduct or as a prerequisite to doing anything, how they should analyze their medical care, whether to have an ultrasound. Do you think that is a piece of it, too, the social control, Raul?

    Without noting that a disproportionately large percentage of women who have abortions are minorities, Assistant Professor Tillet theorized that Republicans are in a “panic” because of the growing number of minorities and characterized “women of color” as being “caught in the fray” when Republicans try to restrict abortion. Tillet:

    Well, I think, the Census just released data, so part of it is the changing racial demographics in the United States. For the first time in American history, children born under the age of five are racial, the majority of them are racial and ethnic minorities in the U.S.

    So I think that there’s a kind of moral panic, a fear of the end of whiteness that we’ve been seeing a long time in that I think, you know, Obama’s ascension as President kind of symbolizes to a certain degree. And so I think this is one response to that sense that there’s a decreasing white majority in the country and that women’s bodies and white women’s bodies in particular are obviously a crucial way of reproducing whiteness, white supremacy, white privilege. And so I think it’s just a kind of clamping down on women’s bodies, in particular white women’s bodies, even though women of color are really caught in the fray. …”

  23. Ambulance breaks down… bad timing…. + 19 photos 4 your album..


    • ” … According to Hastings’ colleague Cenk Uygur, the writer was, “incredibly tense and very worried, and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material,” and also a “nervous wreck” in response to the surveillance of journalists revealed by the AP phone tapping scandal and the NSA PRISM scandal.

      BuzzFeed editor Ben Smith added that Hastings had told friends and family “he was concerned that he was under investigation.”

      Another close friend who wishes to remain anonymous said that Hastings was “very paranoid that he was being watched by the FBI.”

      Following his role in bringing down Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, Hastings was told by a McChrystal staffer, “We’ll hunt you down and kill you if we don’t like what you write.” The Rolling Stone journalist also “had the Central Intelligence Agency in his sights” and was set to release an article exposing the agency, according to L.A. Weekly.

      Despite the fact that investigating whether or not a journalist who had made a number of enemies at the very top of the power structure could have been the target of an assassination is a perfectly legitimate question, news outlets have characterized such inquiry as being insensitive and crass.

      An example of this is The Week’s Marc Ambinder, who labels such talk as distasteful “trutherism,” despite acknowledging that Hastings’ death was “unusual”. …

      As one vehicle expert at The Truth About Cars website noted, “I’ve seen dozens of cars hit walls and stuff at high speeds and the number of them that I have observed to eject their power trains and immediately catch massive fire is, um, ah, zero. Modern cars are very good at not catching fire in accidents.”

      “As a Mercedes owner, these are the safest cars in the world,” added a Reddit user. “Explosion … fireball, engine [flies] down the block. Not your typical crash.” …”


  24. http://www.zdnet.com/anger-mounts-after-facebooks-shadow-profiles-leak-in-bug-7000017167/

    Anger mounts after Facebook’s ‘shadow profiles’ leak in bug

    Anger mounts after Facebook’s ‘shadow profiles’ leak in bug

    Summary: Facebook said Friday it fixed a bug that exposed contact info for over six million accounts. The admission revealed its ‘shadow profile’ data collection activities, and users are furious.

    Friday Facebook announced the fix of a bug it said inadvertently exposed the private information of over six million users when Facebook’s previously unknown shadow profiles accidentally merged with user accounts in data history record requests.

    According to Reuters, the data leak spanned a year beginning in 2012.

    The personal information leaked by the bug is information that had not been given to Facebook by the users – it is data Facebook has been compiling on its users behind closed doors, without their consent.

    A growing number of Facebook users are furious and demand to know who saw private information they had expressly not given to Facebook.

    Facebook was accidentally combining user’s shadow profiles with their Facebook profiles and spitting the merged information out in one big clump to people they ‘had some connection to’ who downloaded an archive of their account with Facebook’s Download Your Information (DYI) tool.

    According to the admissions in its blog, posted late Friday afternoon, Facebook appears to be obtaining users’ offsite email address and phone numbers and attempting to match them to other accounts. It appears that the invisible collected information is then being stored in each user’s ‘shadow profile’ that is somehow attached to accounts.

    Users were clearly unaware that offsite data about them was being collected, matched to them, and stored by Facebook. ...”

    Do read the entire thing. It’s long and takes some digesting. These “shadow profiles”, I believe, are the dossiers that I reported about somewhere, months ago, that I learned Facebook makes even for people that don’t have Facebook profiles! Even if you don’t USE Facebook, they build a dossier on you so that they can connect you to people who DO use Facebook. This was back when they first started letting people “like” posts on blogs, etc. That information is CARRIED ACROSS to Facebook and they then know who you are, say, on WordPress. That’s WHY it’s critical to NEVER, ever be logged into Facebook when you’re commenting at WordPress, using Google, etc. [Remember the obot who accidentally outed himself under his REAL NAME because he commented, he thought anonymously, but he was signed into Facebook and his comment went up under his REAL name?] Facebook does this across all domains on the Web. They read the cookies. Twitter is connected, too, iirc. They’re building these dossiers on you and then, voila! When the gummint comes calling via the NSA–they’ve done the work for them already. All they have to do is turn it all over to Big Brother. Of course, there’s no telling what FALSE information they have in those dossiers. I still haven’t read the whole article. Will comment more if anything of interest is there.

    • https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/obama-lost-it-we-found-it-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-56681 That’s another one. I can’t find the comment where I linked to stories from several years ago that talked about how Facebook, Twitter, Google, EVEN ANCESTRY were sharing information about you via cookies implanted on your machine, surreptitiously, and from there they TRACK YOU ALL ACROSS THE WEB via your REAL identity IF you gave it to any of them.

    • Another reason to NOT use “Facebook”:

      “The Zeus malware that drains bank accounts is back — and this time it’s alive and well on Facebook.

      TrendMicro recently published a chilling graph that demonstrated the resurgence of this classic Trojan virus which a Russian crime syndicate known as the Russian Business Network uses to steal money from victim’s bank accounts. …”


    • They updated that page with Facebook’s response, which is basically to blame the customers for not reading between the lines to figure out what they’re doing. What it seems like to me is that they provided your “friends” with a service: importing their email address books, which contain everybody they know’s email addresses. Then they combined these addresses with other people’s profiles, if they found a match on the names.

      So, in essence, YOUR PRIVATE email addresses, which you chose NOT to share with Facebook but did share, for example, with your Mom, can end up attached to YOUR Facebook profile, even when you specifically never shared that address with Facebook (and probably for a reason)!

      So you are at the mercy of every one of your friends who know information about you (such as your private email addresses). You must hope that every one of your friends is smart enough to realize that when they use Facebook’s “services” they are giving away to Facebook and the government stuff that YOU YOURSELF have not decided to give away.

      It’s like they’re tricking your family and friends into spying on you. Into providing the government with YOUR PRIVATE IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.

      They of course already do this with photos. You cannot stop someone from putting YOUR PHOTO on his or her Facebook page AND identifying you by name. Then the government and Facebook can use their nifty facial recognition software and identify you EVERYWHERE ELSE that your photo might appear. It’s another neat “service”, you see.

      So the only way to get around this is to make sure your relatives and friends don’t put your photo on Facebook (probably TOO LATE) and/or tell them to only identify you by some nickname that only your friends know. But that won’t work, either, because sooner or later somebody somewhere will make a “mistake” and call you by your real name or your relationship to them and then the jig is up. If, for example, your kid puts “Mom” to identify a photo, then how hard is it for Facebook’s software to figure out exactly what “Mom’s” real name is?

      Of course, you also have to make sure that your friends don’t use email address books and/or don’t upload them to Facebook. That’s impossible, too.

      In Orwell’s book 1984, he predicted Big Brother, but the one thing he didn’t foresee was the capitalism angle–that Big Brother would turn out to be Big Business in league with Big Brother Barry and Big Sis Naps.

      • oh gals, I dislike fb so much. I had it for about 2 years and quit when they forced their “Timeline” on me. Really did not like the timeline thing. Early on when I entered the blog o sphere I left fb on and zipped over to somewhere (I think a yahoo news) to check on a comment I’d made and it had a picture next to my name that wasn’t there when I posted the comment. It was a fb pic of that was sideways and also had been deleted from my fb picture album. I freaked out. That’s when I knew nothing disappeared even when it was deleted. When I closed my fb window and went back to the comment again the pic disappeared. There are some good things about it but not enough to have it.

        • One nearly cannot function without having some exposure to FB. If you want to know what kids are up to …

          That Timeline is horrible and the whole system is very user UNfriendly. It’s impossible to find out how to do anything. (I tried yesterday to figure out what their “import address” function is, but I couldn’t even FIND it to test it out.)

          Whenever they change something, they also seem to restore “defaults” which means you have to constantly check that your settings, especially the privacy ones, are intact. (As if you can really ever tell what others can see or not see.)

          Whenever you use FB, what you should do to be careful: Close all browser windows. Delete all cookies and history. Open one browser window. Log into FB and do your thing. Then, close that one browser window and DELETE ALL COOKIES AND HISTORY. Do NOT, while in FB, go to other webpages, use search engines, open other browser windows, blog, read email or ESPECIALLY sign into any other functions. Then make sure you delete cookies and clear browsing history when done with Facebook and before you go back to normal Web browsing or using blogging. This applies also to using Ancestry, Google searches, Twitter, and email now, too, since some of the email providers (like GMAIL and Yahoo!) also provide this trans-domain “service” to SHARE what you don’t want shared.

    • Amazingly enough, ALL OF THESE discrepancies in his information are ERRORS, TYPOS, MISTAKES, MISSPEAKING, MISQUOTING, ETC. Even typos and errors on critical government documents (like birth certificates and social security cards) where clerks are TRAINED to be sure it’s right, where other clerks double check that it’s right, and where computer programs even spit out “exceptions” to give them yet another chance to catch “errors”. His records are eaten by bugs or burned in fires, too. What are the odds?

      If that’s not enough, this stretches to his parents, too. THEIR data is missing, lost, contains typos and mistakes, too. And his mother. The writer neglects to mention that her name was originally Shirley Ann Dunham. Not to mention all of BARRY’S aliases! It never ends.

    • I forgot to answer your query about Sarruf. Yeah. That’s the “Mal and Val” theory put forth by some at Free Republic. Dr. P. has her photo morphing into Barry’s face.

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