Dates That Live in Infamy (Open Thread)

© Miri WTPOTUS December 7, 2012

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Today is National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day. Today we commemorate the “date which will live in infamy.” And so it does and so it shall.

A column published today recounts the story of Art Clymer, a boiler technician on the USS Chew–a World War I-era destroyer that was stationed at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.  Mr. Clymer was in the bowels of his ship when he heard the first sounds of the Japanese attack.  Here’s how this boiler technician responded, after he arrived on deck: [emphasis added]

He saw Japanese planes. Lots of them.

The Chew had a 3-inch gun. That is, it fired 3-inch projectiles.

“Can you handle this gun?” an officer shouted toward Art.

Art was a boiler tech, but he figured if somebody was shooting at him, he could handle the gun.

But there was another problem. The 3-inch rounds had fuses and they were sealed. There was a setting tool somewhere to take off the seals, but Art had no idea where it was. He started yanking those seals off with his teeth, much like he used to open beer bottles with his teeth back home. Who’d have thought that trick would come in handy?

All this was happening in the middle of mayhem, with the Japanese planes so low that Art could see the faces of the pilots.

In a sense, that was a good thing. “I could throw a potato higher than that gun could shoot,” he would say years later.

But it shot straight. In the official after-action report, the Chew’s 3-inch gun was credited with three hits. One direct hit disintegrated a plane in midair, a second demolished a plane’s tail assembly.

Art Clymer became an American hero:  A boiler mate who shot down at least two Japanese planes, saving who knows how many lives. 

Mr. Clymer survived and went on to marry the love of his life and raise two children.  He’s what is best of America.  This member of the Greatest Generation rose to the occasion and did what had to be done, improvising and learning as he went, drawing upon his experience and getting the job done.

How many other unsung American heroes are there?  Too many to count. They are what is best of America.

Mr. Clymer’s story brings to mind another American hero whose story was printed recently:  Tyrone Woods, who died at the U.S. “mission” in Benghazi:

Tyrone Woods, 41, was found “slumped over his machine gun, which was caked with blood,” Charles Woods, the former SEAL’s father, said during a telephone interview from his home in Hawaii.

He had continued to fire until he had no blood left and was unable to fire anymore,” Mr. Woods said. …

Woods was on the roof of the mission, as mortar rounds slammed into the building:

The first one was well short of the building, the second and third landed in front of the building, and the fourth one went up and landed on the roof,” Mr. Woods said. “That’s what killed Ty.”

The round slammed into the roof where the former SEAL was positioned, and “I was told that if it had been a heavier round, it would have gone through the roof and exploded inside the building where 30 or so Americans were being protected by Ty and by Glen,” he said.

Noting that Tyrone Woods left behind “a newborn baby and a beautiful wife,” Mr. Woods said his son was “a hero who was willing to sacrifice his life.”

The parents of Tyrone Woods still do not know why their son had to die.  They still don’t know why no order to “fire” was given by this president after Tyrone Woods called out the coordinates of the mortar that eventually took his life and the life of Glen Doherty.

Woods gave his life doing what had to be done to save the lives of others.   Woods and Doherty were lost in a long war that bears some resemblance to the war in which Art Clymer fought.

During World War II, the Japanese sent “kamikaze pilots” on suicide missions.  They, like the Islamist suicide bombers of today, were religiously inspired.  The word kamikaze means, “God wind” or “Divine wind.”

In 1944–45, the Japanese were heavily influenced by Shinto beliefs. Among other things, Emperor worship was stressed after Shinto was established as a state religion during the Meiji Restoration. As time went on, Shinto was used increasingly in the promotion of nationalist sentiment. In 1890, the Imperial Rescript on Education was passed, under which students were required to ritually recite its oath to offer themselves “courageously to the State” as well as protect the Imperial family. The ultimate offering was to give up one’s life. It was an honour to die for Japan and the Emperor. … “The fact is that innumerable soldiers, sailors and pilots were determined to die, to become eirei, that is ‘guardian spirits’ of the country. … Young Japanese people were indoctrinated from an earliest age with these ideals.

Today, Islam is the state religion of many countries.  Islam has always been used for nationalistic purposes.  In fact, that is Islam’s raison de etre.  Students are indoctrinated with the tenets of radical Islam in madrassas all around the world.  Instead of becoming guardian spirits of their countries, today’s Islamic suicide killers believe that they will be rewarded with 72 virgins in a Muslim paradise.

Woods and Doherty, as well as Chris Stevens and Sean Smith, gave their lives in a war that began on another date that lives in INFAMY:  September 11, 2001.  Thousands of others have lost their lives in this war against radical Islam, among them the more than 3000 murdered in cold blood on 9/11.

Today we remember those who died at Pearl Harbor.  As we honor them, we should also remember and honor all who have served, especially those who gave their lives so that we may remain free.

127 responses to “Dates That Live in Infamy (Open Thread)

  1. One of the top 10 most corrupt politicians – criminal attorney general Holder – is being considered for presidente or else they are tossing this out to see what the populous thinks in one of their infamous trial balloons….I can’t even imagine what or how this guy would even considered in a trial balloon with all of the scandals he is involved in. Except those scandals aren’t covered by the press. Trade in one criminal for another. We are looking more and more like the Castro, Chavez, and Putin countries.

    Eric Holder for president in 2016?
    Dec. 9

    Speculation mounts attorney general may seek to follow Obama.

    WASHINGTON – Before Hillary Clinton decides what she will do after resigning as Secretary of State, she ought to consider that top Democratic operatives are already positioning a leftist challenger who could disrupt her presidential hopes every bit as much as Barack Obama did in 2008.

    Very quietly, support is building behind the scenes among the left-wing radicals who have gained control of the Democratic Party to position Attorney General Eric Holder to run for president 2016, expressing a determination to succeed Barack Obama with another equally committed radical.

  2. A story from across the pond — This seems so suspicious to me. What was on the tapes? Who picked them up? They gave tapes to a “contract” employee? The US doesn’t report on this incident from Feb. 2008? 4 years later we learn about it? 4 years later they are investigating? Were these tapes used to blackmail Congress? Just thinking what might have come from the Secret Service Headquarters….

    Secret Service launches investigation into ‘immense’ security breach as computer files left on metro. The US Secret Service has begun an investigation over an ‘immense’ security breach in which an employee left computer tapes on a metro train.
    8:09PM GMT 08 Dec 2012 Snip

    The worker was taking the sensitive material from the Secret Service HQ in
    Washington to an off-site facility but left them on the train when he got off. The tapes contained backup case file information as well as extremely personal data about employees, including dates of birth and addresses. Adding to the embarrassment is that the tapes had only “very basic encryption”, meaning that they could easily be hacked.

    The embarrassing incident came to light during the “Culture of Secret Service” investigation, which was launched after the Colombian prostitute scandal in April. The Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General is carrying out 13 separate probes into the Secret Service, whose agents guard the president. The data loss happened in 2008 when a contract employee working for a firm which had been hired to transport the tapes volunteered to take them to the vault in Olney, Maryland as he lived nearby. When he realised his error, the Secret Service notified transit police and the Department of Homeland Security, but they were unable to locate the tapes.

    • Oh, I’m sure that was just an accident. WTF? Are they out of their minds? Allowing a contract employee to transport such secret information? Did he, perhaps, work for John Brennan’s firm?

  3. Good news about our Gallant Troops!

    Kidnapped US doctor rescued in Afghanistan
    US soldiers killed seven Taliban insurgents in a successful predawn raid to rescue a kidnapped American doctor in eastern Afghanistan yesterday.
    Dec. 9 Snip

    The mission was launched when intelligence showed that Dr Dilip Joseph was in “imminent danger of injury or death”, Nato’s International Security Assistance Force said in a statement. Joseph was abducted on December 5 by Taliban insurgents in the Surobi district of Kabul province. “Today’s mission exemplifies our unwavering commitment to defeating the Taliban,” said General John Allen, the commander of US and ISAF forces in Afghanistan.
    A security source told AFP that the doctor had been involved in building clinics in Afghanistan but details of his capture were not immediately available. Hazrat Mohammad Haqbeen, the district governor of Surobi told AFP that the man was kidnapped along with an Afghan colleague who was released in return for a ransom earlier in the week.

  4. US Supreme Court takes on gay marriage
    Dec. 7, 2012

    The US Supreme Court announced today that it would take on the deeply divisive question of gay marriage, setting the stage for potentially one of the most important civil rights decisions since the end of racial segregation.
    [Is it really? And just how many people will be affected? The comparison is outrageous. Communists want to rid our country of family values, and this is another step toward doing so. ]

    • Gay marriage is more important than an unconstitutional conman usurping the presidency? Their priorities are as screwed up as the rest of the country by the radical leftists. I have now forgotten how many justices get to vote on whether to take a case or not. But apparently this one won. Why have the justices decide? Obama already said he and Holder wouldn’t uphold DOMA – Defense of Marriage Act. Obama doesn’t need the Supremes, just like he sidesteps Congress, and they intimidate judges across the country. They already passed getting gays into the military by lying about the results of reports given to Congress saying people were for it when they were not. This is just another step. They will never be satisfied until the complete breakdown of society is accomplished.

      • Would gay SCOTUS judges be wise to recuse themselves? Just askin’.

        • Rosemary Woodhouse

          Great question, Miri. Of course, the answer is no. Plank # 4 in Obamunism= the Gay Agenda. Kagen, for sure. Sotomeyor, probably. How many more LIFETIME appointments does he get? Watch Roberts step down. When the Court is totally stacked, play Taps. We’re done. Cue Stevie’s Signed, Sealed, Delivered. BTW, how appropriate that a blind man supports POTUS based on color he cannot see, as well as the fact that he recently cancelled a concert in Israel.


          • Stevie can see black.

          • I agree. Gaydar and all that. Have you noticed the quasi-sexism in the DemoncRAT party where lesbians get more jopssssss than other women? Their quasi-sexism is even more apparent when they ridicule and mock attractive, heterosexual conservative women like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann. Conservative men are uniformly called stupid. Conservative women, especially those with a lot of kids, are uniformly treated as bimbos, as well as stupid.

            You’re correct. When the SCOTUS is stacked, we’ll be toast.

            I read a news article today that talked about Morsi. They said that although he won election with only 51% of the vote, he acts as if that’s a huge mandate. Sound familiar? Now he’s going to ram through that ISLAMIST constitution, by hook or by crook. Pundits say it will have no credibility if it’s not passed by a huge consensus, which it won’t be (unless the opponents play into his hands by boycotting the vote). If it passes by a slim margin, it will not seem legitimate, they say, to the world community because it’s not truly representative of the people of Egypt. Secularists, Christians, and WOMEN had no say in writing it. (Seems to me that if the women alone voted, it would be voted down.) In any case, this reminds me of Obamacare. You have to ram through the bill so you can find out what’s in it. The story ended with a statement to the effect that the Islamists who support Morsi see the end in sight on a goal that they’ve long had–to create an Islamic state in Egypt. Sound familiar? The leftists in this country see a similar end in sight and, like Morsi, they’re going to do what they do, by any means necessary, to cement their fundamental transformation, no matter if it’s representative, especially if they can manage to shut out the conservative MAJORITY in this country. I still wonder whether this recent behavior by Morsi was upon the advice of Obama–pretend to give in, rescind your illegal edicts, now that you have that Islamist draft constitution, but don’t give in at all on having the referendum and ramming it through. Next weekend, unless Morsi blinks, they’ll “vote” on it. Surely advice has been given on how to intimidate voters, thuggery at the polls (so much easier in Egypt), how to stuff ballot boxes, and how to rig voting machines. They pretend the phone call between Barry and Morsi was Barry expressing his disappointment in the violence against some protestors. The truth more likely is that Morsi got schooled in how to be a dictator and get your way.

            • Another similarity:
              “Egypt army given temporary power to arrest civilians”
              “CAIRO (Reuters) – Egypt’s Islamist president has given the army temporary power to arrest civilians during a constitutional referendum he is determined to push through despite the risk of bloodshed between his supporters and opponents accusing him of a power grab.”

              Would that be indefinite detention?

              “A decree issued by Mursi late on Sunday gives the armed forces the power to arrest civilians and refer them to prosecutors until the announcement of the results of the referendum, which the protesters want cancelled.

              Despite its limited nature, the edict will revive memories of Hosni Mubarak’s emergency law, also introduced as a temporary expedient, under which military or state security courts tried thousands of political dissidents and Islamist militants.

              But a military source stressed that the measure introduced by a civilian government would have a short shelf-life.”

              Yes, once he’s cemented absolute power and instituted Sharia law, then no need for these special edicts. It will become a way of life.

          • Rosemary Woodhouse

            You’re right, Bridgette. Stevie sees black, as do most of the black race, blind or not. I started writing in ’07 that it was “race uber alles”. Sadly, I was correct.

  5. He’s SO…. FIXED….on Soaking the Rich $ … #1 PLAN & #2 PLAN & #3


    Salary of a retired US President ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE

    Salary of House/Senate …………………..$174,000 FOR LIFE. This is stupid.

    Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE! This is really stupid!

    Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders ……. $193,400 FOR LIFE!

    Average Salary of a teacher …………… $40,065

    Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN ……. $38,000

    Think about this.

    Nancy Pelosi will retire as a Congress Person at $174,000 Dollars a year for LIFE.

    She has retired as SPEAKER at $223,500 a year.

    PLUS, she will receive an additional $193,400 a year as Minority Leader.

    That’s $803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical which is not available to US…the taxpayers?

    She is just one of the hundreds of Senators and Congress that float in and out every year!

    I think we found where the cuts should be made!

    • Which Congressman will bring this up to change what they think they have coming in as retirement? Not one. Not one single one, no matter how unfair it appears. If they serve one term, they get for life pensions? It does PAY to be in Congress, doesn’t it. If term limits are changed, then so should the amount they receive as they walk out the door. It should be scaled to service, not to life.

      For Nancy, she doesn’t retire with the highest amount? Instead they are added together? That doesn’t seem right at all. She makes more in retirement than during the year?

      The rest of Obama’s money is in a slush fund being kept for him at the Joyce Foundation – the green scammed money.

    • Not only that, but Pelosi is among the wealthiest, if not THE wealthiest, member of Congress. Does she “need” this money from the taxpayers? Wouldn’t a real patriotic American like Pelosi refuse that pension? Don’t bet on it. She’s anti-capitalist for everyone else, but not for herself. She hates the “1%” of which she is one, but she doesn’t see the irony. How many children would receive health care if she only refused that pension?

    • Rosemary Woodhouse


  7. Roberts will be soon gone… after they hear it, they will say we the people had voted against it & will stand as is….. BUT it will then be up 4 a vote again SOON & will win in a landslide.

  8. Will this case make any difference now that the election was held? I remember da Judge and his fight for the 10 Commandments in Alabama. Please let him be the one to finally really rule for the US Constitution. He wasn’t afraid to make waves before, and this could be a HUGE wave for our republic for which it stands!

    2nd bite to challenge Obama’s eligibility?
    Famous justice has had ‘serious questions’ about birth certificate
    Dec. 9 2 hours ago Snip

    A longstanding eligibility case challenging Barack Obama’s presence in the White House soon could be headed to the state Supreme Court in Alabama, where one justice already in a court filing has questioned the authenticity of Obama’s documentation, and the incoming chief justice is a dyed-in-the-wool Constitution supporter with little tolerance for those who want to bypass the document.

    The move is pending in an eligibility challenge brought by Hugh McInnish and others against the Alabama Secretary of State Beth Chapman. The case most recently was turned down by a state district judge, Eugene Reese, who got his opinion into the mix by determining that the case was “ordered, adjudged and decreed” to be dismissed. The case calls for a determination that Chapman “has a duty to verify the eligibility of those seeking office.” In a recent brief in the case, attorney Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch and now of the Klayman Law Firm in Washington, noted that while the state is arguing it should not be tasked with making sure candidates are eligible, the submission by the state itself suggests otherwise.
    Also, the newly elected chief justice for the court, Judge Roy Moore, recently told WND in an interview that the country must return to a standard where the rule of law, the Constitution, prevails over politics. Moore, many will remember, was the judge who was removed from the same position he’s now assuming 10 years ago for refusing a federal court’s order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state judicial building in Alabama. He’s explained repeatedly that he has no plans to bring that back, because the monument became a distraction from the real issue: the acknowledgement of God as explained in the national and state constitutions. And he says there’s no possibility of true justice without that. He said he will be sworn in on the promise to uphold the Constitution of the United States as well as the Alabama Constitution.

  9. I wondered why we were getting all of these reads by the bots from the communist site of Dr. Con’s. It appears that he has put up a Good, Bad and Ugly blog list for his readers. WTPOTUS was chosen to be on the “Bad” list. I think they missed a few, but I am not telling the visiting commies from Dr. Con’s who they are. But Thanks Commies at Con’s and Foggy’s, we are in great company with our allies for the Constitution and our Republic. We are so unlike the slime that falls under your despicable, lying, twisted, warped, anti-American banner. It seems these slime bot’s only reason for existence, other than getting a paycheck, is to document, attend, and troll blogs or give their take on lawsuits that want Obama to prove he is who he says. These savages are after anyone that disagrees with their ideology. An ideology that is a proven failure under tyrannical regimes. They are the dupes of all dupes.

    We are PRIVILEGED to be known as “bad” for telling the truth and blocking and countering the lies put forth by the likes of the guy that likes to elevate himself to Dr. with no credentials. Dr. Bridgette here wants you to know who they consider “bad” for their side. We are in fine company. There is also a listing for Ugly. I don’t know if that status is beyond bad – but the only thing that is scary is that these dweebs have a small following of similar indoctrinated minds. Their propaganda along with their fellow travelers is pathetic and nasty, and they can only be regarded as snakes who thrive on building each other up and tearing others down. We can assume they are the A@@ part of the donkey they worship.


    A Place to Ask Questions to Get the Right Answers
    Canada Free Press
    CDR Kerchner’s Blog
    Coach Semanko’s Blog
    Devvy Kidd
    Fellowship of the Minds
    Give us Liberty 1776
    Moral Matters
    Obama Ballot Challenge
    One Nation Under Fraud
    Orly Taitz, Esq.
    Safeguard Our Constitution
    The Betrayal
    The Steady Drip
    The Terrible Truth
    Unslave America
    Was Obama Born in Kenya
    We the people of the United States – TA DA! That should be PEOPLE capitalized for emphasis!

    Now for the Ugly:
    Conservative Fact Check
    Daily Pen
    Dr. Ron Polland
    Obama Release Your Records
    The American Thinker
    the Birthers – broad category – isn’t it?
    The Obama File
    The Post & Email

    • At least they recognize our inherent beauty, since they don’t call us ugly. I wonder what or who nominated us for their list? Last time I checked (sorry to admit that I ever read their list), we weren’t on their list. Gee, we’ve made the big time. 🙂

      No wonder we’re being visited by all those hateful obots, such as those mentioned recently by WND.

      We’re bad? Bad as in awesome? I agree!

      Their bad. Oh, if only they knew how good we are. Can’t they read?

      Can’t they THINK for themselves? Don’t answer that–they cannot.

      So arrogant are they. So convinced that they’re the only educated people in this world. So convinced that they’re the only ones who can discern truth. How blind they are.

      What a shame that these open-minded “liberal” leftists don’t believe in free speech or even in free thought! Why else would they find it necessary to dis-recommend blogs to their readers? We have a blog roll, where we recommend what, in our opinion, are good blogs.

      For some reason, they find it NECESSARY to warn others against those same good blogs!

      What do they FEAR? Are they afraid that their followers might actually learn something other than the pre-approved, Obot propaganda?

      Do they fear that their readers will read a contrary view, instead of those obot talking points? OMG, then they may, perhaps, GASP… form an individual opinion based upon an open-minded, logical reading of the facts! (Especially the FACT that there ARE NO FACTS IN EVIDENCE when it comes to Barry.)

      Their raison de etre is to discourage thought, discourage reason, discourage logic. It’s what Alinsky-ites do!

      They’re especially worked up about Barry’s self-evident ineligibility. He HIDES all his documentation and his OWN PUBLISHER stated for OVER SIXTEEN YEARS that he was BORN IN KENYA!

      What a challenge they have, to make white seem black and black seem white.

      As one “ugly” site is wont to remind us:


      They don’t want to disclose the truth, which is that Barry is ineligible, so they dis-recommend sites that tell the truth or, with open minds, examine ALL the facts. They’re devoted to rationalizing away any inconvenient TRUTH.

      How different from them are we bad people. We don’t discourage anyone from reading Dr. Con. When someone like him actually engages in a fair debate, without the typical ad hominem attacks or without spouting the typical illogical, non sequitur-laden obot talking points, then we relish the debate. They, however, for the most part, do not debate because they cannot.

      When you don’t have the facts on your side, all you can do is engage in ad hominem attacks! What bullies they are, btw. All they can do is name call. How many times we’ve been accused! We’re birthers, birfers, racists, bigots, stupid, morons, ad infinitum. Why?

      Because they don’t like what we say. Why? Because they know in their hearts that we’re right but they are so wedded to this “fundamental transformation of America” and so blinded by the results of their life-long brainwashing by the propagandists of academia that they have compartmentalized the part of their brains that deals with logic and common sense.

      How simple it is: IF he’s eligible, then why won’t he PROVE IT?

      Because the only people who don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide!

      These are the tools of the propagandists, the fascists, the communists, the Nazis: Group think. Alinsky tactics. Target the opposition. Freeze it. Personalize it. Yadda, yadda, yadda. They really need a new schtick.

      • What an honor. Can we make an award trophy or plaque or something? How about an awards show and each ‘winner’ on the list gets to knock down and keep one of the pillars from the dem 2008 convention. Oh, can just see the fashionistas comparing the dresses — different styles of cut-free straight jackets, maybe some sequined or tie-dyed and a variety of winners sporting tinfoil hats. I am a designer of bling tinnies; maybe I will be a featured designer and finally get recognition in the fashion world when Miri and Bridgett sport my creations. Oh, I am so proud to be known by the company I keep! Way to go!

        • I think we earned this one:

          If it has sequins on it, I’m there! I’d be honored to wear your blingy designs to the awards ceremony.

    • Wait! The American Thinker is “ugly”. World Net Daily? Isn’t Lester Kinsolving still in the White House press pool?

      Dr. Bridgette! I love it. This is Dr. Miri speaking. How surprised they’d be. Arrogance. Pride goeth before a fall. Somebody’s overdue.

    • The Blaze not included. Breitbart not included. The Conservative Treehouse not included. Very telling, huh? Also, am surprised Canada Free Press is not on the lists. Must have something to do with liable and a foreign business; sort of sticky. Lame Cherry left off because they figure no one can understand it; oh yes we can!

      A bad list and an ugly list; how childish.

  10. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Yea! Congratulations and well done!

  11. Here’s something not related to anything, but I’d welcome your opinions nonetheless. 🙂 It’s regarding a bumper sticker that I found myself behind today:

    First line (in red print): “I really love my country”.
    Second line (in blue print): “But I think we should start seeing other people”.

    Could almost be taken for something secession-related, no? Or, am I totally misinterpreting it?

    • I did a little online research very early this morning, and discovered that it’s sort of a “protest” bumper sticker against alleged “American imperialism”. Dear Lord. On the other hand, that might explain why the driver of the stupid little golf-cart type vehicle in front of me turned out to look like Jeanine Garafolo (sp?) when I was able to pull up beside the car.

      I still say, however, that that sticker could be equally as much a reference to secession. Haven’t any of you ever been in relationships where you (or they) said something like that? “I really really love you, but we need to see other people”? 🙂

      • Fortunately, I’ve never heard that line. If I had, I’d know that it was OVER. And that this person would have NEVER been a good match in the first place. I’d make those determinations long before I ever got into any relationship in the first place. Extremely picky, was I! Why waste my precious time with a dork?

    • It sounds leftist to me. Subtexts: Even those who criticize the US “love” their country. We should start “seeing” other people, as in we’re so arrogant and self-absorbed and bullying that we don’t even “see” other people. This is akin to Barry’s belief that we are too arrogant and we need to be brought down to size and made to realize that we are only one among many countries. This is a statement against American exceptionalism. Just my take on it.

      • Excellent point, especially after I’ve had my coffee this morning. 🙂 I dunno, maybe I’m so down-in-the-dumps about the current political situation that I was just ready to grasp at straws.

        On the other hand, maybe it (or a variation thereof) could be utilized anyway? Sort of like turning the Alinsky tactics right back around at the ones who spouted them originally. Part of me thinks that splitting the country into a Red-state territory and a Blue-state territory might not be a bad idea. The Red-state territory could re-implement the rule of law and adherence to Constitutional principles. It doesn’t hurt that Red states have most (or all?) of the military facilities in the country. The Blue-state territory and its welfare parasites could hurtle right off the cliff into oblivion.

        I realize that probably sounds really, really naive, but I just can’t help hoping things could turn out like they SHOULD have turned out.

        • Some of the best solutions started out as naive imaginations. . . keep thinking and sharing.

        • Oh, I’d love to believe that people are willing to consider exercising the right to secede from this corrupt, illegal Obamanation. They may be, but would probably do their advocating privately, because we know how violent the leftists become when simply disagreed with. They’re the ones who vandalize, like a bunch of crazed, barbarian OWS-ers. I wouldn’t want my car keyed, which is likely what would happen.

          We recognize the rights of others to think differently or to speak in opposition to what we believe, but they don’t. They only know suppression and force.

          I’d be more than happy to move to Red State Territory. It would be full of movers, shakers, money makers and FREEDOM loving people. It would succeed economically while Blue State Territory would be full of the takers and would eventually go bankrupt (see California, for an example of bankruptcy because of too many moochers). Red State Territory would have to police its borders closely, to keep the freeloaders out, because surely when famine struck and all the freebies dried up, they’d be the barbarians at the gate.

  12. Racist dog whistle code word: white

    natural born American citizen; full blooded nationality; legal; taxpayer; veteran; descendant regardless of skin color, religion, creed, plantation non-ownership. if you love America, God, Family and Neighbor and you believe in the Constitution and your foreparents built this Country, then you are “white” and deserve to be berated, ridiculed and killed in jest by comedians, unless you are Elizabeth Warren.

    maybe we should all check the block for comedian when we have to divulge our race on government forms.

  13. “It just didn’t feel right,” he says of his encounter with the commander in chief. “And now that it’s coming out that apparently the White House situation room was watching our people die in real time, as this was happening,” Woods says, he wants answers on what happened—and why there was no apparent effort to save his son’s life.

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