Electoral College Votes Counted Today (Open Thread)

© Miri WTPOTUS January 4, 2013

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Today is the day that the Electoral College votes will be counted. Today is the day that we will see if anybody objects to the failure of Barack Hussein Obama II to “qualify” for the presidency.

Here‘s a short explanation of what will happen:

In a ceremony that starts today at 1 p.m. in the House Chamber, tradition dictates Senate pages carry boxes with votes from the states into the Senate, where they’re then passed from hand to hand. The Senate Parliamentarian, Elizabeth MacDonough, presents the votes to the secretary of the Senate, Nancy Erickson, who passes the results to House Parliamentarian Thomas J. Wickham Jr., who hands them to Vice President Biden. All members of Congress – both from the House of Representatives and the Senate – are expected be present for the ceremony.

Biden will give the results to tellers, who verify their authenticity and record each vote.

At the end of it all, Biden will read the results and have them recorded for posterity. Most likely the vice president will tell us what we already know – that he and Obama have been reelected.

The only possible disruption to this process would be if both a House or Senate member submitted a challenge to a state’s vote tally in writing. That would trigger each chamber to consider and vote on the objection.

From the U.S. Code:

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision …

From Amendment 20 of the U.S. Constitution:

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Notice that if one reads carefully, it appears that the onus is upon the President elect to QUALIFY for the office.  When does one become President elect?  After the election or after the electoral votes are counted and “recorded for posterity?”

If the latter, then it seems to me that there is still a period of time between the counting of the electoral votes and the swearing in during which a President elect can FAIL to qualify. Whatever the case, the ONUS clearly is upon the person wanting to become president to prove that he or she qualifies.  Otherwise, how can one “fail” to qualify?  There’s a test and the person passes or fails.  There’s no presumption that any person IS qualified until others prove that he or she is NOT qualified.  The onus is upon the person to prove his or her qualifications.

You can watch the farce live on C-SPAN at 1:00 P.M. Eastern time.

In related news, it should come as no surprise that Orly Taitz was frustrated in her latest quest to prove Obama’s ineligibility:

A federal judge has rejected a challenge by so-called “birthers” seeking to halt Friday’s scheduled counting of Electoral College votes for President Barack Obama in their latest attempt to overturn Obama’s presidency.

In a courtroom packed with supporters of the birther movement, U.S. District Court Judge Morrison C. England rejected the petition for a temporary restraining order filed by Orly Taitz, a California dentist and attorney who has lost challenges in several states seeking to prove that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

The judge ruled Thursday that the petition did not meet the basic requirements for a restraining order, including that attorneys prove their case is likely to succeed at a trial, and said the plaintiffs lacked standing, failed to submit legal documents on time and had made unsupported claims.

“The state of Hawaii has already certified all of this to be not true,” the judge said. …

England rejected Taitz’s pleas to allow a man from Florida to testify about what she said are inconsistencies in the typeface on the birth certificate Obama released, which she said would “prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the documents are forgeries.”

The judge said he had only approved oral arguments during a “courtesy hearing,” which was not legally required, to “show that this court would look at the arguments presented.” …

“Even if this is all true in their wildest hopesthey haven’t presented any evidence to show that he is not a natural born citizen,” [Taitz’s opponent Assistant U.S. Attorney Edward] Olsen added.

Here’s another story that continues in the Alinsky ridicule vein.

Taitz sought to introduce evidence from witnesses about the font size of the type on the president’s birth certificate, as well as from an investigation launched by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County.

Obama staffers had long ignored the claims, but finally addressed them in the latest campaign when Donald Trump began to raise the issue. A copy of the president’s birth certificate from Hawaii was posted on the White House website in an effort to put the matter to an end.

Mention of that by Assistant U.S. Attorney Edward Olsen, who was representing the federal government in court Thursday, brought derisive chuckles from the courtroom audience.

It’s interesting that Olsen didn’t bother to bring to court a CERTIFIED copy of “the president’s birth certificate from Hawaii.”  It’s interesting that the judge allowed no evidence to be introduced.

How much simpler it would be to put the issue to rest by presenting this judge (and the world) with proof that Obama is eligible, by admitting into evidence the “proof” (the birth certificate) that Obama and Olsen want us to believe exists. If Hawaii truly certified that Obama is eligible by producing an authentic, certified birth certificate for Obama’s lawyers, then what’s the problem with presenting it to a court of law?

Upon WHAT does this judge base his conclusion that Hawaii has certified Obama’s eligibility, if there’s no evidence presented to the court?

As you can see, Assistant U.S. Attorney Olsen seems rather unfamiliar with the Constitution, which puts the onus upon the candidate “to qualify” and not upon objectors to PROVE that the person “is not a natural born citizen.”

To accept all comers as presumed qualified for the most powerful office in the world until proven unqualified defies logic and common sense.  And yet that’s exactly what Obama supporters want everyone to believe.

Some “obots” even cry, “innocent until proven guilty,” when someone questions Obama’s eligibility, as if failing to qualify for the presidency is a crime.  It’s not.

No more than failing to qualify for any other JOB is a crime.

No employer assumes that every job applicant is qualified.  Job applicants must prove their qualifications to their employers.

No person is OWED a particular job. No law demands that a person be given the job, unless the employer can PROVE that the person does not qualify. That’s insane.

But then again, we’re talking about obots, who prefer to accuse us of being racist bigots instead of simply looking at our arguments rationally.  We would be as opposed to any other candidate who refuses to prove that he or she is qualified UNDER THE CONSTITUTION for the presidency.

The votes are to be counted very shortly.  Let the circus begin.

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155 responses to “Electoral College Votes Counted Today (Open Thread)

  1. http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
    Supposedly you can watch on CSPAN live.

    This is my 150th post! I can’t believe that. How time flies when you’re having fun. I got this one in under the wire. Ten minutes and counting until the farce begins.

  2. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/an-open-letter-to-the-honorable-chief-justice/
    “An open letter to the honorable chief justice
    Exclusive: Craige McMillan urges John Roberts to refuse to administer Obama’s oath”

    This writer challenges Roberts to refuse to swear Obama in again. He says it’s known by now that Barry has failed to qualify (in so many words).

  3. The CSPAN reporter is discussing Democrat fears that states now run by GOP governors might change the way electoral votes are counted in the future. His example, I think, is that some states may either go to or change from a “winner take all” system.

    Whoa. The guy just talked about how the electoral college was set up to protect the small states AND to prevent an “unqualified” person from being elected. Well, so far that hasn’t worked out so well.

  4. Shout out to Miri on the big 150!!!!!! You are appreciated!

  5. The video froze right at the point Biden should have called for objections. When the video began again, I did not see his lips moving. Someone was whispering to him when the video started again and then he adjourned the session. What a coinkidink. The lapse was about less than a minute but more than enough time for him to say (off camera) that he called for objections. Maybe he did; maybe he didn’t. I was watching it online at C-SPAN. I don’t know if CNN or others covered it or, if they did, whether they have it on video what happened during those seconds the C-SPAN site was frozen. I couldn’t tell what the whisperer said, but he quickly adjourned the session. So there was no objection that was put into the record. And, at this point, I can’t say whether or not he followed protocol and called for objections. We remember that in 2009, Pelosi and others created a distraction and Cheney didn’t call for objections, either.

  6. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/01/04/white-house-9-11-12-white-house-photo-during-benghazi-7-hour-seige/

    You all might like to see this one. Somebody found a photo taken in the WH Oval Office when Barry was ALLEGEDLY in the Situation Room, watching Benghazi go down.

    • Well, I for one think it is too obvious of a photo…..to be able to ‘investigate’ what the paper reads. There is a reason Biden’s notes were able to be photographed. Either to plant info on Americans to frame a scenario or by a traitor to the Obama Administration who did not like what was going on and decided to ‘document’. It is to obvious that this is what the entire picture was meant to capture. At least to me. Vacillating between synical and hopeful, that’s me.

      • http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/04/white-house-finally-releases-1st-briefing-photo-of-obama-on-night-of-benghazi-attack/ That story talks about the photo, too.

        White House finally releases 1st briefing photo of Obama on night of Benghazi attack; Update: 3 months old?

        The White House in any modern administration has an official photographer whose duty is to take pictures all day long of official and unofficial activities of the President. Sometimes those events are obviously momentous, while others only become so in retrospect. The White House releases some into the public domain on its Flickr site, but only those that please the administration. Others — like the photos of Barack Obama being briefed on the unfolding attack on our consulate in Benghazi on September 11th — require a little more effort to have released. In this case, it took public criticism (and perhaps the threat of a lawsuit) from several media outlets to get this picture released (via Fox and The Blaze):

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        Jason Howerton argues that it at least corroborates what has been established earlier:

        While the photo doesn’t provide a lot of information, the picture does seem to confirm that Obama was briefed on the night of the Benghazi attack — and by whom. What was said — well, that’s another story.

        Actually, that will be the story. In this case, at least, a picture isn’t worth one of the actual words spoken. I doubt we’ll learn much from any of the photos taken that night, but the White House certainly makes it seem like we might with their strange cat-and-mouse strategy on releasing what should be public records. … [It took them time to photoshop it!]

        Update: A non-story just got a little more … non. The White House may be coy on releasing all of the photos taken that night, but not this one. Jeryl Bier did a little cache digging and discovered that this got uploaded in October, about a month after it was taken — and even got used by Bag News in one of its posts a couple of days later. Check out the screen shots in Jeryl’s posts. Maybe Fox and The Blaze need to revisit this story a bit.”

        • Good going, Miri. So, it was not ‘just released’ today? Ok, did the WH re-release it as new after releasing it but burying it? No matter what happens and what the usurped do, they just don’t go down. (Well, except for Joe. lol)

          • LOL! Here are two items about “Uncle Joe”:

            And this story:
            http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/03/best-of-biden-swearing-in-edition-spread-your-legs-youre-going-to-be-frisked/

            Best of Biden, swearing-in edition: ‘Spread your legs — you’re going to be frisked’

            In case you missed this hour of must-see TV, we’ve recapped Biden’s best comments.

            “Spread your legs — your [sic] going to be frisked,” Biden said to North Dakota’s newest senator, Democrat Heidi Heitkamp, and her family, after the photographer suggested they “drop your hands to the side.” …

            You’ve got beautiful eyes, mom,” Biden told Nebraska Sen. Deb Fischer’s mom, whom he flirted with throughout the mock-swearing in and the photograph. …

            He also shamelessly flirted with Wyoming Sen. John Barrasso’s mother.

            “Hey mom, how are you? I’m Joe Biden,” he said as she approached, then wrapped her up in a hug. At that point, Barrasso joked, “She told me she liked Cheney better.”

            Barrasso’s mom looked like she liked Biden just fine, smiling as he pressed his face close to hers. [what choice did she have?]

            More flirting, this time with Maine Sen. Angus King’s wife. “Who should I look at?” she asked, standing between Biden and her husband as he took the oath.

            “I’d prefer you look at me, but you can look at him if you’d like,” Biden replied.

            King’s wife proceeded to stare straight at her husband for the duration of the oath. … “

        • Almost immediately after you posted non-story, the comments began to dry on around town where this story is playing.

          • Hmmm. I wonder what’s going on? Well, what’s new? I’ve been wondering what’s going on since the first time I heard his name.

      • I agree with you that it’s almost too obvious. People are talking about exif data. We have to remember that by NOW, everybody knows about it and is aware that they need to make it agree with the “story”. Metadata CAN BE EDITED AND/OR FORGED. That’s a fact. So just because the exif data puts it at that time, it means nothing. I put NOTHING past them, especially when you have Pelosi ADMITTING to forging “official” photos. In addition, just because some say they found the photo on other sites as early as Dec. 12, that means nothing, either. Who doesn’t believe that they can get stuff put onto Flicker or into Google cache, appearing AS IF it were uploaded earlier? Remember, this guy admires and imitates Soviets. You have Putin admitting that he stages his little escapades, like “finding” underwater treasure. If it makes for a good story and inspires people, he sees nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with Orwellian staging of or recreating of history. So …

        We’re supposed to believe, as you suggest, that Biden just happens to be holding those notes in such a way as to make them legible and to place the photo in time by referring to “B B” and the phone call? Too pat. Too obvious. It’s BOGUS. The question is: Where the hell WAS Barry? In any case, he was supposed to be in the Situation Room.

    • A trick I learned sometime ago is to print out or copy and then take the image and fax it. Boom, something happens. Discovered this when going through genealogy photo comments that were blurry. When someone faxed to me the writing was decipherable. Weird.

    • comment at the link notices Biden not wearing wedding ring.

      • Have you seen all the stories about how he was mashing on the wives of incoming senators or on the senators themselves, if female, when they were practicing the swearing in ceremony? He was hugging one woman (wife of Sen. King?) for far too long, and rubbing up and down her side. Then he was making eyes at others and even told one woman to spread her legs, she’s going to be frisked. It’s unseemly, to say the least.

        • Debauchery.

          • http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/beau-biden-defends-dads-pda-85775.html

            Beau Biden defends dad’s PDA

            Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden said Friday that dad Joe Biden’s public displays of affection while swearing in senators on Thursday are part of what makes him popular among his colleagues.

            “Is that the same guy you know behind the cameras?” MSNBC’s Chris Jansing asked him on air.

            “Look, I’ve got a great dad. If I’m half as good a dad to my two kids as my dad has been to me and my brother and sister, my kids will be lucky,” the rising Democratic politician said. “I think it’s one of the reasons he’s so successful among Democrats and so successful across the aisle with Republicans over the course of 36-plus years on the national stage.”

            On Thursday, the vice president grabbed attention for joking with his colleagues during the ceremony. [he grabbed a**]

            I want you next to me,” he told one senator’s wife. “You got a smile that lights up the chamber. Your smile lights up the room. Come on, sis, get in here.”

            Another quip to the husband of Sen. Heidi Heitkamp: “Spread your legs, you’re about to be frisked. Drop your hands. You say that to somebody in North Dakota, they think it’s a frisk. You think you’re in trouble if they tell to you drop your hands at your side.”” [I heard he said that to the SENATOR HERSELF, not to her husband.]

            As usual, Politico to the rescue with the spin.

            • Well, with his open debauchery they all love him because he probable has something on them like what he did with them……??????????? (just jesting, Oh Watchful Ones, so not starting any rumors. Although he does that well enough on his own, eh?)

  7. http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/01/04/taxpayer-bill-obamas-hawaii-vacations-20-million/

    Taxpayer Bill for Obama’s Hawaii Vacations: $20 Million

    Michelle Obama recently revealed that she and President Obama don’t give Christmas gifts to each other. They merely say, “We’re in Hawaii,” and that’s Christmas gift enough.

    But actually the present is from taxpayers, and it’s an expensive one.

    The total cost to taxpayers of Obama’s vacations to Hawaii since becoming president is likely in excess of $20 million, and possibly much, much more. During a time of budget deficits that threaten the nation’s security and its future, the Obamas have chosen to maintain a “family tradition” and vacation halfway around the world instead of finding far cheaper alternatives closer to home.

    The $20 million figure is based on estimates of the cost of the four Hawaii vacations the Obamas have taken during Christmastime 2009-2012. According to a detailed breakdown by the Hawaii Reporter, the annual excursions in 2009, 2010, and 2011 cost about $4 million, much of it attributable to the expense of taking Air Force One, at an hour rate of about $180,000, on an eighteen-hour roundtrip journey to Honolulu and back.

    But $4 million almost certainly underestimates the true tally, as it does not include many miscellaneous items like the cost of flying advance teams out to Hawaii and separate flights Michelle Obama took in 2010 and 2011, when she left ahead of her husband, who was forced to stay in Washington to finish up work with Congress.

    This year, Obama returned from Hawaii to complete a deal on the Fiscal Cliff and then jetted back to Honolulu, where he is now engaged in Part 2 of his vacation. The second roundtrip flight added about $3.24 million to the tab this time, bringing the cost of the 2012-1013 vacation to well over $7 million.

  8. Nancy says photoshop is an ‘accuarate historical records’. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pelsoi-photoshops-women-photo_693697.html

  9. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Countin

    The video is there. Beginning about 23:00 in, Biden records the votes. This video doesn’t pause, like it did live. You can see the people speaking to Biden and then he declares the session “dissolved”. There were no objections called for. I don’t know it that means he knew there were none submitted in advance in writing; but the code doesn’t say they have to notify in advance. It says only that they must be written and signed by someone from each house of Congress. Really, it’s no surprise. Remember how butterdezillion was sending letters to all members of both houses of Congress, putting them on notice and advising them to object? Well, I read at Free Republic that all of the letters were routed only to HER representatives. I don’t really know what that means. Whether this was done once they got to the Congress or whether the postal service took it upon itself to re-route the letters. But it seems to me that whatever the case, if something is addressed to a specific person, that person should be receiving the item and not someone else. But as with everything else in the Obamanation, if they can throw a monkey wrench into anybody’s plans to lawfully exercise their rights as a US citizen, then they will, if it furthers Barry’s excellent adventure in ineligibility.

    • “Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day,…”
      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

      A Hall of Empty Chairs! Clint Eastwood also spoke to an Empty Chair.

      “Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.”
      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

      Can it be said that a call for objections should have been asked for after reading each and every “such certificate or paper”?

      Empty Chairs cannot make objections.

      Miri; “But it seems to me that whatever the case, if something is addressed to a specific person, that person should be receiving the item and not someone else.”

      Congress persons have made it an Empty Chair for inquiries from citizens not from their district if not citizens from their own district.

      Moral of the story for this 113th Congress: Empty Chairs once again…

      • Good reading, azgo. It could be interpreted as meaning that they should have asked for objections after the reading of EACH state’s certificate or paper. I sat through the entire 57 50 states, waiting patiently for the moment when I expected Biden to ask for objections. You’re right. Empty chairs cannot object. The story I quoted said they expected the entire Congress (both houses) to be present. Obviously, there were MANY empty seats. Pelosi and Reid were quite lovey dovey, btw. Maybe we ought to take SOME comfort in the fact that so many sat it out, but probably, like Barry, they’re simply resuming their “holiday” that they got gypped out of (can I say that?) by having to do their jobs, which they delayed doing for something like 10 years, according to Rand Paul.

        I’m sorry, but I misread butterdezillion’s post. She FAXED the letters and they got delivered all to her representatives and senators and NONE to the other representatives and senators from other states. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2974657/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

        It would have cost her a lot more money, but maybe all should have been sent certified mail, return receipt requested. Seems the rule is that they have to deliver it to that person. Isn’t it? Isn’t there a type of mail that must be delivered in person and signed for by that person and not a representative?

        • Miri, thanks for the reply.

          “Isn’t there a type of mail that must be delivered in person and signed for by that person and not a representative?”

          Not sure. They would probably have to show a birth record and photo ID to prove who they are. (LOL!)

          Typically it’s a “Return-Receipt” (green card). The green card only means it was received by the named person “(or Recipient’s Authorized Agent)”.
          http://faq.usps.com/eCustomer/iq/usps/request.do?create=kb:USPSFAQ&view()=c%5Bc_usps0423%5D&varset(source)=sourceType:embedded#Tops
          This does not mean the named person has read the mail, only that the mail was delivered with a signature by the named person “(or Recipient’s Authorized Agent)”. What happens is anyone’s guess, whether the named person reads the mail or a staffer reads the mail and decides whether the registered mail is important to the named person but filed anyway.

          My experience with sending emails is that staffers get the email and then the email is put into a ‘subject named’ file such as “Oversight Committee” and then it is up to my Congressman to read the email even though that staffer replied in an email and told me the email was sent to the Congressman. Afterwards another district staffer at the district office showed me their system on his computer. After meeting personally with my Congressman five times last year, the last time in May, regarding a formal complaint as my Congressman is a member of the Oversight Committee, he would say, “I’m sorry, I haven’t read your complaint yet”. But he knew all about it as we had discussed the details of the complaint several times and basically recommended a change to the complaint… Arpaio’s investigation showing “probable cause”. My Congressman was very open to discussing the crimes involved as were committed. I then further researched, reorganized and rewrote the formal notarized complaint after Arpaio’s July press conference and delivered it to the district office which the staffer then made a scanned copy to send to my Congressman and since then …crickets …crickets …crickets…
          And the Oversight Committee …crickets…crickets…crickets…

          Empty Chairs and Crickets…

          • Thanks. That’s where they get us–that “authorized agent” stuff. Those agents just file mail from the likes of us in File 13–the trash.

          • azgo, I forgot to say: thank you for commenting! Lots of readers; fewer commenters here. We appreciate anything that adds to the conversation! Welcome back.

      • Rosemary Woodhouse

        seceding? Oh no, It reads “succeeding” Too bad. Wishful thinking!

  10. Lame Cherry …. Lies will destroy people ~ God bless the Truth

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2013/01/guile.html

  11. Thank you for your excellent post, Miri.

    It’s such a travesty that aparently no members of Congress expect Obama to abide by:

    A) Article II Section 1
    B) Section 3 of the 20th Amendment
    C) The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 and its requirement that:

    All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

    When you combine those requirements, Obama is legally required to produce documentation that he is a natural born citizen, and the only documentation that is both “acceptable documentation” for an I-9 and proves both birth location and birth parents is an original, initial, certified Certificate of Live Birth… which Obama has NEVER “released” to members of Congress for their physical inspection.

    The only thing that he has “released” is a forged PDF version of his Certificate of Live Birth and a forged JPG version of his Certification of Live Birth.

    The State of Hawaii has never certified that what Obama “released” to the public matched what the State of Hawaii has in their records and released to him.

    I don’t want to lose all hope in the rule of Law, but sadly I see very little to give me hope that the rule of Law will prevail.

    • You’re welcome. Good points you make. It seems that, like Eddie Haskell, they will not be pinned down and they WILL weasel out of any rules. If it’s before the election, then he’s not yet the nominee. If it’s after the election, then it’s a moot point, or you need to wait until they count the votes. After they count the votes, it’s a moot point. He must “qualify”, but they won’t agree on any point in time that he’s supposed to qualify, although it seems obvious from the Constitution that that is before he gets sworn in. He’s supposed to qualify because, otherwise, how can he “fail to qualify”? And yet nobody has “standing” to even ASK him to qualify. They hold hearings, but they won’t allow submission of evidence, or they quash or disallow subpoenas for documents that they then cite as “evidence” when they have been seen by the judges (if at all) only in photocopies or as digital photoshopped images on blogs. Or the judges simply take as “evidence” the hearsay of news articles citing images with no known provenance as proof. Or they cite as truth information slipped into footnotes by Obama’s lawyers, which aren’t part of the case. Any of these judges, but especially those who claim that Obama put a copy of his birth certificate on the Internet, ought to have the guts to require the lawyers who refer to the “birth certificate” to submit a legally authentic paper copy of it (meaning CERTIFIED and STAMPED authentic under threat of perjury) to the court to be entered into evidence. NONE of them do it because it cannot be submitted to court. BECAUSE IT’S NOT LEGAL. If they submit a birth certificate claiming it to be accurate and it’s not, well, THAT’S A CRIME. That’s exactly why none of the lawyers will submit this evidence that they claim exists. It’s not true. They don’t want to lose their law licenses. They don’t want to potentially be charged with a crime, when the tables turn (if they ever do; if we are not totally screwed forevermore). Eventually, in time, the truth will out. We will probably not live to see it. But it will come out and we will be vindicated. He’s ineligible. He always was. And he knows it.

      • he’s a plant.

        he’s on his way to the UN and they all know it. we’re just pawns.
        but not hoodwinked.

        the morons will be speaking chinese in their old age. usurped
        Article II is moot. purposeless, history. ignored. poor dopes.
        just ask SCOTUS…

        Coup d’etat, American style

        • Did you all see this story?
          http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/uncovered-docs-indicate-fbi-knew-u-s-born-terrorist-anwar-al-aulaqi-purchased-airline-tickets-for-911-hijackers-when-he-dined-at-the-pentagon/
          Docs Indicate FBI Knew Terrorist Anwar al-Aulaqi Purchased Airline Tickets for 9/11 Hijackers

          Judicial Watch announced today that it has received documents from the U.S. State Department indicating that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was aware on September 27, 2001, that Anwar al-Aulaqi, the U.S. born terrorist assassinated by a U.S. drone in Yemen on September 30, 2011, had purchased airplane tickets for three of the 9/11 terrorist hijackers, including mastermind Mohammed Atta. Subsequent to the FBI’s discovery, al-Aulaqi was detained and released by authorities at least twice and had been invited to dine at the Pentagon.

          According to a September 27, 2001, FBI transcription, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State and Federal Bureau of Investigations (No. 1:12-cv-00893)), al-Aulaqi purchased airline tickets for the following 9/11 hijackers:

          Mohammed Atta, America West Airlines, 08/13/2001, for a flight from Washington, DC, to Las Vegas, Nevada, to Miami, Florida.

          S. Suqami, Southwest Airlines, 07/10/2001, for a flight from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, to Orlando, Florida.

          Al-Sheri, National Airlines, 08/01/2001, for a flight from San Francisco, California, to Las Vegas, Nevada, to Miami, Florida.

          The documents also include material showing that al-Aulaqi was uncooperative with FBI agents investigating the 9/11 attacks and was seemingly a central focus of the FBI investigation and monitoring related to 9/11.

          But records previously uncovered by Judicial Watch, subsequent to the September 27, 2001, FBI transcription, show that al-Aulaqi was arrested and released by authorities. Two documents uncovered by Judicial Watch include “Privacy Act Release Forms” issued by the U.S. Embassy in Sana’a, Yemen, and signed by al-Aulaqi. One was dated November 14, 2006, and the other July 2, 2007, indicating that al-Aulaqi had been arrested by authorities. The documents do not indicate how long al-Aulaqi was detained or why he was released.

          In addition to the arrests noted by the documents in 2006 and 2007, al-Aulaqi was detained and questioned at New York’s JFK airport on October 10, 2002, under a warrant for passport fraud, a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. However, the FBI ordered al-Aulaqi’s release, even though the arrest warrant was still active at the time of his detention as reported by Fox News Channel’s Catherine Herridge. Once released al-Aulaqi then took a flight to Washington, DC, and eventually returned to Yemen.

          On February 5, 2002, four months after the FBI discovered his connection to the 9/11 terrorists, al-Aulaqi was invited to dine at the Pentagon on February 5, 2002, “as part of the military’s outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks,” reports Herridge. …”

          More at the link. This is the guy Barry offed via drone. His son is the 16-year-old who was also offed, along with others said to be civilians, via drone, in another drone attack (meaning a different attack than the one that killed his father. The son was targeted.) The ACLU and others claim that the teen was an American citizen and NOT connected to his father’s activities.

          Here’s the bottom line: Our government KNEW that this guy was complicit in the 9/11 attack (the tickets were bought for the “dry runs”); and AFTER 3000 Americans were murdered in cold blood, this guy DINED AT THE PENTAGON!!!! And then later, our government killed him.

        • Rosemary Woodhouse

  12. FYI: A little birdie asked if we here at WTPOTUS are all in one city. Nope! We’re all over the country. East Coast, West Coast, and in the middle, too. We’re true representatives of this great country!

  13. Rosemary Woodhouse

    And not to be corny, but……And God bless us, everyone!

  14. O ~ replace retiring Leon Panetta ~ with anti-Israel Chuck Hagel ?

    http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Lilibet+Hagel/Chuck+Hagel

  15. Great… LBGT groups chimes in… takes issue. O just might want 2
    run it by his 2 daughters 1st…. I mean…

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lgbt-group-takes-issue-hagel-nomination-urges-obama-abandon_693719.html

  16. So DRUDGE this…..

    • Bull puckies indeed! What a load of it! Who believes this crap? Not I. She remembers BHO Sr.’s visit from 5th grade so clearly! Isn’t it amazing? When you were in 5th grade, do you even remember what the janitor looked like? Do you even remember your teacher’s name? I swear to God that I don’t! I barely remember 5th grade! I certainly wouldn’t remember one guy who came to speak one day to our class. Isn’t it amazing how these “eye witnesses” to Barry’s fabulous fake fictional fantasy fable of a life come out of the woodwork EVERY TIME the issue of his ineligibility and his missing documents rises into lamestream awareness? Not only does she remember BHO Sr., she remembers that EVERYBODY else was “in awe” of him. What a memory! She reads everyone else’s mind in 5th grade and decades later REMEMBERS what everyone else thought of BHO Sr.! One thing I do believe and that is this: That “he transformed quite dramatically” in college and grad school. We’ve kind of noticed that ourselves, based upon the ever-morphing face.

      “And on Obama’s so-called birth certificate controversy, Bowers called it the “most ridiculous debate I had ever seen.”

      Because all of us were born in Hawaii at that time, we have the same birth certificatesIf you happen to have kept the original one, which is a very thin extremely blackened out piece of paper with, you know, it’s very fragile, and what was even funnier was that our classmates, we have twins in our class, they were born right before then, literally their numbers in that hospital were right before his. Their mother knew the doctor who delivered him. So, we all felt that that was an extremely useless debate and wish that American hadn’t gone there.””

      The twins are the infamous Nordyke twins. Their mother is the woman who originally CLAIMED to know the doctor who delivered Barry, but that doctor WASN’T the doctor who delivered him. First she said it was Dr. West. The supposed LFCOLB suddenly gave another name–Dr. Sinclair. I wonder which doctor Bowers believes Eleanor Nordyke “knew”? So again, here’s yet another woman who goes out on a limb to parrot the OFFICIAL BS STORY, THAT IS FULL OF ALREADY DEBUNKED “FACTS”.

      This Watters guys is BILL O’REALLY’S producer. Bill infamously claimed that he sent his crack staff of researchers to find out the truth and they saw the birth certificate (printed out from FactCheck)! Impressive.

      If you read the full transcript, it’s even more hilarious. She even remembers which subjects Barry did well in in school. Do you remember your own best subjects, much less the best subjects of any one of your 5th grade classmates, provided you can even remember the names of any of them?

      Isn’t it RIDICULOUS that all these people, these eye witnesses, NEVER COME UP WITH A NEW STORY OR A NEW ANGLE? They all always talk about the same things–his father’s visit, his poetry, his basketball playing, the Nordyke twins and how their mother knew the doctor who delivered him (but DIDN’T)? It is beyond suspicious. Can they NEVER ever come up with something NEW? Anything? Any NEW story or anecdote? Please.

      • Check out this bizarre paragraph:

        “And, he’s also changed a lot. While all of us who grew up and knew him want to think that he’s the Barry that we know. We also have seen and clearly understand that he transformed quite dramatically in college and in graduate school and since then.”

        Now this:

        “WATTERS: Okay. Okay. And, did Barack Obama have a lot of girlfriends? Because he doesn’t talk about it in his book. He said he actually struggled to get dates. Do you recall that?

        BOWERS: I think he really was one of those guys that, you know, so many people really, really liked as a person. And, I think that socially a lot of us were really not very adept at, you know, dating, or things like that. So, I’d say that if he ever asked someone I’m sure they would’ve gone with him in a heartbeat. But, seriously, he was just a really great person. And I think, again, he’s changed so much since those days. I can’t say as a classmate that I intimately know him or… But I can say that he was a great, great person. From the very beginning. And, he’s evolved tremendously into a great president.”

        Hmmmm.

        • She cites his poetry as proof of his character. His poetry! What poetry? That nasty stuff about Pops? Has she read any of his “poetry?” OMG, Papoose. This is making me sick.

          “BOWERS: Well, you know, we had an incredible background at Punahou because we had an instructor who wove global understandings and perspectives of all countries throughout our entire curriculum. His name was Siegfreid Ramler. And, he had been an interpreter in the Nuremburg trials and so he wanted to make sure that everything we did whether it was in Christian ethics or history or literature really wove together all these perspectives of different religions and different countries and histories.”

      • I have to say , I do remember our janitor because he was a stand out guy that always talked to the children, but we were children and we acted like it. She must have been so intellectually in tune in the fifth grade, I mean she doesn’t remember it like a fifth grader, instead her fifty year old self is trying to give the same old rendition of facts about Barry. It’s pitiful really. I don’t think this guy Obama had a life in fifth grade….except one somebody has created for him. She of course put in all the talking points, like the twins, a doctor, his grandparents,,,blah, blah, blah, but nothing,but the same old crap and not from a fifth grader, and not from any real experience she had with O . And the fact that in 1970’s they were being trained for global citizenship makes me want to puke. With that small of a class, wouldn’t she remember some spectacular play in basketball or some conversation , or some girl he hung around with or at least his gay proclivities would have been more believable….but nothing of any substance. How many more robots are they going to send out.

        • yea, you remember the janitor because you saw him everyday. he wasn’t a fly by night, drunken philanderer who laid eyes on his abandoned son for the first and last time.

          LIARS

        • It IS pitiful and SO transparent. I don’t think Barry was even THERE in 5th grade, but that’s just my gut feeling.

          These people all remember him, they say, but where are the photos? Surely a WEALTHY, elite prep school like Punahou ought to be overflowing with photographs (in which Barry would stand out either because he was so “great” or because he was “black”). It’s not like they wouldn’t be using the latest technology.

          She sure did put in all the talking points; that’s why I asked why none of them ever come up with something new? Well, she mentioned that German professor, but she didn’t say it in relation to Barry. Was he in that class? She was speaking in general.

          (I remember our janitor, too, better than I remember some of the teachers; but I don’t remember his name.)

          Either Barry never dated anybody (which is curious in itself, or not–because he’s gay), or he wasn’t there TO date anybody, or she doesn’t want to name names because then there’s a person that people can go to for the TRUTH.

          It’s of note that one “confirmed” girlfriend of Barry won’t speak to the press (McNear) and that the high schools friends of his “mother” were instructed to NOT SPEAK to anyone about his “mother”. Now why would that be?

          That’s going to be a VERY EMPTY presidential library. No historical documentation of his life and most of his communications gone poof! into cyberspace, courtesy of that Blackberry. I’m betting they’ll have a big store where they sell “his” books and they’ll probably have a huge room full of Mooch’s designer clothes. Maybe they’ll print out all the photoshopped family photos, too. Blow them up real big and hang them on the walls. What a shame that so few of the little black children of the mainland won’t be able to visit, unless he appropriates some billions of dollars to fly all the underprivileged to Hawaii so they can see the library of the “first African-American” potus.

      • i remember one thing in particular from 5th Grade: the introduction to Civics and that the class followed Afternoon Prayers and Etiquette (Emily Post’s Lessons)… that is when I learned that there was a distinction between “citizen” and “natural born citizen” and the fact that in order to qualify as a Presidential/ Vice Presidential candidate a person must be a full blooded American citizen, have reached the age of 35 and resided in America for 14 consecutive years.. Even the last 2 qualifications make sense as the Founders wanted to be certain that the person was an adult during residency.

        When final exams were conducted, i knew I got that answer right due to the specific difference in requirements for other elected officials.

        The law has been broken, and that is what makes barky an historical figure. not his being half white on his American side.

        How long before an American POTUS speaks with a foreign accent?

        How does Chief Justice John Roberts sleep at night?

        Why was he missing from the Court on the Tuesday before inauguration 2009 when barky (a defendant on the docket) and biden went to a meeting there.

        barky was installed.

        • Good memory and good points, Papoose. I clearly remember having to study the federal and state Constitutions and take tests on them, too. We had to do it twice, iirc. In 4th or 5th grades and then again in 8th grade. WE COULDN’T GRADUATE unless we passed the tests on both Constitutions! I bet kids these days don’t even read the Constitution even once in 12 years of school. This was once a requirement for every kid. Do they even have “Civics” classes anymore?

      • Former Hawaii Classmate on Obama’s ‘Global View’, Drug Use and Barack Obama, Sr.: ‘He Transformed Quite Dramatically in College’
        Former Obama classmate Bernice Bowers

        164 BUILDING HAWAII’S INNOVATION ECONOMY – Bernice Bowers
        (see below)
        ——–
        Building Hawaii’s Innovation Economy: Summary of a Symposium (2012)
        Board on Science, Technology, and Economic Policy (STEP)
        Appendix C
        Participants List

        Snip ~
        Neil Abercrombie,Governor Of The State Hawaii
        Snip ~
        (bottom of page)
        OCR for page 164
        164 BUILDING HAWAII’S INNOVATION ECONOMY Kristi Bates Peter Bryant-Greenwood University of Hawaii Foundation Queen’s Medical Center Artemio Baxa Janet Bullard University of Hawaii Board of Regents University of Hawaii Foundation Brian Bell Jennifer Burke Edoardo Biagioni Manny Cabral University of Hawaii at Mānoa Leeward Community College Kim Binsted Tom Cannon University of Hawaii Tissue Genesis, Inc. Andre Bisquera Howard Carr University of Hawaii Board of Regents University of Hawaii Kimo Blaisdell Queen’s Health Systems Stanford Carr John Carroll Carl

        Bonham Omega GS University of Hawaii Economy Research Organization (UHERO) University of Hawaii at Mānoa Paul Casey Kristen Bonilla Kara Catlin University of Hawaii Sun-Ki Chai Bernice Bowers University of Hawaii Inovi Group LLC Paul Chandler University of Hawaii at Mānoa Robin Brandt Stephen Brennan Jerry Chang Concentris Systems LLC Hawaii State House of Representatives Mangmang Brown Cheryl Chappell-Long University of Hawaii Foundation University of Hawaii Community Colleges Kymber Char University of Hawaii * Speakers in italics.

        http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13267&page=163

        • Exclusive: Obama’s Sweeties quietly campaign for former Punahou classmate Part 1

          By Minna Sugimoto – bio | email

          MCCULLY (KHNL) – While many people at Oahu’s Punahou School celebrate Barack Obama Presidential run, there’s one special group getting an extra dose of satisfaction. Obama’s Sweeties partied with Hawaii’s Democratic leaders at the Pearl Ultra Lounge Tuesday night.

          Unlike a certain mainland reporter covering the candidate in the early part of the campaign, the women don’t mind being called Sweeties. After decades apart, the now tight-knit group of Punahou graduates came together to help out a guy they knew as Barry.

          Gather up old photos,

          “Look at what we used to wear,” Bernice Bowers, Obama’s Punahou classmate, said while laughing.

          and these women start giggling like they were back in school again.

          “It was really getting together and reminiscing about us as a class,” Bowers said.

          Nearly 30 years after their high school graduation, six members of Punahou’s class of 1979, along with their class dean, reconnected and decided to help out an old classmate. That classmate just happened to be Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

          “It’s hard for us to call him Barack,” Robyn Tanaka, Obama’s Punahou classmate, said. “We’ve known him as Barry.”

          Snip ~

          Happily staying under the radar, the small group has accomplished big things. From hosting informational meetings and a bowling tournament, to selling 500 silicone bracelets with Obama’s message of hope and
          change,

          http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=9298026

          • IMR: People: Bernice (2000)

            Bowers, Bernice G.

            Bernice Bowers is a Project Manager for the Pacific Basin Economic Council (PBEC) International Secretariat. Ms. Bowers is responsible for coordinating projects and events such as the PBEC Environmental Award and its website, the PBEC-APEC Joint Workshop on Corporate Governance and its Proceedings, and special events such as the Pacific Islands Session at the Hawaii IGM 2000. She has been recently assigned
            to support PBEC’s Working Committees and Member Committees in their activities, and to support the PBEC Member Survey.

            Ms. Bowers was recently appointed as an international coordinator for the South-North Korea Infrastructure Initiative under President Kim Dae Jung’s “sunshine policy” to build infrastructure between Seoul and Pyongyang. Ms. Bowers has held positions as an administrator with Motorola’s wholly-owned subsidiary in Japan, Nippon Motorola, Ltd.; as a project manager with Castle & Cooke; and was the executive director of the Oahu Economic Development Board, a private-sector membership organization. Ms. Bowers was appointed by U.S. Commerce Secretaries Ron Brown and William Daley to the National District Export Council and the Hawaii/Pacific Region Export Council.

            http://www.lightfantastic.org/imr/people/bernice.html

            • OMG. What a resume. Castle and Cook? KOREAN infrastructure? Appointed by the (late, conveniently deceased) Ron Brown and Chi-town’s own William Daley! What connections. I wonder what led Jesse Watters to her, in particular? Barry himself? Nah. He’d never plant news like that, would he? O’Really would never allow his producer to be used as such a tool, would he?

              • The Sweeties!

                Robyn Tanaka, Cathie Chung Richardson, Kelli Furushima, Bernice Bowers, Lorena Garwood, Lisa Choy Tamura, and the unnamed “dean” from the school. I wonder if they got to have their 30th reunion at the WH, like they wanted to, in 2009.

                Get a load of this whopper!

                Even as a teenager, he was humble,” Kelli Furushima, Obama’s Punahou classmate, said. “He was considerate. He was thoughtful. He was funny.”

                STOP! You’re killing me, Kelli. Has this dude been “humble” a day in his miserable life? If the “Barry” they knew was humble, then this is NOT the same person.

          • Wow. Who would have EVER suspected that this was a pre-arranged, astroturfed campaign? Ha! Ha! Great detective work, Leza. Thanks. I’ve been busy the past few days and couldn’t find time to research any of this, but I was champing at the bit to figure out her angle. Now we know it. (Although we guessed it all along.) His “sweeties”, huh? Gag me with some “shave ice”. This story is from 2008. That explains why she’s got all the “talking points” down pat. It was all part of the initial plan. Gather up those photos, chickies! We need to do some serious photoshopping.

          • Miri | January 6, 2013 at 5:40 pm

            From Veromi:
            Bowers, Bernice Elaine
            Kaneohe, HI
            Huntly, VA
            Flint Hill, VA
            Las Vegas, NV
            Gunnison, CO
            Possible relatives:
            Bowers, Louise P
            Bowers, Ralph L
            Bowers, Suzanna R
            Bowers, Billy L <<<<<<<<<<<
            Bowers, William Lamb
            Bowersock, Vernon
            Bowers, Elaine

            https://www.facebook.com/bernice.bowers

            http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bernice-bowers/6/155/673
            —-

            From Wki –

            Barack Obama, Sr.

            Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (/ˈbærək huːˈseɪn oʊˈbɑːmə/;[12][13] 18 June 1936[2] − 24 November 1982) was a Kenyan senior governmental
            economist and the father of Barack Obama, who was elected as President of the United States in 2008 and 2012. He is a central figure of his son's memoir, Dreams from My Father (1995).

            Snip ~

            While still living near Kendu Bay, Obama attended Gendia Primary School. After his family moved to Siaya District, he transferred to Ng’iya Intermediate School.[3] From 1950 to 1953, he studied at Maseno National School, an exclusive Anglican boarding school in Maseno.[19] The head teacher, B.L. Bowers, described Obama in his records as "very keen, steady, trustworthy and friendly. Concentrates, reliable and out-going."[20]
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_I

            **** The head teacher, B.L. Bowers
            hmmm…..

            • OMG. Leza, you have such a great memory for details! How did you ever put that together? I stand in awe. What are the freaking odds? William Lamb Bowers = B.L. Bowers? Son, perhaps, of B. L. Bowers the head teacher?

              • http://www.masenoschool.sc.ke/content.php?pid=41 He was there from 1951-1969.

                The Firstbrook book says Bowers was from the UK.

                This book says that Arthur William Mayer taught English, B. L. Bowers taught biology, and J.R. BAKER taught physics and chemistry at Maseno. Page 40 describes Bowers as a “bulky, soft-spoken Englishman” who was squeamish about blood, although he had to teach biology, which included dissecting animals.

        • bernice is here too…….go down and notice another photo…..of Bernce…with long hair…that’s the look I’m talking about (looks just like the lady in China standing ina couple photos at Mark’s piano shindig. I mean if it isn’t her,it’s a twin! Someone see if the can find it if it hasn’t been scrubbed now. And notice she went to Princeton/ Punahou. Did she already know MOOchelle, or maybe Sotomayor there? I also found a Bill (william Bower as a CEO at Motorola in Asia Pacific ) Notice here there’s a Bill with her name. She’s actually a tad younger too….isn’t she???if this is correct.
          http://radaris.com/p/Bernice/Bowers/

          • From Veromi:
            Bowers, Bernice Elaine
            Kaneohe, HI
            Huntly, VA
            Flint Hill, VA
            Las Vegas, NV
            Gunnison, CO
            Possible relatives:
            Bowers, Louise P
            Bowers, Ralph L
            Bowers, Suzanna R
            Bowers, Billy L
            Bowers, William Lamb
            Bowersock, Vernon
            Bowers, Elaine

            https://www.facebook.com/bernice.bowers

            http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bernice-bowers/6/155/673

            http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/hi+kaneohe/bernice/bowers.html?adID=204-0000000013# That one shows her as Bernice Elaine WOOLEY Bowers.
            Relatives:
            Ralph Bowers
            Susan Bowers
            William Bowers

          • http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Dec/18/ln/FP612180352.html
            this is about bernice Bowers’ husband Brian Joseph Bowers with KFC Airport inc. Seems they do alot of government and state contracts for Hawaii. They are listed near the bottom. This was the only site that would load. Brian and Bernice live in 2 million,2 hundred thous. dollar home on 119 onekea Drive. Brian also is in a partnership with a Dexter Kubota consulting firm. They’re engineers and major players like the “old boys” network once in Hawaii.

            • Wow, alfy. Amazing:

              “Engineering firms fined more than $20,000 each for illegal political donations continue to receive millions of dollars in state and city contracts.

              An Advertiser computer-assisted study of state procurement records shows that 17 local consultants that gave excessive campaign contributions to former Honolulu Mayor Jeremy Harris and other Democrats before 2004 have received more than $65.5 million in city and state work since 2004.

              Under Hawai’i law, companies fined for illegal political contributions aren’t prohibited from getting government work.

              State officials have the authority to disqualify a firm from receiving government contracts for up to three years if the company is fined $5,000 or more for campaign spending violations.

              So far, the state has not disqualified any of the fined companies. …

              Reform of the government contracting process was a major part of Gov. Linda Lingle’s platform when she ran for office in 2002.

              Lingle, who received very little money from government contractors, signed into law in 2004 a measure that reformed the government contract process and made it easier for state officials to disqualify or suspend contractors that run afoul of the law.

              Despite the reforms, many of the firms cited for illegal campaign contributions continue to get government work.

              According to state procurement records, 10 local engineering firms each received $1 million or more in public works projects. They include:

              KFC Airport Inc. , which was awarded $8.6 million in nonbid state and county work during the past three years. KFC’s president Brian Bowers was fined $31,000 by the state Campaign Spending Commission in November 2004 for making political donations under false names.”

          • http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-01/17/content_7406508_2.htm
            Thanks so much Miri, one of yours has a photo here of her with Mark’s wife. THis one does look like the photo of Bernice Bowers with her hair curled….the one like in that other post I put up of her. That was good searching, but there’s another photo somewhere that looks identical. It is even closer up. Maybe I’ll come across it some time. But what do you think? See if you can copy both photos,, the ones from my post in Radaris (there’s 2 in that one), then this one…although it’s not quite the perfect one.

          • from what I can tell…..a William (Bill) Bowers also worked for Motorola…maybe Bernice is Bill’s daughter….Bernice Glenn Bowers is Bernice Elaine’s (73) daughter. Maybe William Lambe is a grandfather,but if Brian J Bowers is Bernice’s husband then what’s her maiden name? Cause how would Bernice Elaine Bower not be a mother inlaw. Something spooky again with names folks. And notice , if Brian didn’t mind making campaign donations using false names, what’s to say he’s or she’s not hiding something else? I know I and posing a leading and confusing question ,but just thinking….(dangerous, I know)

          • Brian Joseph 53, is her husband. I found their house on 119 onekea Drive as full owners of their home…They are listed as the owners of that address…..Names in capitals…legal like. The house listed for $2,203,700.00 ub 2012. The same guy that owns this house with Bernice Glenn Bowers and owns the KFC business. And has a consulting business with Dexter Kubota.

            • Thanks, alfy. I saw that consulting business and forgot to make note of it, when I was searching for stuff yesterday.

          • Good find Alfy, I found this re: KFC Airport – Brian Bowers (husband of Bernice G. Bowers)

            A BRIEF HISTORY OF MASTER PLANNING FOR
            HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (HNL)

            Snip ~
            (pg-3 of pdf)

            The 1989 Airport Development Plan for HNL was done by KFC Airport, Inc. and had a westward expansion of the International Arrivals Building: a new Inter-Island terminal with two piers; property to be acquired from Hickam AFB, Kapalama Military Reservation, and from Aolele to Koapaka Street; and a spur connection to the County Rapid Transit line which was to parallel Salt Lake Boulevard.

            By 1990 this plan was obsolete, having been overtaken by a new approach framed by KPMG-Peat Marwick for the Airports Division. International arrivals as high as 12,000 per day were overwhelming the International Arrivals Building and gate holds of hours were occurring. Additional immigration inspectors were needed and the intra-terminal transportation system was deemed outmoded and unable to handle the demand.

            Snip ~

            The only significant airport development projects accomplished by the Airports Division in the time period 1997-2002 were a large culvert extension creating more useable ramp, a peripheral road linking North Ramp and South Ramp with two bridges and a renovation of the existing
            International Arrivals Building, along with several maintenance and minor improvement projects.

            http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/publications/honolulu-international-airport-publications/A%20BRIEF%20HISTORY%20OF%20MASTER%20PLANNING%20FOR.pdf

            International Arrivals Building….Now is that not INTERESTING!

          • for 2013 though the airport projects are over 2 million and not with the usual funds….a big chunk of our governmet funds are going to the Hawaii airport….I didn’t check to see if Brian Bowers’ firm had any contractc….one name however that caught my eye was someone with a company under Parsons….which at one time that name was associated with Nadimi (sp) Auchi. Haven’t checked but the Lt. Governor….the one that just flew back here with O. had a lot to do with the Airport stuff.

            • Good old Bernice says in the video that all Barry’s friends were “good” people. Always ready to help others. And yet Topolinski was AFRAID of Ray, the dealer. Remember, Barry’s group was the CHOOM GANG. Such fine, upstanding “GOOD” people. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oral-history/choice-2012/the-choom-gang/

              You notice how Bernice seems proud that Barry is still tight with his good friends from Punahou, those “good” people that care so much about others and are so welcoming? As a character witness, she thinks that’s great to point out–how Barry stands by his old friends. Those “good” people. Of course, it all depends upon your definition of “good”. Smoking “weed”, snorting a “little blow” (when you can get it), and SOLICITING PROSTITUTES:

              http://www.kitv.com/Obama-s-Close-Friend-Arrested-In-Prostitution-Sting/-/8906042/5348706/-/3fdgy2/-/index.html

              Bobby Titcomb. He continues to hang with Bob every Christmas holiday, in Hawaii. Such a friend!

              Siegfried Ramler, the guy she credits for Barry’s “global view,” was an interpreter at Nuremberg. Perhaps we do have him to blame for Barry’s tactics. Maybe he learned the WRONG lesson from Ramler. Maybe that’s where he learned to emulate Hitler’s tactics. I’m a just sayin’.

              She says his “krewe” was a real mixture, when Watters asks her if his friends were blacks, Asians, etc. They don’t look very diverse to me, nor do many of them, like she claims, appear to be “mixed”:

              larger

          • http://www.kcse-online.info/kindergartens.html
            Miri, I put this here, even tho I know it’s out of place sort of….but I was back again looking around (because we had mentioned Mark N. and his wife). I hope you’ll scroll quickly thru these and see that very often Madari kindergarten is not listed with other Nairobi kindergartens….that’s public and private. That is a big WEIRD one to me. And of course can’t find it via google either.
            The Other issue….Mrs. B. Bowers’ husband ….here he is with his partner, down just a bit from the beginning of article….BRIAN BOWERS.
            http://www.hawaiibusiness.com/Hawaii-Business/April-2009/And-the-Winners-Are/

            • You’re right again! Madari is not there. Maybe, like Barry, they have another name! Or maybe it’s so exclusive that you need a personal invitation to attend, so there’s no reason to publicize it on the Internet. Ya think? Do you have an address for Madari? Or did we already find that all they have is a post office box?

              What’s weird about that Bowers consulting firm is that the article doesn’t even tell us what they DO.

      • I finally found time to watch that interview with Bernice. They made a mistake on the transcript. She didn’t say that “all of us were born in Hawaii”, she said “all of us WHO were born in Hawaii. That makes a difference, but she’s still spinning. That black photostatic copy was not thin and fragile. I have a copy of my birth certificate just like it and it’s far from thin. It’s a “photostatic copy”. That’s why it’s black. That paper was NOT thin and fragile.

        Now here’s something that I missed the other day! Notice that she remarks how FUNNY it was–meaning how STUPID people who question Barry are–because those twins were born right before him and their birth certificate numbers are right before his, apparently proving in her mind that his birth certificate is legitimate. But wait! The Nordykes were born on August 5th, AFTER BARRY allegedly was born on August 4th. That’s WHY his number MUST BE BOGUS, by her own standard.

        He was born before them but his number is AFTER theirs! I can’t believe I missed this!

  17. American…. Want 2 get taken 4 a RIDE?????

  18. And on Obama’s so-called birth certificate controversy, Bowers called it the “most ridiculous debate I had ever seen.”

    “Because all of us were born in Hawaii at that time, we have the same birth certificates… If you happen to have kept the original one, which is a very thin extremely blackened out piece of paper with, you know, it’s very fragile, and what was even funnier was that our classmates, we have twins in our class, they were born right before then, literally their numbers in that hospital were right before his. Their mother knew the doctor who delivered him. So, we all felt that that was an extremely useless debate and wish that American hadn’t gone there.”

    P. S. …. Now WHAT Doctor… would THAT Doctor… be NAMED???

    NOTHING…ZERO… ZILCH IS …RIDICULOUS about the debate!
    But I do DEBATE that WTPOTUS get shown….. THE REAL BC…
    So what IF the original is “VERY~THIN”… extremely BLACKened?
    OUT piece of paper… that’s oh so very … “FRAGILE”? I don’t get it!

    Did O EVER show US a fragile, very thin, Blackened out BIRTH CERT?
    That seems to be a ridiculous STATEMENT….. in Jan. 2013′

    • “We have the same birth certificate.” That may be so. They may all have photoshopped that one birth certificate. 🙂 Everybody in her Punahou class was born in Hawaii? “All of us were born in Hawaii at that time.” What a fool. What a tool.

    • How many people do you know from your class at school do you know the doctor that delivered your schoolmate, unless you were extremly close?
      That lady looks an awfully lot like a women in China standing near the so-called wife of Mark Ndesandjo (of which now I can’t find any photos of) at his piano concert. Facial features are sort of a special thing for me . Here this woman is not made up…..like the more dressed up concert photos, but the size, length of hair, facial features are all so similar. Wish someone could find those photos.

      • I’m lucky I know the doctor who delivered ME! I sure don’t know who delivered any of my classmates. I don’t know which doctor delivered any of my siblings, either. I could make a guess at it, but I’m not SURE. I’ll bet the woman you remember with Mark is in a video, not a still photo. There are several videos of him playing the piano.

        Bowers is probably a married name. Probably would be hard to track her down to confirm she really was at Punahou.

  19. “Mark Levin: Obama Destroying America; Obama Deserves Obstruction & Political Sabotage”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/01/mark-levin-obama-destroying-america.html

    Published on January 4, 2013

    • Any other president make the list in times past?

    • They should have put Barry at the TOP of the list. Screw alphabetical order. He is so “exceptional” that JW should have made an exception and listed them by order of corruptness (and ability to pursue corruptness to the detriment of all).

    • Both Florida Circuit judges, Lewis and Carroll, have made egregious errors of law that violate the judicial canons 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 of Florida, especially in light of judge Carroll’s allusion to a colleague’s promotion by Obama contained in the latest order dismissing Voeltz v. Obama et al., 2012-CA-3857.
      http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/ethics/index.shtml
      The Florida judiciary has had ample time to adjudicate Voeltz’ cases, and to determine the eligibility of candidate Obama, a clear duty of the judiciary when presented with a legal and proper election challenge pursuant to Federal statute 3 US Code 5 and Fl. ss. 102.168. Further, both judges have sought to separate Presidential Elections from the rest of the Florida election statutes, despite Florida Supreme Court holding that “[I]n this case, the parties conceded that the contest provisions contained in section 102.168 apply to presidential elections.” Id. 26 (footnote 20); see also, “In sum, Florida’s statutory scheme simply makes no provision for applying its rules one way for presidential elector elections and another way for all other elections”. Id. 33
      It is a fact that one of the legal causes of action, afforded Florida voters by Fl. ss. 102.168 is “ineligibility of the candidate for office sought” (ss. 102.168(3)(b)). Judge Carroll, in his “Santa Ruling”, violated the due process rights of defendant Voeltz by dismissing the case, and not affording an “immediate hearing”, in violation of Fl. ss. 102.168(5), and 102.168(7).
      Likewise, if the joint Congress counts the electoral votes on January 4, and determines the winner is Obama, then it has also simply performed a ministerial duty prescribed by the Constitution (“The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.” Art. 2 S. 1 C.3). That ministerial duty of “counting of the votes” shall be judicially reviewable all the way to the US Supreme Court, since it is not a discretionary act of Congress. “Counting” will have been a simple mandatory duty designated by the constitution, and the Joint Congress will have counted “inconclusive” Florida electoral votes

      • The Florida Supreme Court has held that Florida election contest statutes APPLY TO PRESIDENTIAL elections—- see Palm Beach Co. Canvassing Comm. v, Harris (2000) @26, 33

        • Of course you’re right. We’re right. They KNOW we’re right. They choose to pretend that we are not right. For whatever reason. History MAY eventually reveal the reason.

      • They have made it clear that none of them have any intention of following the law. They KNOW they’re not following the law. That’s exactly why they engage in ad hominem attacks on the plaintiffs. They also KNOW that the facts are not on their side, because they studiously avoid having any FACTS entered into evidence. That’s why they resort to “Santa Rulings”.

        “When the law is on your side, argue the law. When the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When neither the facts nor the law are on your side, make an ad hominem attack. — Old Adage

        “When the law is on your side, argue the law. When the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When neither the law or the facts are on your side, hollar. —
        Senator Albert Gore

        “It is difficult to win an argument when your opponent is unencumbered with a knowledge of the facts.”

        They are unencumbered by facts because they CHOOSE to remain ignorant of FACTS by refusing to allow discovery OF the facts.

    • “The attorney handling the case for Voeltz, Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch, told WND if the judge doesn’t want to address the dispute, then he’ll take it to the appellate level, and that filing could occur as early as this weekend.”

  20. Jyoti Singh Pandey is HER NAME… she will always BE 23…..
    my heart is broken… WHY is OUR WORLD so sadly sick…?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/india-gang-rape-victims-father-1521289

  21. Alfy … (the lady at newshopper. above) in the red/orange jacket
    looking down …not at the camera…. do you think it is her? 6/12/12

  22. the date above is…6-16-2009 sorry… she does look close?

  23. GeorgeM:

    “Chief Cold Case Posse Investigator Mike Zullo to Speak at Surprise, AZ Tea Party Meeting 1-15-13”

    “FEATURED SPEAKER

    MIKE ZULLO

    Eligibility Issue Ongoing Investigation – Developments Able To Be Disclosed (And Some Are)”

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/chief-cold-case-posse-investigator-mike-zullo-to-speak-at-surprise-az-tea-party-meeting-1-15-13

    • Repeating something I wrote above, it is a travesty that aparently no members of Congress expect Obama to abide by:

      A) Article II Section 1
      B) Section 3 of the 20th Amendment
      C) The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 and its requirement that:

      All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

      At this point, I have no faith in Congress, but one thing that does give me hope is that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and lead investigator Mike Zullo are not giving up on their investigation.

      • Red Pill, do you know if any other elected people fill out that form? I’m just curious. We sure ought to expect any president to provide AT LEAST the same information and proof of identity and eligibility that is required of a clerk.

        • At this point, I do not know if any other elected people fill out that form.

          What I do know is that anyone who is paid a salary is an employee, and elected officials are paid a salary, so therefore they are employees. And I know that the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 requires that “All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.”

          ALL and MUST. There are no exceptions written into that law. And anyone who has started a new job after November 6, 1986 has been required to complete a Form I-9. If they have not, then they are in violation of the law.

  24. You can’t make this stuff up. Bank of America has frozen the deposits of a licensed gun company because THEY don’t think the company should be selling guns over the Internet! If you have Bank of America accounts, you ought to think about moving your money. They deserve it UNLESS there’s some heads rolling FAST on this debacle. It’s now a headline on Drudge. This is beyond outrageous. Surely there are banking LAWS that they violated?
    http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/01/04/outrage-bank-of-america-holds-licensed-american-gun-manufacturers-deposits-we-believe-you-should-not-be-selling-guns-on-the-internet/

    OUTRAGE! BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet” Update: ASA’s Owner Confirms

    … What we have experienced is that our web site orders have jumped 500 % causing our web site E commerce processing larger Deposits to BANK OF AMERICA ..Well, this through up a huge RED Flag with Bank of America . So they decided to hold the deposits for further review , meaning that the orders/payments that were coming in through the web ,( being paid by the customer and that were shipped out by American Spirit Arms ),the BANK was keeping (UNDER REVIEW )..as you could imagine this made me furious…

    After countless hours on the phone with BANK OF AMERICA I finally got a Manager in the right department that told me the reason that the deposits were on hold for FURTHER REVIEW …

    HER EXACT WORDS WERE …
    ..” WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD NOT BE SELLING GUNS and PARTS ON THE INTERNET “

    …I flipped the F**k Out and told them that they have no right to make up their own new rules and regs..that we are a firearms Manufacturer with all the proper licensing FFL (Federal Firearm license ), SOT and that we follow all Federal and All
    States’ rules and regulations on shipping Firearms and parts ..and that we are also Audited by ATF and Homeland
    Security on a regular basis … She said that she understands that but that the deposits will be released After they have a
    Chance to review and clear them …I told her that This was unacceptable and the those deposits (that were a week old by now ) needed to be released ASAP, that we are a small business and rely on the revenue to run and stay operational.
    After that being said another Manager got involved and released one of the deposits (to help out )… So far to date after
    Two weeks of sales only 1/3 of collected internet sales have been released ..I am still pissed and looking for another
    Bank and options …
    I just thought the public should know ..”

    This one will be fun to watch. How fast can they backtrack? Three, two, one …

  25. Now he’s getting death threats.

  26. The shape of things to come:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/gop-pols-bill-bans-minting-1t-coin-85859.html?hp=r11

    Greg Walden’s bill bans minting $1T coin

    Lawmakers are still positioning themselves for a debt ceiling fight in a few months, but one Republican congressman wants to snuff out a particular idea immediately: the U.S. Treasury minting $1 trillion platinum coins to avert a debt ceiling showdown.

    Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) has introduced a bill to specifically ban President Barack Obama from minting the coins.

    “This scheme to mint trillion dollar platinum coins is absurd and dangerous, and would be laughable if the proponents weren’t so serious about it as a solution,” Walden said in a statement. …

    The idea, which has won the support of Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) and economist Paul Krugman, would allow Obama to mint the platinum coin if the nation moves close to defaulting during the debt ceiling debate with Republicans in the coming months.”

    Well, since DemoncRATS come up with unconstitutional, unlawful, un-American schemes like this in the first place, what chance does Walden’s bill have becoming law? What they need to do is TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT BARRY AND THEN IMPEACH HIM. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT YEARS AGO. They still have time to object to the fact that he has “failed to qualify” before January 20.

  27. “Hold on one second, SWEETIE” ( # 9)… ‘SWEETIE’ has been found!
    ABC Detroit affiliate… who asked a question of O….
    http://www.ranker.com/list/barack-obama-isms-the-biggest-obama-gaffes/notable-quotables?limit=25

  28. The Nordykes Twins BC… born Aug. 5, 1961.. at 2:12 & 2:17 PM

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