Waiting for the Other Shoe to Drop (Open Thread)

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We the People are waiting for the other shoe to drop. When will the Cold Case Posse release that “irrefutable” evidence that proves that Obama’s long-form birth certificate, as posted on the White House blog, is forged?

When will Glenn Beck explain what it is that he says will bring down the “power structure” and reverberate throughout Washington DC and beyond? We’re waiting to be “rocked” (as if we haven’t been rocked over the past 5 years).

What is it that caused Senator Ted Cruz to tell Beck recently (according to Beck today) that Beck is at risk of being imprisoned, just as Cruz’s own family was persecuted in Cuba?  What do they know?  What will be revealed, if anything?

We’re waiting to hear more about the Scandalanche of scandals, all of which should bring down at least some of the power structure in this government.

All the lying liars of the Obamanation: Will they EVER be brought to justice?  While we’re waiting and waiting and waiting for the other shoe to drop …

Another Open Thread!!

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117 responses to “Waiting for the Other Shoe to Drop (Open Thread)

  1. New open thread. Is this it? Glenn Beck talks about how immigration reform is going to divide DC and determine the fate of the Tea Party. They will call opponents racist and throw everything at them, he says. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/13/revolt-among-republicans-on-immigration-bill-70-house-members-risk-careers-in-planned-showdown-with-leadership/

    Revolt Among Republicans on Immigration Bill: 70 House Members Risk Careers in Planned Showdown With Leadership

    Seventy House Republicans are planning a politically risky showdown with Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to try to force additional debate on an immigration bill they say will mean amnesty for illegal immigrants and have dire consequences for the country.

    The 70 members are petitioning for a special Republican conference meeting on the bill, a “highly unusual” move to go head-to-head with the speaker, according to Reps. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Steve King (Iowa) and Louie Gohmert (Texas), who are serving as spokespersons for the group.

    Bachmann, King and Gohmert told TheBlaze the group is invoking the Hastert Rule: requiring support from a majority of the majority to bring a bill forward.

    The petition is expected to go to the House leadership on Friday, but it’s possible some signatories might remove their names due to political risk, or that Boehner could head off the challenge by striking a deal. Going against leadership in such a way could have harsh political consequences for the signatories, including retaliation such as permanently getting passed over for chairmanship positions.

    A Boehner spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.

    Boehner is on a tight schedule for getting immigration reform passed in the House, [WHY?] predicting this week that Congress could finalize a bill for President Barack Obama’s signature by the end of the year. Any major challenge could ignite pushback from the American public that could force lawmakers to scrap the bill, as happened in the 2007 immigration effort. [What’s wrong with scrapping the bill if We the People DON’T WANT IT, as we didn’t want Obamacare? For whom does Boehner work?]

    The three representatives told TheBlaze that more than half of the Republicans in the House were elected after 2007, and have no concept of how strongly the public opposed the bill.

    In an interview with World Net Daily this week, Bachmann predicted that if the immigration bill becomes law, “the whole political system will change.” …”

    Last night on Hannity, Ann Coulter said that “if the GOP is this stupid, they deserve to die.” http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-06-12.html

    They may deserve it, but we don’t. We the People have GOT TO oppose this “immigration reform” known as AMNESTY. And NOW IS THE TIME. None of the provisions of that bill that supposedly will secure the border or prevent citizenship for illegal trespassers will mean ANYTHING to an administration that IGNORES the law and the Constitution.

    • http://nationalreview.com/corner/350856/flake-border-enforcement-time-different-because-they-have-submit-plan-jonathan-strong

      “… Flake conceded that DHS hasn’t always acted in good faith on enforcing the border. “There was, a while ago, one report where they cited increased apprehensions as a measure of success in one sector and decreased apprehensions as a measure of success in another sector. So they haven’t been exactly straight,” he said.

      But this time is different because “we require a plan. They have to submit a plan before anybody achieves RPI [registered provisional immigrant] status. It has to be submitted. They have to tell us how they are going to reach 90 percent effectiveness. And then, after a five year period, if they don’t, the commission kicks in, the commission makes recommendations,” Flake said.

      If DHS does not reach “90 percent effectiveness,” “there are consequences, they kind of lose authority to submit their own plan,” Flake said. “We’ll submit it for them, or this commission will.” He added, “I think there’s significantly more pressure on the Department of Homeland Security now then there has been in the past, and I hope that it works.”

      After decades of ineffective enforcement by the federal government, his critics may not have the same hope that Flake does in new bureaucratic plans.

      A plan. They have to have a plan! Not implement it, just have it.

      http://washingtonexaminer.com/marco-rubio-i-should-have-been-more-artful-in-immigration-remarks/article/2531760

      “… In the conversation, Hannity referred to earlier Rubio appearances in which the two discussed the role of border security in the Gang of Eight bill. “I remember when I first interviewed you about this,” Hannity said to Rubio, “and I asked you very specifically, do you support border security first, and your answer was yes.”

      “Right, but it is border security before the green card,” Rubio responded. [SECURITY or the “plan”?] “The problem is in the interim you have to do something with the people who are here illegally so we know who they are.”

      The exchange highlighted the confusion that exists about the Gang of Eight bill even among well-informed followers of the issue. From the very beginning, the Gang of Eight bill has provided for the near-immediate legalization of the 11 million, once they have undergone a background check, [and what’s to stop the fast-track half-assed check like they did with the Dreamers?] paid a fine, [Right. I believe that! How much? How will it be determined and enforced?] and the Department of Homeland Security comes up with, but does not actually implement, a plan for enhanced border security. In broad terms, the sequence of events laid out in the bill is legalization first, then new border security measures, [Again, is that the “plan” or actual SECURITY?] and then green cards and a path to citizenship. …”

      Got that? I don’t. There’s NOTHING in there to prevent this “path to citizenship” and nothing that I see that prevents them from CHANGING that unilaterally, by executive fiat, after the “law” is passed. Barry controls the INS and it’s policies. Do they have provisions to keep him from just declaring the path to citizenship, like he did for the Dreamers? Do they have provisions to prevent him from accelerating the USUAL time period between green card and citizenship? I bet not. This is a Trojan Horse with poison pills in it, fo shizzle, just like Obamacare. Count on it.

  2. Or is it this? http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/shock-claim-glenn-beck-has-hacked.html

    I’m not quoting it because it sounds like rumor or speculation, but it’s always a possibility.

    So I’m listening to Beck, which I ordinarily don’t. He’s crying and melodramatic but revealing NOTHING. Says only that we all must stand up. That when the Judgment comes, we’ll be judged on what we did now to save FREEDOM, when it is most at risk.

    He’s saying, now, that the immigration thing is going to affect the 2014 elections. Cause chaos. Cause rioting and racial discord. Deliberately creating chaos to distract from the Scandalanche. Financial chaos, too. (Launches into a Gold Line commercial.)

    • btw, Beck has a new book out, fiction, but sounds like Big Brother and the NSA spying. I’m just sayin’.

    • So sick of Glenn’s spiritual soppiness and trying to be some big, great spiritual leader of the country. Brilliant man reducing himself to a huckster.

      • That thought ran through my mind when seeing his new hardback “Molech” on the shelf at the store with his picture on the front.

    • there’s always been something about Beck, especially when I saw him doing that spiritual event in Isarael and he was kissing up to that Ashkenazi Rabi Metzger, hmmm, the same one Joseph Ndesandjo smoozed with during his questionable visit to Israel. Then of course why did he spend just a short time at Yale with the help of the Jewish LIB-ertarian neocon Leiberman, why, why, I ask myself. Then of course he always goes on about his grandfather when necessary, you know the one who worked at BOEING. Like you said, then he lauches into a GOLD LINE commercial. How and why would Lieberman want this guy to go to Yale? What really happened to Beck’s mother? He’s just weird and a spokesman for the H.egalans.

      • that last word Hegelian, the philosphy for keeping two sides in friction for a purposeful reaction….that of course is my looney brained discription of a complex philosophy to long to espound on here…named after Hegel. The Hegelian Dialectict.

        • from 2009; check out the tags at the end.

          http://jamesfive19.com/blog/?p=816

          • Pap,, that is a little treasure trove of a link. Stuff I never knew. About GM: It is correct but I see how much further and deeper the GM thing is going. They are creating chaos for non-unionized and/or very successful family-controlled businesses making parts to their vehicles with the end result to be the companies hurt too much with the fines and new costs to fix all the problems they create, making perfectly good parts defective, blaming the vendor who has to try to fix something in their process that caused the problem (but did not). Big-time sabotage. They also set up moles in these companies via the contract worker system. These moles seems to be everywhere there is a quality or production problem but never actually have their hands on the problem. These people have union dna which I recognize, even though they incognito, as I was raised in the thick of union family, programming, and mindset. The funny thing is because of my upbringing they are drawn to a familiarity and feeeel connected to me and without thinking talk and revert to their natural form when with me; they assume because of the familiarity that I am one of them and in on the ‘game’. The company goes down, sells, and a green energy company buys to rescue with new work/jobs and management. This goes under and boom — in steps the gov openly to rescue. And no one stops to wonder where all the monies went from Dept of Energy loans and bailouts the green energy product company procured. I realize this is sort of a vague post and talking in circles. I leave it for you to glean from and make sense of this stuff.

      • alfy, as usual, you are a treasure trove of info and details. You and Leza have the best memories! I’m sincerely jealous. I used to have, but no longer. I suspect both of you are younger.

        • I suspect both of you are younger….I’ll go with that 🙂 lol. Actually your too kind Miri, as I think I maybe older than you. But hey, they say your only as old as you feel, so that puts me around 109 😉

          • I think I maybe older than you = I think maybe I maybe older than you.

            I swear,it’s my computer! I type all the word’s but when they post some of the word’s end up missing!

            Anyway….

            Alfy regarding Liberman….In 2007 Obama said Liberman was his mentor.

            I just happened to come across these two articles a few day’s ago –

            Lieberman, Farrakhan welcome a meeting

            Both say it can bridge racial, religious divides

            September 27, 2000

            BY JODI ENDA
            FREE PRESS WASHINGTON STAFF

            WASHINGTON — Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, and the Rev. Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam, said Tuesday they would like to meet to try to repair relations between black Americans and Jews.

            Lieberman, who is an Orthodox Jew, and Farrakhan, who last month questioned whether Lieberman would be loyal to the United States or Israel, said the climate is right to reach across religious and racial divides. In separate interviews with American Urban Radio, both said they are willing to take some heat for meeting.

            “I am very open to that,” the Connecticut senator said, referring to the meeting. “Minister Farrakhan said a few things earlier in the campaign that were just not informed. But I have respect for him, and I have respect for the Muslim community generally, very profound respect.”
            ~~~~
            In his radio interview, Farrakhan said that Lieberman, “being an Orthodox Jew and a man of faith, could be a bridge that would build good relations between not only the blacks and the Jewish community, but the Arabs, Muslims and the Jewish community.”

            During the Democratic National Convention last month, Lieberman worked to ease the concerns of black voters by telling the Congressional Black Caucus that he always has supported affirmative action, despite having questioned it publicly in the past. He also explained that, despite his past support for school voucher experiments, he opposes shifting money from public to private schools.

            http://web.archive.org/web/20001102041423/http://www.freep.com/news/politics/lieber27_20000927.htm
            ____________

            Democrats employ new faces to help mobilize vote

            November 3, 2000

            BY COREY DADE
            FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

            When Minister Dawud Muhammad [Muhammad work’s with Farrakhan] of the Nation of Islam entered a Detroit meeting of local Democrats earlier this fall, many in the room were shocked by his presence.

            His attendance surprised many who don’t consider the Detroit religious leader among the region’s political elite. But after he issued a rousing challenge to the party to carry its message into the neighborhoods, awkward stares gave way to applause.

            Muhammad’s presence is part of local Democrats’ big push to get their supporters to the polls through the grassroots appeal of groups outside the traditional circle of political influence.

            The bedfellows get even stranger as cooperation of local political enemies increases long enough to coax a big turnout from Detroit’s 614,000 registered voters.

            Other voting blocs in Southfield, Pontiac, Dearborn and elsewhere that have concentrations of minorities and traditionally low-turnout precincts are being targeted, particularly by Democrats.
            ~~~~~
            “I don’t see it as overcoming differences. We still want to recall Dennis Archer,” said Cardinal Baye Landy of the Black Slate. “But there is a super interest that we have in getting (Vice President Al) Gore elected …beyond any of our personal differences that become petty at this level.”
            ~~~~~
            “Look, if we’re going to win this, we’re going to have to bring everybody to the table,” Budu-Watkins said. “We’re going to have to smile and put the other stuff to the side.”

            http://web.archive.org/web/20001213060600/http://www.freep.com/news/politics/zdems3_20001103.htm

            • They go to DC and completely lose their minds. Egomania and power madness set in. That’s all I can come up with to explain such stupidity.

          • RADICAL ISLAM’S ALLIANCE WITH THE SOCIALIST LEFT

            The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic structure, and seeks to facilitate that structure’s downfall by any means necessary — including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective. One seemingly unlikely alliance that the socialist left has forged is its alliance with radical, fundamentalist Islam, which emphatically and unambiguously rejects virtually everything for which the socialist left claims to stand: the peaceful resolution of international conflict; respect and tolerance for other cultures and faiths; civil liberties; freedom of expression; freedom of thought; human rights; democracy; women’s rights; gay rights; and the separation of church and state.

            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291

          • Maybe Lieberman was O.’s mentor long enough to get him a SS# and help with the Jewish vote…..oh, such a kindly gesture form one Ivey Leager to another. Or maybe Lieberman schooled Obama on the finer economic issues of Goldman Sachs ect.

          • Could be Alf. Maybe Farrakhan asked Liberman while building their “bridge” for some consideration?

          • I feel 109 physically and 26 mentally. 🙂

          • Leza,

            The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic structure, and seeks to facilitate that structure’s downfall by any means necessary — including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective.

            Now consider that the World Trade Center towers were arguably the most well-known symbol of capitalism in the entire world. Bringing about those capitalist structures’ literal downfall, by any means necessary, would be a goal of not only Jihadists but also radical communists. Now consider a self-described radical communist who had previously set off bombs in the U.S. Capitol building and Pentagon, and who had given his children Islamic names. If there is any U.S. citizen who had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, I think Bill Ayers is the most likely suspect.

            A Different “9/11 Truth”

            Bill Ayers… the man whose Columbia connections likely played a role in creating the Columbia cover story for Obama and helped him get into Harvard with what I expect was a forged Columbia transcript and a wealthy-Muslim-arranged recommendation letter from Malcom X’s lawyer Percy Sutton.



      • “Then of course why did he spend just a short time at Yale with the help of the Jewish LIB-ertarian neocon Leiberman,”
        Beckie spent time at Yale with the help of??

  3. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/13/supreme-court-gene-breast-ovarian-cancer-patent/2382053/

    Justices rule human genes cannot be patented

    The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that human genes cannot be patented, a decision with both immediate benefits for some breast and ovarian cancer patients and long-lasting repercussions for biotechnology research.

    The decision represents a victory for cancer patients, researchers and geneticists who claimed that a single company’s patent raised costs, restricted research and sometimes forced women to have breasts or ovaries removed without sufficient facts or second opinions.

    But the court held out a lifeline to Myriad Genetics, the company with an exclusive patent on the isolated form of genes that can foretell an increased genetic risk of cancer. The justices said it can patent a type of DNA that goes beyond extracting the genes from the body.

    Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the decision for a unanimous court. “Myriad did not create anything,” Thomas said. “To be sure, it found an important and useful gene, but separating that gene from its surrounding genetic material is not an act of invention.”

    The compromise will not stop other scientists from providing genetic diagnostic testing now that the patent on the two genes themselves has been lifted.

    “The court struck down a major barrier to patient care and medical innovation,” said Sandra Park, senior staff attorney with the ACLU Women’s Rights Project. “Myriad did not invent the BRCA genes and should not control them.

    “Because of this ruling, patients will have greater access to genetic testing, and scientists can engage in research on these genes without fear of being sued,” Park said. …”

  4. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2013/06/13/roger-ailes-wows-conservatives-in-accepting-bradley-prize/?print=1

    “Roger Ailes wows conservatives in accepting Bradley prize

    … To vigorous applause, he implied that the Obama administration had abandoned its duty to protect American diplomats and personnel during last year’s attacks in Benghazi, Libya. “I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t even care what the president of the United States was doing that night,” he said. “However, I would like to know what the commander-in-chief was doing that night.” …

    Ailes offered a spirited critique of multiculturalism:

    “We must stop waving our extended arms in an effort to balance ourselves as we tiptoe along the edges of the Constitution in an effort not to upset weak-kneed appeasers with our unflinching belief in the ideas that made our country different and, yes, great,” he said. “Are we losing America to the inevitable onrushing tide of history? No. But we’re in a storm, the mast is broken, the compass is off , and there’s a damn big hole in the boat. We have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by others, many of whom want to impose their culture and laws under the manufactured utopian idea that all all cultures are equal and most of them are better than America….America is a culture, it has a culture, and it must be recognized….We must not allow our collective memory to fade or morph into trendy revisionist versions of political correctness, which become a substitute for the truth.” …”

  5. What’s missing from this story? http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22569251/bicyclist-beaten-while-riding-dc-bike-trail#axzz2W3T0Ui2V

    Bicyclist beaten while riding on Metropolitan Branch Trail

    A Silver Spring man is recovering at home after he was severely beaten while riding his bicycle on a trail that runs through the Eckington section of Northeast D.C.

    The victim told police he was attacked without warning and for no apparent reason by a group of teens as he rode north from NoMa.

    The man had just finished work and was riding home when he encountered 10 to 15 teenagers walking in the opposite direction.

    The 37-year-old Silver Spring resident told FOX 5 by phone one of the teens, a male, broke off from the group and hit him in the face with a closed fist. …”

    Knockout “game” hits DC, huh? Wait! Not a hate crime. Just teens being teens. Check out the first comments on that story and this followup story. http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22577278/rangers-to-start-patrols-at-metropolitan-branch-trail-after-assault#axzz2W77em11J

    Everybody notices the political correctness and the media bias. Everybody notices that what’s NOT said tells you as much as what IS said. If these were white kids attacking blacks, it would be nationwide, front page news.

  6. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/obama-administration-thugs-threaten-state-department-whistleblower-and-her-kids/

    ” … The State Department whistleblower is Aurelia Fedenisn. She worked in the department’s inspector general’s office until her retirement in December 2012. According to USA Today, she has sought protection as an official whistleblower after the State Department directly threatened her, once at her home. It threatened her with criminal charges when she turned over documents to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) showing evidence that the department had watered down her report, in which she alleged that the department at the highest levels had scuttled eight investigations into a range of criminal wrongdoing.

    Dallas lawyer Damon Mathias, who represents Fedenisn, said Fedenisn hired him after two diplomatic security agents spoke in a threatening manner to her teenage children at her home in a Virginia suburb of Washington. The agents arrived at the home to talk to Fedenisn about documents Fedenisn had given to Cruz and told the teens that they demanded to speak to their mom immediately, Mathias said…

    …Mathias says Fedenisn’s claim is that agents from State’s Diplomatic Security and other divisions engaged in very questionable and possibly criminal conduct; the Inspector General has been hampered in performing its oversight role; “and the findings they wanted to put in the report end up being left out,” Mathias said. “So you have a coverup of the coverup.”

    When Fedenisn and her lawyers met with lawyers for the Office of the Inspector General, the government lawyers demanded she hand over the documents or they would refer the matter to the Department of Justice and Fedenisn would face criminal prosecution, Mathias said.

    “They made it clear that they would go after her criminally,” he said.

    We refused to turn over the documents” and Fedenisn is now seeking whistle-blower protection, he said. …”

    Could one of these be the document that Beck’s people saw? He did meet with Ted Cruz recently. This sounds very much like Obot tactics. That blogger who was visited by the SS recently said the same thing–that they spoke to his young daughter to terrorize her, too.

    • http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/state-dept-investigator-order-to-stop-state-investigation-came-from-higher-up-video/

      That’s a followup story about how HIGHER UPS in the Dept. of State shut down the investigation into the ambassador to Belgium over allegations of prostitution and pedophilia. My question: is he gay? I’m just askin’. It would fit. Well, Wikipedia mentions a wife, so … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Gutman Choice tidbits from Wiki:

      “Gutman is a summa cum laude graduate of Columbia University (1977) and a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School (1980). [Barry’s almae matres, but not exactly his contemporary.]

      “Gutman also once represented Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground accused, but never indicted or convicted, in the 1981 Brinks robbery in post-conviction, constitutional litigation. [There we have it; what a surprise!]

      “Speaking at a legal conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Union on November 30, 2011, Gutman talked about historic antisemitism, as well as a trend he described as “a tension and perhaps hatred largely born of and reflecting the tension…in the Middle East over the continuing Israeli-Palestinian problem“. He added that “an Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty will significantly diminish Muslim anti-Semitism.” The comments were quoted by a number of news outlets based on an initial account from newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, after which Gutman received high-profile criticism from a number of rival politicians, including Republican presidential candidates Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. Gutman issued a statement saying “I deeply regret if my comments were taken the wrong way“, highlighting his history of condemning and combating anti-semitism, and making reference to his background as the son of a Holocaust survivor.”

      “A State Department whistleblower claims that an Inspector General’s report accused Gutman of soliciting prostitutes and minors for sex while serving as Ambassador, but that Undersecretary of State Patrick F. Kennedy ordered it removed from the report. Gutman denies the accusations as “baseless” and the State Department adamantly denied that any allegations of questionable or illegal behavior by diplomats have been covered up, and that any proven wrongdoing would be punished administratively or prosecuted criminally …”

      “Gutman has long been active in Democratic politics, working on policy issues, speech writing, constituency work, legal representation, and media. He also has helped raise money for Democratic presidential, gubernatorial, and congressional candidates, including Al Gore’s presidential campaign in 2000. Gutman served on the legal team representing Gore in the Supreme Court case Bush v. Gore.

      According to OpenSecrets.org, in 2008, Gutman was part of the Obama National Finance Committee and later a trustee on the Presidential Inauguration Committee. Gutman and his wife, Michelle Loewinger, have contributed at least $86,150 to Democratic candidates, parties and committees since 1989. Gutman contributed the legal maximum of $2300 to Bill Clinton’s presidential bid. Both he and his wife contributed the legal maximum of $4600 a piece to Obama’s presidential run. Gutman bundled at least half a million for Obama’s campaign committee and another $275,000 for his inauguration.”

  7. Finally after a very long time received a delayed bc for DS. Right on the cert is listed
    “Documentary Evidence: Application for Original Social Security Number Social Security Administration, dated XX/XX/XXXX, Medical Record (in here named Ritual Circumcision provider), dated XX/XX/19XX, Affidavit of Personal Knowledge XXXXXX XXXXXX, Sister, dated XX/XX/XXXX, Birth Record of Sibling, City, County, State, dated, xx/xx/xxxx”

    I left out names, dates, locations on purpose. This is listed on the official birth certificate just issued. I have a pic of it with personals cut out but can’t upload on contact page. Also included his file number issued to our case when first discovered there was no record of his birth and contacted the state. At least I think that is what it is. Interesting.

    • You could send it to wtpotus at yahoo, if you want to. (If you don’t trust yahoo, I can set up a hushmail. Just let me know. We had one, but it expired.)

      It’s not necessary to send it, though. We got the picture (pun intended). This confirms that states require listing of the history and the documentary evidence right there on the certificate. iirc, butterdezillion said something to the effect that delayed certificates cannot be considered valid under the “full faith and credit” clause and must, if entered into any legal issue, be authenticated, meaning that a court queries all the evidence-suppliers under oath, certifies the documents, etc. That’s why if Barry’s bc is delayed or late, it’s evidence of NOTHING, which even Hawaii acknowledges that as fact. So any court would have to get the original stuff from Hawaii, with testimony from them under oath, that they stand behind the accuracy of the claims made therein. NONE of them in Hawaii have EVER done this. NEVER.

      • Sent to e m ail at ya h o o.

        • I don’t care if post. I think though I forgot to cut out (not blackout) the state file #. In the top left corner of the cert are
          LF_____________
          CF_____________

          Both lines are left blank. Any idea what those are, ‘LF’ and ‘CF’?
          Also, the cert does not have an individual seal. Instead in the bottom corners, as part of the paper stationary, are the front of the seal (left corner) and the back of the seal (right corner). Both are subtly raised but cannot figure out if raised to the back or to the front.

          All these changes seem to make it less official. To me.

          • Sorry, but I forgot to go look at it. I don’t have a lot of time today, so may not get to it. Maybe I’ll save it and not post? Unless you want me to, and then I’ll try to redact what you’re concerned about first.

      • You all know this but it is new to me and I wonder if Barry actually claimed his inheritance from Granny Maddy; I don’t know about HI but this statement is posted on information about delayed bc’s on quite a few state gov. sites (including CA):
        “Unlike regular birth certificates, delayed birth certificates are
        not accepted as evidence in any proceeding involving estates
        of decedents, or in any
        proceeding to establish heirship,
        unless the affidavit of at least one person who knew the facts
        was filed at the time the delayed birth certificate was
        registered.”

        How was his heirship determined for the inheritance?

        • Who knows? Remember, only Mark was able to collect from BHO Sr.’s estate. because only Ruth (of all the mothers) had documentation for his birth (it was said). ALTHOUGH, David was still alive and so should have been collecting and similarly documented, right? Funny how Auma didn’t mention him during that discussion. He should have inherited and then his heir should have inherited from him! However, we know Barry got the money because, iirc, it was on his tax return that year. It may have been in the form of a named beneficiary or a “POD” designation and who’s going to question the identification of the person known as the president. (Or maybe I should call him the alleged president previously known as Soebarkah.) What you found is indeed true in Hawaii, too–that delayed certificates aren’t accepted as true without authentication by a court. That’s what butterdezillion has said before. If he didn’t qualify to inherit from BHO Sr.’s estate (given that it sounds as if there were people contesting the will, if any) then it may be exactly because AT THAT TIME he had no original birth certificate OR he had only a delayed one created at some point after his alleged birth in Hawaii in 1961. It may be that in 2007, when they were admittedly gathering all the documents they could in preparation for his run for the presidency, they learned there’s no Hawaiian birth certificate and THAT’S when he got Granny to sign an affidavit and that’s the first time they created a bc for him. (Although how he functioned prior to that, I haven’t a clue. I do remember reading years ago that Barry never had a U.S. passport until he was a Senator. If that’s true (and I don’t know how the writer knew this) then how did he travel for years overseas? It must have been a UK passport, a Kenyan passport, or an Indonesian passport.)

  8. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/06/13/Washington-Post-Family-Relations-between-media-obama-officials-does-not-affect-coverage

    Check out all the connections that do NOT affect news coverage one iota!

    ” … The size and scope of this is bad enough. But what is most troubling is how high up this incest occurs in the worlds of both the media and the Obama administration:

    ABC News President Ben Sherwood, who is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, a top national-security adviser to President Obama.
    His counterpart at CBS, news division president David Rhodes, is the brother of Benjamin Rhodes, a key foreign-policy specialist.
    CNN’s deputy Washington bureau chief, Virginia Moseley, is married to Tom Nides, who until earlier this year was deputy secretary of state under Hillary Rodham Clinton.
    White House press secretary Jay Carney’s wife is Claire Shipman, a veteran reporter for ABC.
    NPR’s White House correspondent, Ari Shapiro, is married to a lawyer, Michael Gottlieb, who joined the White House counsel’s office in April.
    The Post’s Justice Department reporter, Sari Horwitz, is married to William B. Schultz, the general counsel of the Department of Human Services.
    [VP] Biden’s current communications director, Shailagh Murray (a former Post congressional reporter), is married to Neil King, one of the Wall Street Journal’s top political reporters.

    This list doesn’t even include those dating and sleeping together. And if you’ve seen “House of Cards,” you know it’s Caligula up there. …”

    I’m sure there are more that aren’t listed here.

  9. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/steve-stockman-requests-subpoena-of-nsas-white-house-irs-phone-logs-if-obama-has-nothing-to-hide-he-has-nothing-to-fear/

    Steve Stockman Requests Subpoena Of NSA’s White House, IRS Phone Logs: “If Obama Has Nothing To Hide He Has Nothing To Fear”

    Representative Steve Stockman (R-TX) requested that the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee issue a subpoena of all National Security Agency (NSA) records of phone calls between employees of the White House and the Internal Revenue Service. You’ve got to love the irony of this. In requesting such a subpoena, Stockman is in effect turning the tables on the Federal government, who has been using the NSA against its citizens unlawfully. He then used a paraphrase of Obama’s own words against him, “If Obama has nothing to hide he has nothing to fear.”

    The letter was delivered on Tuesday afternoon to the Committee’s office requesting a subpoena “of all records of every phone call made from all public and private telephones of all IRS personnel to all public and private telephones of all White House personnel” collected under the NSA’s recently-revealed PRISM program. …”

    His mistake is that it’s not the PRISM program under which they collect the phone logs. PRISM is where they get email, photos, etc., from Internet providers. The text of the letter at the link. I love this. It’s great.

  10. Won’t find out today about Beck’s huge story. Listen to this:

    • Keep it on The Blaze. 😉

      • http://shoebat.com/2013/06/10/glenn-beck-converts-to-chrislam/

        Rosemary, you might be interested in this article. I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t know enough about Mormonism to opine, but politically, I don’t care what someone’s religion is so long as they honor our CONSTITUTION.

        • Rosemary Woodhouse

          Thanks, Miri. The one and only time I ever called into a talk show it was Beck’s. He must have been blathering on about how Islam is a religion of peace. I asked him if he had ever read the Koran. He replied affirmatively. I started quoting a few anti Christian anti Jew verses and cut me off, with a bit of ‘tude, I should add, and he stated the Old Testament was rife with violence. This was quite sometime ago. Apparently, aside from mellowing out, he hasn’t changed much.

          I DO know that we can expect a One World Religion and all others will perish if they don’t worship the idol established by this caliphate. You can see it happening already. I believe it was you, Miri (maybe Pap) who posted an article the other day about how Europeans were labeling products manufactured by Jewish owned factories, and there a BLATANT all out assault on Christianity.

          Here’s what I know about Mormons: I read the Book of Mormon. Like Mohammed, Joseph had a vision much like Mohammed’s, during what sounds like sleep paralysis when he was told by an “angel” to find tablets upon which was transcribed ( and translated by Smith himself, if memory serves) their holy books. Their basic hypothesis is that Jesus (post resurrection, apparently) visited the American Indians and dwelled among them for awhile. He expounded on the “in my father’s house there are many mansions” quote that there were many celestial bodies, many heavens and that humans ultimately were to become Gods if they follow the righteous path and lead a good life.

          Here’s my opinion: I never met a Mormon I haven’t liked. They are honest, hardworking and ethical. Read True Sisters, a novel based on journals of the original pioneers from England who had nothing but handcarts with which to make their arduous trek. It’s a fascinating read. It’s astounding what hardships these people endured. Although Smith’s epiphany and subsequent revelations may be similar to Mohammed’s, their followers could not be more different.

          I believe Beck has gone out of his way to be inclusive because, let’s face it (I even had a Puerto Rican friend point this out to me) when a camera pans the crowd at any patriotic gathering, it’s mostly white people. Now, I’m not offended by this because I have no shame in being white. I have the utmost respect for people who are minorities and face ostracism for putting country before race. But the truth? This pandering doesn’t do anyone any good. I believe it’s been proven that Islam is not a religion of peace. And I’ve never heard of a Mormon terrorist….unless you consider nicely dressed young missionaries terrorists when they ring your doorbell. 🙂

          I pray Glenn is not an evangelist for this One World Religion movement. Satan is very cunning. It would be a brilliant move, actually. His minions may not be good poker or chess players, but he is.

          • Rosemary Woodhouse

            **Joseph Smith

          • In a constant “STATE”… of Confucius ~ Confusion…. what 2 do

          • Rosemary Woodhouse

            La plus ca change….. For you, Zenway. Confucius too,

          • There was a massacre (covered up for decades) perpetrated by Mormons, which was probably quite terrifying for the victims. Just goes to show that no religion’s hands are clean, figuratively speaking. That said, I’ve also never known a present-day Mormon who I didn’t like. As for Islam, I think Allen West said it best on Hannity recently when he said it’s not a religion and that their “prophet” was nothing more than a warlord. That’s actually what I learned at university, prior to the days of political correctness. This was back in the 70s, of course, when we were only just getting an inkling what they had planned for us, when the Shah was being overthrown, when Iranian students were calling themselves “Persians” because they didn’t want to admit being Iranian (during that hostage crisis). What a different world it was then, but then again–the days of Jimmuh Carter. Obama is actually the SECOND CARTER administration, imho (only evil). I started to read the Book of Mormon once, but never finished it. Glenn Beck was talking about it on his show today. He said he told his people that if he ever started talking on the air about Jesus Christ, the Bible, and the Book of Mormon, then that’s a sign we’re in the end times. He says the Book of Mormon is a calendar.

            Not to be disrespectful, but I always thought it was quite unbelievable that those gold tablets just went missing. These are historical times we’re talking about. People then, as now, knew the value of gold, not to mention the sheer religious value of sacred texts handed down by angels, if not God. So how did they get lost?

      • chuckle

  11. ~ “All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream…”
    ~ Edgar Allan Poe ~

    Glenn Beck’s shaking voice is FEAR from his heart & gut…
    Fear for his LIFE & for ALL ready to shake the rotten fruit from
    the TRUTH TREE! … We must get back to honesty.

    A Blazin’ HOT unfolding … if only “able to save our Constitution”
    ARE we Hero’s & Heroine’s … OR …Wicked Villian’s???

    ~ The Things That Should Not Be ~

    ~The Death Eaters ~ wanted to go unnoticed, a mystery to outsiders
    even to faithful supporters. BUTT’ we NOTICED so … sorry!

  12. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/2013-the-year-privacy-died/

    2013: The Year Privacy Died

    One civil rights attorney recently called the NSA phone-gathering activities “beyond Orwellian.”

    If privacy were a patient, you could say that in 2013, this sick patient has finally died. Under President Obama, the federal government has seized phone and credit card records and emails, catalogued images of the front and back of mailed letters, gathered information from Internet searches, given IRS records to political opponents, and soon: medical records gathered, managed and interpreted by the helpful and omniscient IRS.

    It has gotten so bad, that someday we may see the headline: “government has placed listening devices in everyone’s bedroom,” and such a headline would not be from The Onion.

    Not bad for a president who only five years ago proclaimed “as for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our security and our ideals.”

    But wait – I thought the War on Terror was over, and we won it.

    As Mark Steyn recently pointed out in National Review Online, it is not as if all this snooping is geared towards fighting terrorism. Just look at the public statements Maj. Hassan made in public for all to see before his jihadist rampage at Ft. Hood, or the suspended immigration controls that allowed free entry and departure for the Tsarnaev brothers before their terrorist attack on the Boston Marathon.

    The federal government appears to be accumulating information on citizens for reasons that have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Sometimes the reason is to harass political opponents, like what happened to True The Vote, and prominent Romney donor Frank Vandersloot, or the information given to the groups ProPublica and the Human Rights Campaign on their political opponents. But for other citizens, whatever the reason, it is impossible to imagine the sum total of information the government over the past few years has amassed on all of us, to be used whenever the government deems necessary.

    One NSA whistleblower, William Binney, has said that everyone in the United States is under “virtual surveillance” and the NSA has dossiers on nearly every United States citizen. …”

    Binney was a source for the story about the Utah Data Center that I cited in my previous post.

    • I’ve been meaning to put this somewhere appropriately, but it was more in keeping with the latest RICIN mail stuff……Here’s what went on long ago…so anyway I think this may be what we’re seeing again, just a modern version of the same crap. This is an exerp so you get the idea during Rockefellers time….course not long after this stuff took place and we had Roosevelt he basically confiscated part of the wealthy oil dealers company, not unlike Obama did in the bailout stuff.
      Here’s the exerp…I am referring to the MAIL stuf….
      of Standard Oil of New Jersey, successfully negotiated oil concessions in the Soviet Union.

      By that time though, Standard Oil’s near global monopoly had been broken up. In 1911, the U.S. Supreme Court decided it was violating anti-trust laws and dissolved it into about three dozen companies. Many of these are now household names like Chevron (Standard Oil California), Amoco (Standard Oil Indiana), Mobil (Standard Oil New Jersey) and Exxon, previously called Esso (Standard Oil New Jersey).

      When the U.S. was debating whether to join WWI, a group of so-called “War Hawks,” calling themselves the National Security League, knew that this war would be a major boon to profits. This League of bankers and industrialists, including Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Coleman du Pont and H.H. Rodgers of Standard Oil, promoted increases in arms production and universal military training. By 1917, they had helped build war hysteria to a fever pitch. But not all Americans were on their side. The Woman’s Peace Party, many suffragists and others, strongly opposed America’s entry into WWI. However, the League was successful and the War Hawks’ profits skyrocketed.

      Soon after WWI and the Russian revolution, many among America’s wealthy elite felt threatened by rising radicalism, particularly among unions. In April 1919, letter bombs, destined for John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan and others, were supposedly discovered in the U.S. postal system. The media quickly stirred up a massive Red Scare by blaming unions, communists, anarchists and foreign agitators. John Spivak says: “Trade unions were openly disbelieving and denounced with anger the so-called discoveries as a deliberate frame-up to provide excuses for more raids against organized labour” (A Man in His Time, 1967). This incident and others were used as pretexts for the Palmer Raids, during which the government rounded up more than ten thousand activists across the country.

      Throughout the 1920s and 1930s, while the persecution of leftists continued, corporate leaders on the extreme right, continued their criminal rampages in pursuit of profit. Although Rockefeller’s many links to Nazism are too numerous to list here, a few examples are worth noting. In the 1920s, Exxon entered into partnerships with Germany’s top chemical cartel members, BASF and I.G. Farben. The Bank for International Settlements, which helped fund the Nazis before and during WWII, was created in 1930 by the world’s central banks, including the Federal Reserve Bank of NY. Its creation was inspired by the Nazi government and its bankers. Its first president was Gates McGarrah, a Rockefeller banker formerly of Chase National Bank and the “Fed.”

      In 1932, Chevron struck oil in Bahrain and was soon operating in Saudi Arabia. In 1933, when Hitler seized power, Standard Oil New Jersey supplied Germany with the patents it required for tetraethyl lead aviation fuel. In 1936, the company Schroder, Rockefeller Investment Bankers, included board directors linked to the Gestapo and several European, Nazi-linked banks. It’s lawyers were John Foster Dulles and Allan Dulles, leading Wall Street fascists who drummed up American investments in Germany and elsewhere. The Dulles law firm represented I.G. Farben and Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was Hitler’s biggest German financier. The Dulles brothers later became Secretary of State and CIA Director, respectively.

    • It has gotten so bad, that someday we may see the headline: “government has placed listening devices in everyone’s bedroom,” and such a headline would not be from The Onion.

      Already there, for people who have an ADT system in their house with a control panel in their bedroom…

      • and Xfinity (comcast) wants you to hook up with home security from your cell phone just add it your phone bill…

        dupes being duped

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        Wow, First, I post abut Boys of Brazil (Gordo was kind enough to post the movie in its entirety) , and now this scene is germane to the discussion. Brazil seems to be a meme,

        • That was in 2000!

          The Fourth Amendment Under Siege, Editor’s Commentary
          Kristie Snyder
          © 2000 Discerning the Times Digest and NewsBytes

          Objectionable if not illegal searches and seizures seem to be the modus operandi for the Clinton administration. Images of the April 22 Gestapo-like, predawn raid of the home of Elian Gonzales’ Miami relatives are still fresh in the minds of most Americans, even the world. The INS agents violently broke through the door of the home without a warrant. They were dressed and armed to provoke maximum intimidation of Elian’s relatives. Although these may be valid tactics to use to frighten terrorists where the lives of innocent hostages are at stake, this was not a hostage situation.

          Once again our civil liberties enshrined in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution are in jeopardy in the hands of the Clinton Administration. This amendment states, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      • Yep. And when we get the “smart” technology that controls everything within our house, they’ll know even more. And they’ll be able to control your stuff remotely. I can envision Big Sis locking your ‘fridge door when she decides you ate too much today.

        • Or when they decide to starve you because of your political views…

        • We had our “smart meter” put in last November (electric). It gives off radiation and can cause heath problems. At least mine is not on the same side as bedroom and not by 2nd story. As far as Smart appliances go,,,,we can’t afford them. Even if I could, I wouldn’t! And surely when o care is heaped on us this Jan there will be even less money to buy “smart appliances”.

  13. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/12/republican-rep-notices-irs-agents-training-with-ar-15s-during-dhs-tour-im-looking-into-the-issue-now/

    Republican Rep. Notices IRS Agents Training with AR-15s During DHS Tour: ‘I’m Looking Into the Issue Now’

    This little item could give the IRS’ whole “targeting” conservatives scandal a brand-new twist.

    Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) tweeted that he observed IRS agents training with AR-15s when he toured the Department of Homeland Security: …”

    What follows is a long list of tweets. Sorry if this was already posted.

  14. Never give up Patriots. We have survived worse we will survive this.
    We are Americans that is what we do. 🙂

  15. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/13/gop-rep-grills-fbi-director-who-apparently-knows-astonishingly-little-about-irs-investigation/

    GOP Rep. Grills FBI Director Who Apparently Knows Astonishingly Little About IRS Investigation

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) on Thursday grilled a seemingly uninformed FBI Director Robert Mueller on the IRS scandal. Mueller was unable to answer basic questions about the investigation into the tax agency’s political targeting of conservative groups.

    “Regarding the IRS scandal, Rep. [Elijah] Cummings said everything is solved,” Jordan said. “What can you tell us?”

    In response to several questions on the investigation, Mueller told Jordan he would either have to get back to Congress or declined to answer because the investigation was ongoing.

    Can you tell me who the lead investigator is,” Jordan pressed.

    “Off the top of my head, no” the FBI chief replied.

    This is the most important issue in front of the country the last six weeks, you don’t know who is heading up the case?” Jordan asked.

    Mueller also said he hasn’t been briefed recently on the IRS case.

    When asked if he had talked to any of the targeted groups since May 14 or if officials were attempting to contact them, Mueller said he had not and didn’t know if other officials had contacted the groups.

    “Some of them testified that the FBI paid them a visit,” Jordan continued. “If the FBI did contact people with the IRS scandal prior to the investigation, why?”

    “You’re asking me details about the investigation. I’ll have to get back to you,” Mueller responded.

    Jordan shot back: “This is not a detail about the investigation. This happened before the investigation started. Can you get back to me on any group that was targeted by the IRS who the FBI visited with before the investigation responded?”

    Again, Mueller replied, “We’ll get back to you.”

    When Jordan asked if he had any concerns about the way the inspector general conducted the IRS audit, Mueller again said he would have to “get back” to him.

    “Is it appropriate for the one doing the audit to give the information to the people he’s investigating and not giving that information to the oversight committee. Is that how an investigation is supposed to work?” a persistent Jordan asked.

    However, his efforts were fruitless. “I can’t comment on what is appropriate,” Mueller said. …”

  16. WAG THE DOG. Obama is going to go into Syria. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589252/u.s.-syria-used-chemical-weapons-crossing-red-line/

    U.S.: Syria used chemical weapons, crossing “red line”

    The Obama administration has concluded that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s government used chemical weapons against the rebels seeking to overthrow him and, in a major policy shift, President Obama has decided to supply military support to the rebels, the White House announced Thursday.

    “The president has made a decision about providing more support to the opposition that will involve providing direct support to the [Supreme Military Council]. That includes military support,” Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communication Ben Rhodes told reporters. …”

    And he gets the authority from …?

  17. Disappeared? http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350990/did-irs-fire-holly-paz-eliana-johnson

    Did the IRS Fire Holly Paz?

    An IRS source says that the Internal Revenue Service has fired Holly Paz, the director of the agency’s Rulings and Agreements office. The source says Paz was fired last Friday, and a second IRS source tells National Review Online that Paz “dropped off the edge of the world” that day, and that her agency-issued computer, phone, and Blackberry show no activity since then. The IRS would not confirm or deny reports of Paz’s firing, citing her right to privacy as protected by federal law.

    As of Thursday, the voice mail on Paz’s work phone remains active and callers are asked to leave a message for Paz, though nobody answered repeated calls placed to that number. Calls to the mobile phone number listed under Paz’s name in the IRS’s internal directory are sent straight to voice mail, and indicate her mailbox has not yet been set up.

    As the director of Rulings and Agreements, Paz served as the first line of management in Washington, D.C., that oversaw both the tax-law specialists who provided guidance to agents in Cincinnati reviewing tea-party applications and the Determinations Unit in Cincinnati charged with processing those applications. Paz has served in that position since January 2011, reporting directly to Lois Lerner, with the exception of a four-month period between October 2011 and January 2012 when she reportedly was on maternity leave. Lerner, the director of the IRS’s Exempt Organizations division was on May 23 placed on paid leave.

    Paz became the subject of controversy when, in an interview with the House Oversight Committee, she revealed that she participated in an IRS internal investigation about the agency’s discrimination against tea-party groups and was aware of its findings, which emerged a year before the inspector general’s report and reached similar conclusions. Paz, however, did not notify Congress of those findings.

    Lawmakers have also raised eyebrows at the fact that Paz was present when members of the inspector general’s team interviewed her subordinates during the course of their investigation. In a May 23 Oversight Committee hearing, chairman Darrell Issa expressed his astonishment, saying he was ”shocked” to find that Paz “participated in virtually every one of the interrogations or interviews with her own subordinates.” He added, “In those, of course, one of the questions the IG had to ask was, ‘Did anyone tell you to do this?’ If that question was asked, their own superior was in the room.”

    Even the ranking member of the committee, Democrat Elijah Cummings, no fan of Issa’s investigations into the administration’s misconduct, had harsh words for Paz. “It sounded like Ms. Paz felt like she needed to be in the room because she wanted to be able to defend herself – or the agency, I don’t know – based on what may have been said or the information gathered in that interview,” Cummings told inspector general J. Russell George. “Usually when you are conducting an investigation . . . you want to keep your witnesses separate because you’re in search of the truth and you are trying to make sure there’s no advantage of a person hearing what somebody else said.” …”

    Can’t be subpoenaed if she can’t be found.

  18. A slide to teach the military about religious extremism. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/page/2/

    They appear to include the ENTIRETY of the Catholic Church and all evangelical Christians! But not Islam.

    • Sounds as if nothing in that PRISM database could ever be used in any court of law because it sounds EXACTLY like the “people search” databases that we’re told by those who believe they know that it’s NOT ACCURATE. That’s why, they say, we can’t use results from it to state that Barry is using multiple SS#s. So what is it? ACCURATE or full of CRAP? If the latter (as we’re led to believe) then of what use is it to fight terrorism? NONE, because they didn’t stop Hasan or Tsarnaevs or any of the others (including those who would have been successful if) not stopped by ALERT citizens or through some other happenstance.

  19. This NOT a Flower….

    • No, it’s not. It looks more like something from the Little Shop of Horrors:

      larger

    • http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms.html

      U.S. Agencies Said to Swap Data With Thousands of Firms

      Thousands of technology, finance and manufacturing companies are working closely with U.S. national security agencies, providing sensitive information and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence, four people familiar with the process said.

      These programs, whose participants are known as trusted partners, extend far beyond what was revealed by Edward Snowden, a computer technician who did work for the National Security Agency. The role of private companies has come under intense scrutiny since his disclosure this month that the NSA is collecting millions of U.S. residents’ telephone records and the computer communications of foreigners from Google Inc (GOOG). and other Internet companies under court order.

      Many of these same Internet and telecommunications companies voluntarily provide U.S. intelligence organizations with additional data, such as equipment specifications, that don’t involve private communications of their customers, the four people said.

      Makers of hardware and software, banks, Internet security providers, satellite telecommunications companies and many other companies also participate in the government programs. In some cases, the information gathered may be used not just to defend the nation but to help infiltrate computers of its adversaries. …”

      A tangled Web. At least the US has citizens (mostly) with brains: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/57_fear_government_will_use_nsa_data_to_harass_political_opponents

      57% Fear Government Will Use NSA Data to Harass Political Opponents

      There is little public support for the sweeping and unaccountable nature of the National Security Agency surveillance program along with concerns about how the data will be used.

      Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters nationwide believe it is likely the NSA data will be used by other government agencies to harass political opponents. …”

      TO harass them? They use it now, guaranteed. It’s evident in the massive COMPLICITY or SUBMISSION of many who ought to be opponents but for some reason are not.

      • http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/echelon-contractor-feds-spying-on-citizens-for-decades/

        I remember ECHELON; don’t you? I know I talked about it either here or at TD’s. They used the UK to spy on us and we spied on the UK’s people and then they swapped information.

        Michael Savage caller: Americans spied on for decades
        ‘They’re listening to everything. They know what everybody does’

        Many Americans have been astonished in the past week to learn of the government’s extraordinary ability to invade their privacy, but a caller told “The Savage Nation” radio show of his contract work for a global National Security Agency system during the administration of President George H.W. Bush more than 20 years ago that spied on citizens.

        “John” in San Francisco told host Michael Savage he worked for one of the largest intelligence contractors in the world on a massive program known as Echelon that intercepted private and commercial communications.
        To “get around the Constitution and laws,” he said, “they based the program out of another country, England.”

        “They routed it back to the NSA building, which was 14 stories below the ground,” said John.

        In his conversation with Savage, John didn’t name the contractor but revealed the company was based in Sunnyvale, Calif., which is the headquarters of Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co.

        He said Echelon analysts used a computer program that scanned the communications for key words.

        “They’re listening to everything,” he said. ” … They know what everybody does.” …”

        Goes back to before Clinton, but you know they made use of it!

    • If this filmmaker has been working with Snowden since January and since he only worked for Booz for a short time (months or weeks, depending upon which story you rely), then can we guess that he was on a mission from THESE PEOPLE? He sure sounds as if he was on a mission from somebody.

    • Can you believe that? You’d think that after the infamous IRS line dance somebody would point out that it doesn’t make for good visuals.

  20. Illegal Aliens invade Steve King’s Office

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/king-illegals-office

  21. 8 days ago
    FBI raids State Senate’s office – Sacramento CA

    Local News Video

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/fbi-agents-raid-offices-state-180244402.html?vp=1&CMP=OUTUS

    wonder what the DOJ found out.

  22. who said this:

    (CNSNews.com) – Children who don’t get a pre-kindergarten education, ideally from birth to age 5, might fall behind and “may as well drop out” by third grade,

    – See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sebelius-kids-so-far-behind-3rd-grade-may-well-drop-out#sthash.O73pDoNx.dpuf

    • Yep. They need to get them before YOU do. Can’t have parents indoctrinating their own kids. Who KNOWS what they might learn (like the Constitution). Here’s what Sibelius wants your kids to KNOW by 3rd grade:
      http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/13/Third-Graders-Introduce-Obama-at-LGBT-Pride-Event

      Third-Graders Introduce Obama at LGBT Pride Event

      Nine year-old twins Zea and Luna introduce President Barack Obama at the White House’s LGBT Pride Month celebration Thursday, June 13.”

      I didn’t watch the video but my guess would be that these nine-year-olds are the result of a social experiment in gay “parenting”. I’m just guessin’. As such, as experiments, of course the proud parents MUST let the children know early and often how “special” they are and why they deserve this special spotlight, including a trip to the WH to meet the One.

    • Yep. They need to get them before YOU do. Can’t have parents indoctrinating their own kids. Who KNOWS what they might learn (like the Constitution). Here’s what Sibelius wants your kids to KNOW by 3rd grade:
      http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/13/Third-Graders-Introduce-Obama-at-LGBT-Pride-Event

      Third-Graders Introduce Obama at LGBT Pride Event

      Nine year-old twins Zea and Luna introduce President Barack Obama at the White House’s LGBT Pride Month celebration Thursday, June 13.”

      I didn’t watch the video but my guess would be that these nine-year-olds are the result of a social experiment in gay “parenting”. I’m just guessin’. As such, as experiments, of course the proud parents MUST let the children know early and often how “special” they are and why they deserve this special spotlight, including a trip to the WH to meet the One.


  23. this sort of answers Beck’s claims

  24. “All this for a damn flag” … You Betcha! It’s an AMERICAN THING!

    Are YOU flying your FLAG TODAY ? I am… I am

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/06/are_you_flying_your_flag_today.html

  25. Happy Flag Day .God Bless the Troops. 🙂

  26. Today is the 238th birthday of the US Army. thanks to the soldiers and families who have sacrificed so much to protect us throughout our nation’s history. 🙂

    • TY, Foxy and Zenway. I put up a new open thread and linked back here from within my hat tip to Zenway. I should have posted before I spent my time catching up with what y’all were talking about last night and today. Zenway, I AM flying my flag.

    • TY for that, Foxy. I just read in a story I linked in my new post that this day was chosen for Flag Day for that very reason. It’s the Army’s birthday. God bless our troops and may He continue to bless the USA.

  27. btw, I caught only a little of Beck’s show today. When I came in, he was saying that people wondered where was the event that he said was going to happen. He claimed it did happen–yesterday. He said it was when 70 Congresspersons stood up to try to hold up immigration reform. So this is the event that was going to divide us all and bring down the power structure of America? I think not. He specifically talked the other day about a DOCUMENT and a WHISTLEBLOWER. Neither were involved, so far as I know, in the Congress standing up against immigration reform. Beck went on to say that, like with Obamacare, the fix is in. They’re going to pass a Senate bill. Pass a House bill. Go to the reconciliation process where all the good is taken from the House bill and all the bad is put in from the Senate and then the House will pass it with all the DemoncRATS and just enough of the RINOs to ram it through and we will have amnesty and no border security and the USA as we know Her will be over. There will never again be a conservative president. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/conservatives-bachmann-king-and-gohmert-appeal-directly-to-glenn-beck-were-losing-badly-on-immigration-bill-video/

    Congresspersons went on Beck’s show to ask him to help them mobilize the people as they were mobilized in 2007. We’re not being told the TRUTH and that’s deliberately. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/norquist-rubio-allies-to-paint-gang-of-8-immigration-opponents-as-nativists/

    That story above talks about some of the RINOs who are betraying us, including Norquist. Beck said yesterday that they’re going to portray us as RACISTS if we oppose this bill. Congress wants us to “melt the phone lines” as we did in 2007. It’s all fixed, rigged. As if we can’t tell that already.

    I came back in on Beck’s show later in the day and heard him saying, I thought, something about a document, so maybe someone heard all of it? Maybe the document has something to do with proving that they’re all complicit (the RINOs and the progressives, I mean). I see nothing on The Blaze about a document or whistleblower. Please, if anybody knows what Beck was talking about, please let us know. Could that Norquist memo be it?

    Otherwise, it’s another case of Beck saying the sky is falling. (Buy gold. Stay tuned to The Blaze.)

    • Someone from ORYR said this about Beck today:

      “There are 2 subjects Beck was talking about. He mentioned the first was that the Repubs and Dems are in cahoots about the Immigration bill, that he mentioned would be 24 hours. He released it. The other thing about a whistleblower would take 10 days. 8 now before it hits… “

  28. ~ 8 more days can be a life-time… I would not want 2 be in any of
    their shoes…. heck even my own…. its like getting rocks in your
    Halloween bag!
    What else can we do but sit on it…. & wait.. & wait …. & pray.

    • So which do you think was going to bring the whole political structure down and all we’ll be lucky to save is the Constitution? I don’t see how this flies. Why wait 8 more days? Give the document to the Guardian. They’ll publish it, won’t they? Beck could publish it. He doesn’t have to name the source, does he? Woodward and Bernstein didn’t. Deep Throat. This can be Deep Throat II.

  29. Wait….wait….wait…and wait is all we ever do.

  30. Six years ago…when people were more aware of what was going on in this country…our Public Library only had 1 copy of 1984 with a waiting list a mile long.
    A year later they had tons of copies on the shelves. The very first time I read it (years ago) it freaked me out but it was just FICTION, ya know? The second time I read it I couldn’t finish it.

    • I think I have it buried in my basement somewhere. Maybe it’s time to dig it out. I always liked (if that’s the word) Brave New World better. We read both in school. Since it was the typical progressive teachers assigning the books, I wonder how those same people would feel today, given that a progressive messiah is “Big Bro” and a progressive likely lesbian is “Big Sis”?

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