Obama Supports UN Arms Treaty

© Miri WTPOTUS April 2, 2013

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The United Nations has passed the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), with the support of the Obama administration, but without the support of Iran, North Korea, and Syria.  Twenty-three countries abstained from the vote.

The Washington Times reports:

The long-debated U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) requires countries to regulate and control the export of weaponry such as battle tanks, combat vehicles and aircraft and attack helicopters, as well as parts and ammunition for such weapons. It also provides that signatories will not violate arms embargoes, international treaties regarding illicit trafficking, or sell weaponry to a countries for genocide, crimes against humanity or other war crimes. …

American gun rights activists, though, insist the treaty is riddled with loopholes and is unworkable in part because it includes “small arms and light weapons” in its list of weaponry subject to international regulations. They do not trust U.N. assertions that the pact is meant to regulate only cross-border trade and would have no impact on domestic U.S. laws and markets.

Critics of the treaty were heartened by the U.S. Senate’s resistance to ratifying the document, assuming President Obama sent it to the chamber for ratification. In its budget debate late last month, the Senate approved a non-binding amendment opposing the treaty offered by Sen. James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, with eight Democrats joining all 45 Republicans backing the amendment.

The Washington Times story further states: [emphasis added to quotes]

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday that “we are pleased to join with the consensus” on the treaty, adding that before the White House gets to planning on how to get it through the Senate, it will first review and assess the language of the treaty itself.

Despite the Senate vote, numerous groups have pressured Mr. Obama to support the treaty, and Amnesty International hailed Tuesday’s vote.

Like Obamacare, do they have to read the treaty to find out what’s in it, after already supporting it at the U.N.?  Next Obama will plan “how to get it through the Senate.”

This news comes on the heels of reports that legislators, mostly Democrats, in various states propose some alarming and, according to Judge Andrew Napolitano, mostly unconstitutional gun control laws:

In Connecticut, proposals include:

—Ban sales of high-capacity ammunition magazines;

—Background checks for private gun sales;

—New registry for existing magazines that carry 10 or more bullets;

—Statewide dangerous weapon offender registry, which lawmakers said is the nation’s first;

—Immediate universal background checks for all firearms sales;

—Expansion of Connecticut’s assault weapons ban;

Safety training and other requirements to buy any rifle, shotgun or ammunition;

—Increases minimum age eligibility for purchase of some semi-automatic rifles to 21;

— Expands requirements for safe storage of firearms;

— Increases penalties for firearms trafficking and illegal possession offenses.

In California:

Democratic lawmakers are pushing like never before to regulate or tax ammunition sales. …

“It’s a way to red-tape the right to bear arms to death,” said Chuck Michel, the California Rifle and Pistol Association’s attorney, promising to sue if any such bills pass. “It’s all part of a campaign of shame, the fight to make it as difficult as possible for law-abiding citizens to make the choice to have a firearm for self-defense.” …

[One] bill would require all ammo dealers to be licensed and all ammo buyers to provide identification information that would go to a state registry. …  Another bill … would require a background check and an estimated $50 fee for a one-year permit to buy ammunition. …

[A] 10 percent tax on ammunition to fund crime prevention — might merge with another lawmaker’s proposed nickel-per-round tax to fund mental-health screening for children. …

California’s 2009 law requiring dealers to record all handgun ammunition sales remains in limbo after an appeals court ruled that it’s too ambiguous because some rounds can be used both in handguns and rifles. The bills now pending would affect all ammunition.

Ammo rights are similarly infringed upon in other parts of the country:

Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey and the District of Columbia now require some sort of license to buy ammunition. New York passed a law in January requiring background checks for ammo purchases, but it hasn’t taken effect yet.

That same story reports that at the national level:

[T]he Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2013 … [w]ould require face-to-face purchases of ammunition, require licensing of ammunition dealers and reporting of bulk purchases of ammunition. …

[T]he Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013 … [w]ould require an instant background check for the purchase of ammunition and would restore pre-1986 requirements that sellers track their inventory and keep records of their customers. Purchases of 1,000 rounds or more, or thefts of large amounts of ammunition, would have to be reported to law enforcement.

Another story reports that

a contingent of liberal Democrats in Congress is proposing a new federal gun control idea: mandatory liability insurance for gun owners. … [The bill] requires gun buyers to have “a qualified liability insurance policy” before they are able to legally purchase a firearm. It also calls for the federal government to impose a fine as much as $10,000 if a gun owner doesn’t have insurance on a firearm purchased after the bill goes into effect. … The bill would also make it a federal crime to sell a firearm to anyone without insurance.

Quite obviously, they’re laying the groundwork for making gun owners liable for any crimes committed by those who steal their guns. Once liability is established and lawyers get involved, big settlements and the soaring cost of gun owners insurance will make owning a gun too expensive for most Americans.  Similarly, taxes and licensing fees will make exercising their right to keep and bear arms that much more onerous.

Voluntary (actually involuntary) backdoor civilian disarmament, by any means necessary.

Obviously, as well, is that all of these proposals are unconstitutional, as Judge Napolitano said this morning on the Jamie Allman Show in St. Louis.  Nobody can be required to buy insurance as the price for exercising a constitutional right. 

Proponents compare this proposal to insurance requirements for automobile ownership; yet there is nothing in the Bill of Rights that specifically protects automobile ownership.  The Second Amendment exists to protect our right to keep and bear arms:  that right “shall not be infringed.”

Every one of these proposals “infringe” upon the right to keep and bear arms. Coming on the heels of the U.N.’s ATT, these AMMUNITION control proposals raise many red flags.  No doubt, we shall soon hear ourselves labeled conspiracy theorists, once again; but by now we’re used to that.  Tell me that THIS is nothing more than yet another coincidence:

Shortages resulting from an unprecedented demand for ammunition by federal agencies and the civilian market are causing some police departments to look at cutting back training …

One source the civilian market particularly looks at is for cartridge casings, and in a time of high demand, having them available for reloading ammunition becomes a significant interest. One of the prime suppliers for expended brass is the military, so their compliance with appropriations requirements and public law becomes a matter of heightened public interest.

Thinking that compliance issues over unauthorized destruction rather than resale of brass had been resolved back in 2009 and again in 2010, tips that the practice was ongoing and continuing resulted in a special Gun Rights Examiner investigative report in January about reports of destruction at Fort Drum in New York, but not in clarification from responsible authorities. …

The author goes on to report that our government (apparently against military policies, “appropriations and public law requirements”) uses a machine called a “deformer” to deliberately make spent ammo “unserviceable” so that it cannot be sold on the civilian market for reloading.

This is an end run around the spirit, if not the letter of, the law.  A clause in the law allows them to not sell spent ammo for reloading if it’s “unserviceable” or “unsafe”.  Deliberately deforming the shells makes them unserviceable.

The author attempted to get answers to specific questions, but was stonewalled or ignored, at first. Recently the author received a memo indicating that policies were changed in June of 2011.  The author’s sums up:

“DoD will dispose of ESACC [expended small arms cartridge cases] as quickly and effectively as practical, and in compliance with applicable laws, regulations and DoD guidance.”Of relevance, it also states “The DoD will not expend resources to determine whether ESACC are serviceable for non-military purposes. [After making them unserviceable?]“The DoD will continue to make available a reasonable portion of the ESACC supply intact for such sale,” the guidelines continue, albeit not defining how “reasonable” is determined, “with the goal of optimizing the receipt and return of sales proceeds.The guidelines also specify the guidelines apply to the continental United States, “to avoid significant expenditures in transporting ESACC.”

In answer to a question raised about brass destruction … the guidelines “will not impair the operation of QRP [qualified recycling program] at military installations within CONUS [contiguous US] that rely on direct sales of ESACC to support their recycling program or Morale, Welfare and recreation program. Such installations and activities may continue to crush, shred, deform or otherwise demilitarize ESACC prior to direct sale.”

These specifics directly address original questions posed by Gun Rights Examiner that were sidestepped when for-the-record comments were requested, and would indicate the direction the installations are following comes straight from the Pentagon. Whether that squares with the spirit and intent of public law and appropriations requirements, and what higher-level directives or understandings, if any (as well as past precedents), shaped the 2011 guidance memorandum under which the bases are operating, are new questions to be explored.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but we have a government that seems to be deliberately creating a shortage of ammunition by entering into contracts to purchase as many as two billion rounds of civilian, not military, ammunition.  Allegedly, they plan to use this ammo for DHS and border patrol training, although “Big Sis” Janet Napolitano dodges and weaves when asked by our representatives why the DHS is stockpiling ammunition.  Now we see that, although the law seems to require the military to sell spent shell casings on the open market for reloading, the military deliberately deforms cartridge cases, so that they don’t have to sell to them to civilians, thus making ammunition that much scarcer.

This is a full court press to disarm the People and to do away with our Second Amendment rights, without amending the Constitution.  While ultimately the Supreme Court MAY strike down these laws (should they make it through the legislatures) in the meantime, the Obama administration will run the clock–building that database and disarming the People, one gun at a time.  If they can’t get the guns, however, they can defang them by making ammunition impossible to obtain; or they will make it too expensive for anyone except rich Hollywood celebrities to own guns.  Will our Congress allow these laws to pass?

The leftists are not going to stop. The proponents of these unconstitutional, infringing laws admit that these are simply small steps, INCREMENTAL steps.  They make no bones about admitting that their ultimate goal is to totally disarm the American people.

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89 responses to “Obama Supports UN Arms Treaty

  1. New post on gun control, written with alfy in mind. 🙂

  2. It occurs to me that we ought to REQUIRE journalists to carry liability insurance in case they offend someone or in case their bias causes heart attacks, for example, amongst conservative viewers and readers. (I, for one, would love to be compensated for the stress that the media has caused me for at least the past 5 years.)

    Similarly, we ought to require that leftist politicians carry liability insurance for the same reason.

    Similarly, we ought to require makers of violent videogames and producers of violent TV shows or movies to carry liability insurance in case those who were INFLUENCED by their productions (such as James Holmes and Adam Lanza, among others) harm others.

    Liability lawsuits should be encouraged so that those who influence these mass killers are suitably made to pay, just as leftists expect to extract settlements from gun owners who are victims of theft and fast food producers, who “cause” obesity amongst “the children.”

  3. In Nelson & Kennesaw GEORGIA…. the SANE have a right to be
    Pistol Packin’ Mama.. It’s up 2 THEM! Clean GUN … Clean towns!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/02/us-usa-georgia-guns-idUSBRE93102820130402

  4. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Surprise, surprise. NOT!

  5. Wow, where did you find that? Yup, a bumpy ride as Bette said above!

  6. United Nations Adopts Global Arms Trade Treaty
    By United Press International April 2, 2013

    The U.N. General Assembly passed a landmark international arms trafficking treaty tying weapons exports to potential human rights threats. Among other things, the treaty prohibits countries from exporting conventional weapons in violation of arms embargoes, or weapons used to commit genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes or terrorism, the BBC said. It also requires countries to keep conventional weapons from entering the black market.

    Iran, Syria and North Korea last week blocked an effort to approve the treaty by consensus and opponents said much of the language was too vague. Russia led a group of nations that abstained. The United States voted in favor of the measure despite pressure from the National Rifle Association, which opposed the treaty and said it would work to ensure it isn’t ratified in the U.S. Senate.

    However, with or without U.S. ratification, as soon as 50 countries approve the treaty it will become international law.
    ~
    Diplomats have worked for nearly 10 years to reach agreement on principles to control the flow of such arms, the BBC said. Attempts to finalize the treaty last year collapsed after the United States, Russia and China, said they needed more time to consider the issues.

    The treaty covers an estimated $70 billion trade in tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber weapons, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, missiles and launchers, small arms, light weapons and ammunition.

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/04/02/united-nations-adopts-global-arms-trade-treaty/?subscriber=1

    • Like I said, who needs the UN….Russia, China obstained from voting. I wonder. The UN, the dumbest , craziest bunch of hoodlems expect that by making an international law, all will be quiet , Peaceful, and perfectly on our way to UtopIA! Yeah right….they’ve been a peace outfit since they invented themselves in 1948-49, and what is there to show for there good works.NADA….more wars, more animosity more assasinations thanan there evea, eva, eva was…….The UN is a joke and other countries don’t buy into it either.

      • Muslim countries, for the most part, supported it, as did dictatorial governments. Of course, they don’t want an armed populace! Small arms to be controlled and countries must make sure they’re not trafficked on the black market. Now how would the US do that, if not by registering and locating every weapon?

    • How will this affect the CIA’s supplying of arms to Syrian rebels? Shall we take a look at Obama’s part in the Benghazi attack or Hillary’s as she is now known as the leader of the Syrian arms sales, and Ambassador Stevens acted as their puppet? How about Obama supplying arms and machinery to Al Qaeda in Libya? The Obama Administration armed rebels without knowing their affiliation before doing it. How about the US arming those who were fighting that madman in Africa? Will the UN hold them accountable for previous acts when weapons start showing up in terrorist attacks anywhere?

      Who is the UN most worried about do you think? Who is the UN trying to prevent from acting? I believe they are most worried about the super powers, the US, Russia and China. Russia and China are looking at $ signs and will do whatever the hell they want. I doubt they will follow the international law should it become ratified by 50 countries. The little countries rely on the larger ones to help them out when uprisings occur. The black markets will thrive.

      Glad to see that Susan Rice (the lying good for nothing UN Ambassador) was there to sign for the NWO err the US).

      • Good questions! It’s interesting to consider the “spin” that the ambassador was there to “make sure that guns didn’t fall into the hands of terrorists.” If you look at it in light of what they now suspect about Hillary and the gun running, that’s sort of true: He was there picking and choosing who WOULD get the guns; but the spin makes it sound AS IF they were simply gathering up loose weapons and securing them, not passing them on to Turkey to be used in Syria by “rebels” who happen to be Muslim jihadists. I suspect the UN, like Eric Holder, will pick and choose who and what they prosecute under their new “international” laws.

      • I know this is out there, but I always thought Stevens was playing a secretive role for some higher ups, but the reason why may be what seems out there. Long ago I had checked into who Stevens was and the funny thing is, when he is introduced to the public as the “new” Ambassador to Libya the short film biographies of him were weird…they show him several ways stairing at the Statue of Lincoln, and several places as he waslks around in Wa. the dominant object in the video is the giant Obelisk (the peter thing) in the background. What’s that thing caled , the needle thing??? It’s got many esoteric meanings behind it. It seemed to dominate Stevens bio.

        • Well, he was allegedly gay. Are you talking about the Washington Monument?

          • Yeah, that thing has lots of hidden(why I said esoteric) meanings, ties to illuminati, one worlders ,ect. I just thought it weird at the time that that object seemed to dominate his bio…..and of course there’s also a photo when Obama took his Re-Oath of office in the WHite House, there’s a shot of him with his hand on the bible(or whatever that was)and that obelisk is in his view looking out the window from that room.. Call me conspiratory, I don’t really care, but that Obelisk thing ,I hate,it’s symbolic of everything un christian, it’s evil.

  7. Not even a toy rifle would fit in a Honda glove compartment.

  8. Veteran’s Guns Confiscated After Forced ‘Psychiatric Evaluation’
    Purge against armed ex-servicemembers accelerates
    April 2, 2013

    A US Navy veteran had his guns confiscated by police following a forced “psychiatric evaluation” in another example of how the Veterans Administration is accelerating a purge of armed ex-servicemembers in accordance with a federal government demonization campaign that has labeled vets domestic terrorists.
    ~
    As with all contemporary authoritarian governments, the psychiatric system is being used to circumvent courts and bypass normal legal due process.

    http://www.infowars.com/veterans-guns-confiscated-after-forced-psychiatric-evaluation/

    • Pair that up with the news that there’s a backlog of as many as a million veteran disability applications. Chances are, they’re going to give every vet a psychiatric exam and somehow determine all of these TRAINED military guys are ineligible to have guns. Who better to defend us if not the vets, if the military is corrupted?

  9. Ted Nugent not worried by U.N. gun grab
    International body slammed for listening to ‘tyrants, slave drivers, despots and murderers’

    April 2, 2013 sNIPS

    WASHINGTON – The United Nations might be trying to regulate America’s guns, but rock star Ted Nugent is “not at all” concerned. There’s a reason. “I believe we the people have made it rather clear that ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ is more than a song,” Nugent said in an interview with WND today after the U.N. adopted its long-developing Arms Trade Treaty. “As putrid and anti-American as the entire U.N. concept/agenda is,” he added, “we mean it and I believe we have … driven home an adequate fear factor into the lives of the soulless U.N. gangsters. It is they who should be fearful.”
    ~

    Today, he said, the U.N.’s actions would seek to “supersede the laws our elected officials have already put into place.”

    Nugent believes that President Obama is working with the U.N. on the rules, making the president a “clear and present threat to freedom and the American way of life.” The Obama administration supported the resolution.

    But Nugent said, “To listen to this man’s heartless rhetoric and gun control scam is a classic lesson in deceit and brainwashing that only clueless, ignorant sheep are buying into. Like his good friend Diane Feinstein has admitted publicly, he and his ilk would disarm American families if they thought they could get away with it. We simply will not let it happen.”
    ~
    For Nugent, the U.N. lacks credibility because it is a “gang of nations” where the U.S. must listen to “the input of tyrants, kings, emperors, slave drivers, despots and murderers.” Nugent says this collection of vagabonds is “like Planet of the Apes morphed into One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.” The U.N., Obama, and leftists, he said, are “mindlessly obsessed with bringing down the best of the best who try their hardest to be the best.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/ted-nugent-not-worried-by-u-n-gun-grab/#uKxiKWjLyY1hdWpY.99

    • I couldn’t have said it better!

    • Rosemary Woodhouse

      Yesterday on the radio I heard a d.j snidely comment about Nugent after playing Wango Tango. Americans hatred for America is astounding, and more pervasive than I ever would have imagined.

  10. (h/t RMinNC at CW)

    “Warning to AmeriKa…Ret. General Special Forces”

    Published on Aug 28, 2012

  11. A Rock, A River, A Tree”, A GUN?!!!

    http://nation.foxnews.com/maya-angelou/2013/04/03/poet-maya-angelou-blasts-gun-home-intruder

    Poet Maya Angelou Blasts Gun at Home Intruder

    Obama supporter and famous poet Maya Angelou was asked by Time Magazine if she had ever fired a gun in her life.

    Her answer was surprising — “Of course!” Angelou then recounted a time in which she fired upon a home intruder. [and then lied to police about it!]

    … I was in my house in North Carolina. It was fall. I heard someone walking on the leaves. And somebody actually turned the knob. So I said, “Stand four feet back because I’m going to shoot now!” Boom! Boom! The police came by and said, “Ms. Angelou, the shots came from inside the house.” I said, “Well, I don’t know how that happened.“”

    Sounds almost like she was taking gun handling advice from Joe (just shoot off some warning shots from the balcony) Biden.

  12. Yeah, that’s the ticket: We just buy all that ammo because it’s a bargain.
    http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/dhs-explains-plans-buy-16b-rounds-ammo-were-buying-bulk-significantly

    DHS Explains Plans To Buy 1.6B Rounds Of Ammo: We’re Buying in Bulk to ‘Significantly Lower Costs’

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has responded to a letter dated November 13, 2012 from Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) regarding the agency’s ammunition purchases.

    Sen. Coburn published the response on the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs website yesterday, April 1, 2013.

    The response, dated February 4, 2013, says that DHS buys ammunition in bulk to “significantly lower costs.”

    The letter states:

    “DHS routinely establishes strategic sourcing contracts that combine the requirements of all its Components for commonly purchased goods and services such as ammunition, computer equipment and information technology services. These strategic sourcing contracts help leverage the purchasing power of DHS to efficiently procure equipment and supplies at significantly lower costs.” …”

    Send Big Sis to “Hoarding Treatment“!

    • Will they (Congress) buy this reasoning at a time when our economy is stagnant, and the country is deep in debt? Are they, DHS, trying to lock in a price with the vendors? When does delivery occur – in staggered amounts? I would want to see the contract especially if ammo is unavailable to civilians now. DHS and its affiliates are stockpiling for future events? I can see buying in bulk and locking in a price, but delivery doesn’t need to occur for the entire amounts ordered. It is peculiar that delivery was to organizations that don’t need ammo. I hope Sen. Coburn keeps questioning the reasoning because it doesn’t make sense to have it all delivered immediately or as soon as manufactured.

      • I heard on radio, but don’t have independent confirmation, that the contracts require the ammo manufacturers to fill government contracts BEFORE any others; therefore, ordering massive amounts creates and maintains shortages for civilians. I’d like to see the contract, too. Actually, it ought to be online somewhere, shouldn’t it?

  13. http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Customers-Rush-to-Store-to-Purchase-Guns-Ammo-201169221.html

    Customers Rush to Store to Purchase Guns, Ammo

    Today, Connecticut lawmakers plan to vote on possible new gun control laws that could be some of the toughest in the country.

    This was a big concern for gun owners, and thousands of them rushed to gun stores to stock up on guns and ammunition that could soon be illegal.

    “They’re insane, I’ve never seen them so busy before,” said Shari Reilly

    She bought high-capacity magazines at three different stores, from Norwalk to Newington, and she was irate over the possible changes.

    “Beyond words, I’ve been calling and emailing all my representatives,” Reilly said.

    State lawmakers could vote to ban those magazines sometime on Wednesday.

    Reilly said she depends on those magazines to protect her family. …”

  14. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/04/02/denver-cops-criticize-obama-in-advance-of-denver-speech/

    Denver Cops Criticize Obama In Advance Of Denver Speech

    Some current and former Denver police officers have taken to Facebook to criticize President Barack Obama’s planned use of Denver police officers as a backdrop for a Wednesday speech on gun control.

    This is wrong and it shouldn’t be happening,” said Mike Rossi, a retired Denver police detective who left the department in 2005.

    CBS4 has learned that the Denver Police Department has been asking for officers — in uniform — to volunteer to stand behind Obama as he makes his speech Wednesday at the Denver Police Academy. …

    Who better to stand behind you when you’re trying to ban guns than police officers. What an awesome prop,” said Rossi. He said DPD officers should not be used as a backdrop to make it appear the Denver Police Department and the City of Denver support stronger gun control measures.

    It’s agenda based and they shouldn’t be there,” said Rossi. “To me if you put Denver police officers behind the President, who is pushing this agenda, then what you are telling the citizens of the city is that the Denver Police Department is for this.” …”

  15. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/03/obama-criticized-for-using-dated-disputed-gun-stat-to-sell-background-checks/

    Obama criticized for using dated, disputed gun stat to sell background checks

    As President Obama prepares to head to Colorado on Wednesday to push gun control legislation, some are calling into question the validity of a key statistic he’s using to tout his message on near-universal background checks.

    During several speeches, Obama has said 40 percent of all gun purchases were made without a background check.

    But that number is nearly two decades old and comes from a poll with a relatively tiny sample size. Gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association, as well as The Washington Post’s “Fact Checker,” are calling out the president’s stat, saying his numbers on background checks need a background check of their own. …”

  16. http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/70291049-background-checks-gun-purchases-under-obama

    70,291,049 Background Checks for Gun Purchases Under Obama

    There have been 70,291,049 background checks for gun purchases since President Obama took office, according to data released by the FBI.

    In 2009, the FBI conducted 14,033,824 background checks. If we subtract the month of January (Obama did not assume office until the end of the month) we get 12,819,939.

    The FBI conducted 14,409,616 background checks in 2010, 16,454,951 in 2011, and 19,592,303 in 2012.

    Add to that the first three months of 2013 (2,495,440, 2,309,393 and 2,209,407, respectively) and the total number of background checks under President Obama comes to 70,291,049.

    Over the same time period, the number of background checks completed under President George W. Bush was 36,090,415, or about half the number conducted under Obama.”

    • Absolutely amazing statistics! 70 million people wanted to purchase guns during Obama’s reign. Nah, the country isn’t worried about his agenda! Where were those 70 million people during the November election? 20 million of those gun purchasers had to be democrats and they voted for the sucker.

      Good luck Obama at confiscating guns in America! America is speaking and saying there is no way in hell you will take away our right to bear arms!

      Who will be listening to the bloviating skeet shooter today. Who does he think he can convince to his way of thinking? What scare tactics will he use this time around? By the way who is writing his speeches where he uses outdated stats to present his case?

      • Did you hear his latest stunt? The magnificent Barry, in solidarity with sequestered public employees, is giving back 5% of his salary to the Treasury. If he’d give that percent of his entire income, I’d be more impressed.

    • Remember, too, that according to Barry, we have to add 28 million to that total of potential gun purchases because 40% of gun buys don’t go through background checks! That means nearly 100 MILLION people bought guns since Barry “took” office. That’s nearly 1 in 3 Americans bought guns, or tried to, since Jan. 2009.

  17. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/outrageous-dem-rep-degette-mocks-denver-senior-says-youd-probably-be-dead-anyway-if-confronted-by-armed-criminals-video/

    Outrageous!… Dem Rep. Degette Mocks Senior Citizen – Says “You’d Probably Be Dead Anyway” if Confronted by Armed Criminals

    On Tuesday night The Denver Post editorial board hosts a public forum on gun legislation at the national level. U.S. Reps. Diana DeGette and Ed Perlmutter, State Sen. Kevin Lundberg, and Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith are among the scheduled panelists. During the question and answer period a concerned Denver citizen asked Democratic Representative DeGette how he was supposed to defend himself under the new Colorado gun laws. DeGette smirked and mocked the senior citizen saying,

    “The good news for you, you live in Denver. The Denver PD would be there within minutes. (laughing) You’d probably be dead anyway.” …”

    Video at the link.

    • D’oh! Anti-gun Democrat makes ‘bullet’ gaffe”

      “A member of Congress who repeatedly has sponsored legislation to ban so-called “high-capacity” ammunition magazines is being asked to learn how they work before pursuing further action.

      The request to U.S. Rep. Diana DeGette, a Democrat who has represented Denver since the 1990s, comes from Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith.

      He wants the congresswoman to “get the facts.”

      The Denver Post said the request came at a forum the newspaper assembled to hear discussion on the issues of gun control.

      And it followed her statement about how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would help reduce gun violence.

      “I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available,” she said.

      The Post said DeGette “didn’t appear to understand” that a firearm magazine “can be reloaded with more bullets.”

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/doh-anti-gun-democrat-makes-bullet-gaffe/

      Published on April 2, 2013

      • But maybe she knows something we don’t “There won’t be anymore available”??? Course she doesn’t get it, I understand that, but just saying…maybe she’s heard something though.

        • Suojeluninja’s comment at YouTube:

          “Wait did she just admit planning to ban BULLETS?”

          • That woman is an idiot, apparently. Today she put out a statement clarifying her statement, which just makes more errors of fact: http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013/04/03/you-cant-fix-stupid-congresswoman-diana-degette-becomes-the-latest-colorado-democrat-embarrassed-nationally-by-her-own-words/

            YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID: Congresswoman Diana DeGette Becomes The Latest Colorado Democrat Embarrassed Nationally By Her Own Words

            UPDATE: It gets better. DeGette’s office responds by making another false statement about how guns work. Maybe making weed legal wasn’t a good idea? Or maybe lead sponsors on federal legislation and their staff should have to know about a topic before writing law on it.

            DeGette spokeswoman Juliet Johnson on Wednesday said the senior congresswoman from Denver “misspoke” and then issued another erroneous statement about guns.

            “The congresswoman has been working on a high-capacity assault magazine ban for years and has been deeply involved in the issue; she simply misspoke in referring to ‘magazines’ when she should have referred to ‘clips,’ which cannot be reused because they don’t have a feeding mechanism,” Johnson said.

            Actually, clips in most guns can be reused as well. …”

          • “Clips vs Magazines”

  18. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Somebody help me. While I certainly do NOT agree with everything she writes, LCs posts are quite sensible, lately.

  19. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/03/obama-gun-control-wont-lead-to-confiscation-because-i-am-constrained-by-a-system-our-founders-put-in-place/

    Barry does it again. Whines about the fact that he’s, in essence, not a dictator:

    Obama: Gun Control Won’t Lead to Confiscation Because ‘I Am Constrained by a System Our Founders Put in Place’

    Ratcheting up pressure for Congress to limit access to guns, President Barack Obama said Wednesday that recent steps by Colorado to tighten its gun laws show “there doesn’t have to be a conflict” between keeping citizens safe and protecting Second Amendment rights to gun ownership.

    “I believe there doesn’t have to be a conflict in reconciling these realities,” Obama said in Denver, where he stepped up his call for background checks for all gun purchases and renewed his demand that Congress at least vote on banning assault weapons and limiting access to large-capacity ammunition magazines.

    The president dismissed gun owners’ concerns that gun control legislation could be a stepping stone to gun confiscation in the U.S., saying “I am constrained by a system our founders put in place.” …”

    What a shame, huh? He did have all the UNIFORMED cops standing there as a backdrop. They should all be fired. The citizens of Denver ought to demand it. Whatever happened to not using public resources to advocate for political issues? Whatever happened to not using the color of your position in the government to advocate for political issues that those who pay your salary probably do not agree with?

    • Some of the Denver policemen did complain…I didn’t get the name but I heard at least one of them publicly protested on his facebook page. It was nice the sheriff’s protested.
      What has happened to this state used to be confined to the city of Boulder.
      As for Diana Degette…she is our Diane Feinstein/Barbara Boxer, but even dumber.

      • How does someone like her get through law school? Either she’s dumb or she’s acting dumb, which could be the case. Remember that this apparently stupid woman who doesn’t even understand how guns work is trying to make LAWS that INFRINGE (to say the least) upon our Constitutional rights. She will vote on it without even comprehending it. The only conclusion you can make, other than that she’s an idiot, is that she’s nothing more than a rubber-stamping toady for the DemoncRATS. Like San Fran Nan, she doesn’t HAVE TO READ or understand the bills; if necessary, she’ll find out later what’s in it. Her ONLY JOB is to vote in lockstep with the other DemoncRATS who pretend to represent the people but who actually do whatever their dictator tells them to do. Gateway Pundit has an article about the protest. I heard on radio that more people were at the protest than showed up for Barry’s speech. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/17-colorado-sheriffs-rally-against-gun-control-measures-across-town-from-obamas-rally-video/

  20. http://www.surenews.com/political/15-year-old-girl-leaves-anti-gun-politicians-speechless.htm

    EXCELLENT video of a speech against gun control by a young woman who schools listeners on the Constitution and gives them some really inconvenient truths about Chicago and how RACIST, even, gun control laws are! I would link it directly if I knew how.

  21. Will this work? POWER HOUSE GIRL WONDERWOMAN…..
    15 young smart and CORRECT…. 1%

  22. Onepersonsopinion 2 hours ago
    Asha Muneer – Stabbed in UK by ex Esther Arogundade – Stabbed in UK by ex Hatin Surucu – Shot in Germany by brothers Zorica H – Stabbed in Germany by ex Hina Saleem – Stabbed in Italy Fadime Sahindal – Sweden stabbed Anna Lindh – Swedish politician stabbed Sazan Bajez-Abdullah – Stabbed and set on fire (how civilized) Germany Rachel Manning – UK strangled Laura Wilson – UK stabbed and drowned by ex There’s more but point has been made. Do you think at least 1 would have liked some protection?

  23. ….. and now tons … of Comments …..
    ~ What part of FREEDOM do Morons not get?
    Liberals … get some SLEEP.. then WAKE UP!!! & STOP THIS!

  24. I need some sleep too…. from above…. here are the comments!

  25. OH …. I Just got IT…. click on the heading … top line of video…
    ~ 15 year old girl leaves anti-gun politicians sp….. then it will work.

  26. Barry just outright LIES:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-newtown-shooter-gunned-down-20-children-fully-automatic-weapon_714527.html

    Obama: Newtown Shooter Gunned Down 20 Children With ‘Fully Automatic Weapon’

    … At a fundraiser last night in San Francisco, President Barack Obama said that the Newtown killer gunned down 20 children using a “fully automatic weapon.” From the official transcript, provided by the White House:

    Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon — by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly. …”

    What was he doing at a FUNDRAISER in SAN FRANCISCO last night? It’s bad enough that he’s spending our money (during sequestration) to CAMPAIGN for unconstitutional laws to infringe upon our constitutional rights (while complaining that he’s not a dictator) but he then also flies an additional couple thousand miles (round trip) to raise funds! For what? How much did this jaunt cost us and how many WH tours would the money fund if not wasted by Barry?

    He uses that crap about hunters and sportsmen AS IF our tradition of gun ownership in the USA (as opposed to elsewhere, like fox hunters in the UK) isn’t ENSHRINED IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS AS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT THAT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED upon.

    They lie, they prevaricate, they spin. The REASON for the Second Amendment has nothing to do with sport shooting or hunting and EVERYTHING TO DO with protecting us from PRESIDENTS WHO LONG TO BE DICTATORS SO SINCERELY THAT THEY CAN’T STOP WISHING ALOUD FOR WHAT IS NOT AND (HOPEFULLY) WILL NEVER BE.

  27. Miri.. on Wonder~Woman… Video.. I typed the info & got another
    site… which allowed me to continue to a linkable source… cool!
    James Madison.. videos .. I clicked his name under his video..
    ~ Tricks we don’t mind… as we learn… as we all Trudge… along.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/themarylandminutemen?feature=watch

  28. The Employment-Population ratio January 1995 – March 2013:

    Employment-Population Ratio and Averages, January 1995 - March 2013

    March was another below average month, even by the Obama administration’s standards.

    • Amazing. Thanks. When will they wake up?

    • The new “Normal”! Millions on food stamps! Millions applying for disability! Millions unemployed! Crime rising. But the Obamas don’t suffer. They live in a royalty (taxpayer paid) bubble.

      • I heard on Hannity’s radio show that now 90 MILLION People are no longer looking for work…90 MILLION have given up the search!

        About 47 Million are on Food Stamps…and the numbers are climbing as those without jobs and who have gone through their savings join the dependency club. The distribution of wealth that the left feels everyone is entitled hasn’t reached its peak. Yes, buttttt, jobs are the Usurper’s first priority and he thinks about every single unemployed person every morning when he wakes up while admiring himself in the mirror. Oh sure, all those he has pushed onto welfare are thrilled with the way they have to live from hand to mouth. No extras for them, but there is no end to all that the First Half and Half man takes. The Taker in Chief and his wife Mooch have set records for being the most greedy, goin’ on up’, couple that ever resided in the WH.

        I see in the future a “Spongers Anonymous Club” evolving when the Left is finally sent back to their basements and closets, and those who want jobs finally have them. Yet there will be some that can’t overcome the dependency on government mentality. They will need the Spongers to get them off their a@@ and working according to societal rules once again.

        The radical Left will be punished for being the anti-Americans they are. Their day is coming, there is no doubt in my mind. They will rue the day they chose to transform our America.

        • Wow. 90 million? That’s hard to believe, given the population. I wonder where Hannity got that stat? It’s not surprising, though. More and more takers and fewer and fewer givers, until the whole house of cards collapses. Did you see that Barry wants to push the banks into giving loans to people who can’t afford to pay them back, just what caused the last collapse in 2008? It’s no coincidence that they’re allowing banks to continue to use our money and pay us mere pittances in interest. Older people who have saved all their lives, hoping that the growth in their savings from interest will see them through retirement, are seeing the interest DUE TO THEM being siphoned off to be REDISTRIBUTED to those who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it. In Cyprus, they openly gave savers a “haircut” of 40%. Here, Barry just keeps interest rates low for YEARS so that he can intimidate, bribe, and threaten the banks into giving those excess profits to him to redistribute to his peeps.

  29. I haven’t posted for a while. I find it difficult. I kind of agree with drkate,
    the usurper can’t suceed but neither can the usurper be stopped.
    He has charted his own failure and the train wreck will gather momentum.
    Drkate recomends living the best life you can rather than dissipating your energies in futile politics.

    Nobody has ever succeeded in ruling the world,
    this builderburger attempt is the latest coming failure but not without large amounts of pain.

    We need to be ready to begin again, this stupid culture of libtards and hollywood and vampires and video murder games is going to crash, big time. Yeah I said libtards.

    It need not take any right thinking person down with it.

    Am I depressed? I don’t think so. But with the train wreck coming I will stand aside.

    Is North Korea saying look here and miss that? Probably.

  30. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Do I sound like a pessimist if I state I do not think we will recover? Why do I believe this? Because I’m a realist. We’ve been screaming about the impending doomsday which we knew would occur since 2007. That’s a really long time!. They’ve accomplished so much destruction in such a short period of time because they had their man IN.

    Carter wreaked a little havoc, HW Bush’s “read my lips, no new taxes” sealed his fate, Clinton wreaked more havoc and hastened moral decay. GW, while basically a good man, was no angel. He was either complicit or allowed himself to be pushed into TARP-I by his appointee Paulson who ran around like Henny Penny crying “the sky is falling!”. But this one,…well he was trained by terrorists and communists. And we knew it. The only thing the ignoramuses could only see was his color. And the media was having (sorry, girls) multiple *rga$ms because he was (imagine Aflak commercial, “halfblack”.

    Simply stated, the reason I believe we are past the point of recovery is because the Takers outnumber the Producers. It’s basic mathematics.

    • Rosemary Woodhouse

      Wow, really great sentence structure, RW! Never allow a post to go unedited.

      “Only the only thing the ignoramuses could only see was his color.”

      Only. You think?!

  31. The one reason to worry about an NFL player coming out as gay would be the inevitable avalanche of horrible jokes, hateful responses, and insane scrutiny, all directed at one human being. Nobody deserves that, and it would be ugly. But as Ayanbadejo says, “If they could share the backlash, it would be more positive.”

    Yea….. as “THEY” …. did… & DO towards the ‘TEA PARTY”
    & Palin & BIRTHERS … or BEING A RACIST!!! etc…..
    NOBODY DESERVES THAT!!!

  32. No money for WH tours, but plenty of money for a gun control stunt:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-bring-newtown-families-aboard-air-force-154234665–politics.html

    White House to bring Newtown families aboard Air Force One

    Air Force One will take families of the victims of the Newtown, Conn., shootings to Washington with President Barack Obama after his speech on Monday on gun violence at the University of Hartford, the White House confirmed after news reports.

    The White House invited the families who lost loved ones in December’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School to fly with the president so that they may both attend the speech on Monday and still get to Washington in time to speak with lawmakers this week about gun legislation.

    Obama and the White House have been publicly urging Congress to act swiftly on gun reform, but that push increases this week as Congress returns from recess and Senate Democrats prepare to introduce gun-reform legislation. …”

    Is this even legal? To use Air Force One for a political campaign to infringe upon our Second Amendment rights? Imagine if GWB had flown people to DC to lobby Congress for the Iraq war! I’m sure these select families will be the usual subjects.

    • I don’t see any heading to put SAndy Hook info on anymore…guess the original Hoax stuff is just history now, but I got to thinking after just picking one of the adult Murder Victims and looking into her…………….this: Dead people in a HOAX situation have a lot of free time on their hands… and are also perhaps very busy up till the time of their death!!!! THey must prepare lots of things up to the time of their death…(you know, just like if you knew you weren’t going to be around anymore and you knew your time of death, you’d get busy tying up all loose ends of your life….you might even write your bio, or your eulogy, or put some of your assets into someone elses NAME. You might even plan your funeral..(I’ve known people who did this). Well, anyway I checked into Rachel D’Avino and she does have three other names she goes by….I see where someone else found that to be the case too. Rachel is also Rachel Wilson, and Rachel LaFrance and also Rachel Avino. Well, one last name at age 34 could be a married last name but rarer to be that she’s been married twice and was getting ready to be married a third time. I also checked those names out and all of them link to some interesting links.La France, Davino both have ties to many mental health people. One could say because of her line of work she knows these people, but how about Crisis experts, how about lots of Florists(flowers for a funeral perhaps). How about many funeral homes (why) and fire departments and EMT friends. How about, she has a link to a FOX news journalist lady …..and many of her linked friends/associates went to that same University in Ct. that Lanza was supposed to have gone to. How about associates who are specialists in alcohol addiction. There are more, but the funeral home and florist associations, oh and associates that are computor savy and are Event Planners.???????? There’s more, but do you get the picture????? Some bios of Rachel, by her aunt or one was by a friend, tell a different timeline as to when Rachel come to work at Sandy Hook. Some say she had only been there a couple weeks, some say a couple months, and one or two say that was her first day or two on the job.
      I noticed today another father testified on behalf of his murdered son….and was all about leaving the laws as they were, but to just enforce them…..well I say he was just another tool in the tactics to make us believe that this was all true. The damage they have already done, why did he wait this long? I’m a believer in the Hooker Hoax and Obama is still an illegitimate long Legged Mac DAddy as Manning likes to say. I’m a birther so you can call me a ‘TWO-FER! ‘

      • alfy, I’m trying to decide if we need another Sandy Hook thread. We have two already. (Maybe three!) If you go to the front page and enter “Sandy Hook” in the search, it should show you the posts. Here’s the latest one: https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/sandy-hook-massacre-the-saga-continues/#comments If you have something specific to Sandy Hook, you can put it there. I posted that thing about the Sandy Hook families on the gun control/treaty thread because it’s sort of part of Barry’s campaign against gun control, not really specific to research into the incident. I can’t remember all the players anymore. I remember one of the “teachers” wasn’t even qualified to BE a teacher. I can’t remember if this is the one or not. One of them wasn’t listed as working there, but at some other school. That’s a good point about how people who plan to be in on a hoax will be a “prepper” for the after effects. I wonder if Starfelt …

        • Hmm Starfelt, hmm… I’ll look for a place to post this stuff next time. But while we’re on this …you are right one woman wasn’t listed at the school. They used the excuse , she hadn’t been there but a few days/some said weeks…..that is the lady I am referring to Rachel..there’s a photo of her with her brown dog. That’s the lady. Guess what, if this is a county school , she’d have been listed. You don’t come to work, just show up for work and later get put into the sytem…that wouldn’t work in their hiring and money appropriations for an additional teacher. Her mother or aunt said she was supposed to go to work sooner (which would even give her more time to be in the system),but she had the flu so she was not able to come the week earlier like she was supposed to. Many excuses for her not EVEN being listed as a teacher/aid/her training was in psychological counselor type training…like kids with autism, social problems, ect.(you know like ADAM). Funny, her bio even says she loved to play dress up and ACTING. she was a good little actor! And her funeral home associations, weird. you do recall how these kids, some of them were buried on the 16th, yet I’ve never seen so much coordinated colors for funerals, even the men had purple ties for the Hockley kid or the Pozener kid. All of them had coordinated color themes, balloons, scarfs, TIES. How many men are going to find a purple tie a day before a funeral??? One photo at RAchel D’avino’s funeral shows the back of two women dressed in there preverbial funeral dark clothing, yet they had what appeared to be a brand new RAINBOW colored umbrella. Just too weird. I’ll post this stuff next time on Sandy Hookers to be sure.
          Question, how do you write and request files in federal archives on someone, or state court records,What is the best way to go about it?

  33. Margaret Thather … The “IRON LADY” age 87 died today.

  34. Yep…it ain’t over yet…. Sandy Hook…doing everything to take away
    & CONTROL our every move…. Sandy Hook is so very sad true!

    Evil will exist … Lanza ..etc. … Good will exist…. Superman… BatMan…
    STOP allowing the nuts …. McCain & all TELLING US HOW to be NORMAL! STOP IT! Money talks LOUD & we hear IT $$$$$ LOUD!

    • Now they’re calling it 12/14 to try to make some kind of symbolic analogy with 9/11. You know why I find this offensive? Read here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57578294/newtown-families-voice-support-for-gun-control/ All planned and orchestrated and astroturfed, up to having Barry fly them into DC on Air Force One.

      Newtown families voice support for gun control

      They’re part of a group called Sandy Hook Promise which works for change and remembrance.

      Jimmy Greene: Our daughter, Ana was six years old. And in those six years, can look back and say it was an honor to know her. She taught me about how to love, how to give. She was beautiful and every day I cry.

      Francine Wheeler: This is Benjamin Andrew Wheeler. Ben was six years old. He has a brother named Nate. And Nate was hiding when he heard Ben and his classmates and educators get shot.

      Mark Barden: And we lost our sweet little Daniel Barden. He was known as the kid that would talk to somebody sitting alone. He was genuinely an old soul.

      Nicole Hockley: This is Dylan. I think the picture kind of sums him up perfectly. He was always smiling and always laughing. And he was very pure. Possibly because of his age. He was six. And possibly because he was autistic.

      Neil Heslin: I’m Neil Heslin, Jesse Lewis’s dad. Jesse was six years old. He was my best friend and my buddy. He’d introduce himself as Jesse and Daddy. He was my whole life. …”

      It goes on that way. What does this remind you of, though? The plot device in movies where they make a point, when a child is abducted, to have the parent go on TV to personalize the kid for the perp. To make the kid real, so that the perp doesn’t think of the child in abstract terms but as a real, living, breathing person. So why is it offensive? Because these people are politicizing the deaths of their own children and treating We the People AS IF WE’RE VICIOUS MURDERERS because we believe that our Second Amendment rights are too important to surrender. THE LIFE OF OUR REPUBLIC DEPENDS UPON OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I sympathize with their loss (if any), but because they have suffered losses does not mean that We the People must SACRIFICE OUR RIGHTS AND OUR COUNTRY TO THEIR CAUSE. WE ARE NOT THE PERPETRATORS. OUR LAW-ABIDING EXERCISE OF OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT ADAM LANZA DID (IF ANYBODY DID ANYTHING). We don’t need you to go on TV and like Kate Nelligan in “Without a Trace” try to make your children real to us. WE ARE NOT THE PERPETRATORS OF THE VIOLENCE YOU ABHOR. Your behavior is offensive. I’m sorry, but that’s my opinion. Blame the killers, not We the People. We aren’t desensitized to what happens every day. We mourn the loss to “gun violence” of every person killed in the USA. Therefore, we would expect our government to FIRST enforce the laws on the books today. Why do they prosecute only a tiny fraction of the people who fail gun background checks? Why do they not prosecute gun violations to the fullest extent of the law in, for example, Chicago where fully 86% of those murdered in cold blood every year on the streets are killed by teens with ILLEGAL GUNS?

    • you are so right Zen, Obama’s going to parade the Sandy Hookers behind him like he did the medical profession and gave em white coats. Oh yeah, play the sypathy card and put a face to it….well better yet show the damn bloody scene, kids brutally murdered, they would if they actually had any evidence, show it.The media loves to use that stuff when evoking us to a political cause.
      And 86% of Chicagoans killed by illegal guns/gangs, ….prosecute to the fullest, ……and most of these thugs are RepEAT offenders, so what should that tell you?

  35. Like Obamacare, they have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it:

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/04/11/gun-bill-passes-senate-cloture-despite-the-fact-that-no-senator-has-actually-seen-it/

    Gun Bill Passes Senate Cloture, Despite the Fact that No Senator Has Actually Seen It

    The gun bill passed cloture in the Senate with 68 votes today.

    How does this happen, in what we are told is the world’s greatest deliberative body, when senators have not even seen the text of the legislation?

    Speaking on the Senate floor minutes before the vote to move gun-control legislation forward, Mike Lee (R., Utah) urged postponing the cloture vote because none of his Senate colleagues has yet had a chance to read the entire bill. “We’re trying to prevent the ability of members to push through legislation before anyone has had the time to read and evaluate the language,” Lee said. “As of this morning, as of this very moment, not a single senator has been provided the legislative text of” the background-check provision proposed yesterday by senators Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey, which Lee said was the “centerpiece of this legislation.” …

    Obama’s political army OFA is already emailing its minions to keep the pressure up on Congress to pass the bill — which no one has actually read.

    But table that for a minute. President Obama promised that Americans would have 72 hours to read bills, which would be posted online, before they would be voted on or passed. Instead of that, we have an opaque government that continues voting on laws that even members of Congress have not read.

    This is unacceptable in a republic. We should not be passing bills in order to find out what is in them.”

    • (h/t Observer at CW)

      April 11, 2013

      Cheryl K. Chumley:

      “Sen. Mark Kirk: Booze and boat parties smoothed bipartisan gun deal”

      Sen. Mark Kirk says the real driving force behind the gun deal that was hatched by bipartisan work was booze and boat retreats.

      The Illinois Republican said to reporters that visits to the Black Tie, a yacht owned by Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin, played a large role in the Democratic-Republican come-together over background checks and other legislation related to gun control, Roll Call reported.

      “You guys really ought to go out to National Harbor and see the Black Tie, which has been much of the reason for much of the bipartisan cooperation around here,” he said, as quoted in Roll Call.

      Frequent visitors to the luxury vessel: Democrat Sen. Kay Hagan and Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, Mr. Kirk said.

      “Sometimes alcoholic beverages might be served and ties might … get loosened,” he said, in Roll Call.

      Mr. Manchin and Mr. Kirk are known in the Senate as great friends, both in and out of office, Roll Call said.”

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/11/sen-mark-kirk-booze-and-boat-parties-smoothed-bipa/#ixzz2QCphwRy1

  36. 46 Senators Willing to Trash 2nd Amendment, Surrender Sovereignty to UN
    Friday, April 12, 2013
    Packalert Press 4-11-13 Ventura county tea party

    Please sure all your friends in every State see these names. The vote and the bill is a matter of public record.

    Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.

    The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:

    “To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

    The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.

    Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.

    from Senate records- a nay indicates unwillingness to stop the unconstitutional UN treaty:

    U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 113th Congress – 1st Session

    as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

    Vote Summary –

    Cont’s @ Link –

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3007232/posts

  37. By chance I came upon this FR link from 2002. It’s an article you have to read it in it’s entirety. But one thing I wanted to point out once again was the Communist Alger Hiss’s connection to the UN. Miri, maybe a post one day regarding the Alger Hiss connection to Obama’s, ex would excellent idea I think 😉

    The UN is Communist

    EtherZone October 11, 2002 Alan Stang

    Posted on Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:21:24 PM by SEA

    THE UN IS COMMUNIST

    By: Alan Stang

    Snip ~

    The UN was founded at the San Francisco Conference in 1945, as the war was coming to an end. The Secretary-General at the UN conference was a distinguished gentleman names Alger Hiss, movie star-handsome, endlessly efficient and consummately charming. Hiss helped draft the UN Charter. Without credentials signed by Alger Hiss, it was impossible to get into the conference. In a historic news photo that probably appeared on the front page of every newspaper in the United States, President Harry S. Truman and Hiss are shown together on the dais.

    As Director of the State Department’s Office of Special Political Affairs, Hiss appointed the members of the U.S. delegation to the UN. At the infamous Yalta Conference in the Soviet Union, in February, 1945, where much of this was arranged and where central Europe was secretly deeded to Stalin, Hiss stood at the dying Roosevelt’s elbow.

    There was only one problem. Alger Hiss was later exposed as a Soviet spy; he was convicted of perjury and imprisoned for lying under oath about his Communist activities. No doubt that was why, at the first London Conference in 1946, a couple of years before he was exposed, Hiss arranged for the Soviets to run UN military activities and for the United States to run UN financial activities, which meant in effect that the Soviet Union won the right to run the UN and we won the right to pay for it. It is important to note that Alger Hiss was just one of many Soviet UN maggots. How likely is it, do you think, that George W. Bush doesn’t know all this?

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/763809/posts

  38. “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”…Barack Obama

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