Vice Presidential Face Off! (Open Tread)

©Bridgette@WTPOTUS 2012

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Vice President vs. Vice Presidential Nominee!

Joe Biden vs. Paul Ryan

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  If it Waddles like Big Bird,

Talks like Big Bird,

Then its Joe Biden!

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All Political Eyes Will Be Watching the Face-Off Tonight!

The Democrats are depending upon Vice President Joe Biden’s communication/debating  skills to pull the them out of a deepening slump and the  huge fall in the polls after Obama’s disastrous performance a week ago.  The defeat came to the Empty Chair with Mitt Romney proclaimed the winner by both the left and the right.  Obama was caught sleeping on the job and now he is waiting anxiously for Joe to save both their jobs. Will Joe be able to pull them out and get their re-election campaign back on the track?  It’s a real long shot for the Democrats knowing Joe’s propensity to say the most outlandish things at the most inopportune times.  Also working against Joe is the fact that he has to defend Obama’s lackluster accomplishments during the last four years.  His real job tonight will be trying to defend the indefensible!

Mitt’s poll numbers are on the rise.  His outstanding debate, knowledge, and leadership skills were seen by 68 million people during the presidential debate.   The differences between the Empty Chair who has pretended to be president, and a real leader were on full display.  Within a 90 minute debate, Americans contrasted and compared two men vying for the job as Leader of the Free World.   Seeing Mitt in action and hearing his  solutions to the problems the U.S faces made him a front-runner in states that were once considered Obama’s territory.  Mitt’s  choice of Paul Ryan as his running mate was his first decision as the Republican presidential nominee,  and one that the Republicans and Independents wholeheartedly embraced.

Will the ultimate gaff prone Joe be any kind of competitor against the wonkish Paul Ryan?    Armed with facts, Paul’s quick retorts may bury good ole’ Joe.  Expectations are high for both sides and our bets are on young, fresh, invigorated and knowledgeable Paul.   Knowing that Paul has already taken on Obama in Congress, Joe should be a piece of cake.   Still, there are bound to be lots of surprises tonight!

This will be a real bout of ideas and solutions, and their tête-à-tête should exemplify the differences between the men as well as the parties.     Tonight’s debate isn’t just the young statesman against the elder statesman, this is the fight for our country’s future.  This is an ideological battle:  capitalism vs socialism/communism.  Liberty and freedom must win.   We are banking on it!   Mitt and Paul are ready  and able to serve.  They will unite  our magnificent country that has been divided by the Radical Left that Marxist Obama and his party represents.  Let’s make the score 2 – 0!

Indeed, tonight is a big F’ing deal! 

Give him the bird, Paul!

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144 responses to “Vice Presidential Face Off! (Open Tread)

  1. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/chris-wallace-on-joe-biden-ive-never-seen-a-debate-where-one-candidate-was-so-disrespectful-video/

    Chris Wallace says Biden was very disrespectful of his opponent. And I read that he continually interrupted Ryan. That’s the problem with these guys, I’m afraid. Barry and Joe don’t know the difference between being assertive and being arrogantly aggressive. Romney showed leadership, Barry and Joe showed rudeness. Too many progressives don’t know how to politely have a disagreement. All they know is ridicule, smirking, snarkiness, contempt. The people will see it. Krauthammer said that if you listened only, you might believe Biden won; but he didn’t win if you watched. Unfortunately for these JOKERS in the WH, people WATCHED and few listened on radio. Their flippant attitude is disturbing. We’re living through the worst economy since the Great Depression, 27 million plus out of work, no end in sight, possibly on the brink of WWIII, being targeted by jihadists, and Europe on the verge of collapse–and Barry and Biden? All they do is laugh (and golf and party).

  2. Good catch by Gateway Pundit, who reminds us that Clint Eastwood said, “Of course we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democratic Party… Just kind of a grin with a body behind it.” http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/clint-eastwood-rips-on-joe-biden-at-rnc-convention-kind-of-a-grin-with-a-body-behind-it-video/

  3. THE RING SCANDAL DEEPENS? Another BHO Operative Forgery Coverup?

    • That’s interesting. Right at 2:27, there’s an image that shows that the photo at “Urban Legends” (likely the same photo as at Snopes) has some strange “gold residue” on Obama’s finger. What could that be? It’s not ordinary for someone to have gold dust on his finger, but maybe he’s had a visit by Tinkerbell. Fairy dust. So the question is: Did somebody “enhance” that photo to make it look more like snaky swirls instead of Arabic writing? I noticed that myself. I found the source photo and that’s why I commented about how I don’t understand how these guys can enlarge a photo so well–making it “high def” from a smaller source. When I enlarged it, it pixelated and it was hard to see any detail. Gordo? Any opinion how this happens?

    • Good catch by somebody! Here’s a montage:
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      This one from yesterday:
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      In the montage, the image at the top left is the Snopes version. Right next to it is their source. That image was very tiny. But it’s easy to see that there’s no pixie dust on that version and that the image is modified. It looks as if they tried to smear out the inscription to make it resemble the loops below. Look at the image immediately below the Snopes image–you can see that the swirls differ.

      From looking at these various images, it appears that there is some kind of repeating pattern on the ring, between the vertical lines (looking like wire wrapped around it). In the “cartouches” there seem to be some kind of script. Not just those loops. Because a ring spins around a person’s finger, we can’t know for sure that we’re always looking at the same part of the ring. That Urban Legends and Snopes were onto this SO QUICKLY is suspicious. As is that gold fairy dust on the finger. How do they explain that?

      The photo from yesterday also shows clearly that the swirls are not the same.

      • Here’s another from a WND story about the reaction to the ring topic:
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        Note especially how the swirls on that top cartouche do NOT resemble the ones on the lower one, although in the Snopes image, they do. Now, this could be because it was photoshopped; it could be because Snopes is looking at another part of the ring; or it could be that the ring was modified (repaired) in such a way as to remove the Islamic inscription. However, how do you explain the “gold dust” and the fact that the upper cartouche on the Snopes image looks as if the gold has been struck repeatedly to mash down the inscription? Could this just be an artifact of someone messing with the image, trying to make the loops at the top look like those at the bottom? Filling in spaces to create loops where there were none before?

        • I hate to cite this, but Dr. Con (I won’t link to him) has posted images of a ring that he claims are on Barry’s finger. He claims he took the photos himself. He claims Barry was wearing the ring and he shows images of similar gold ELEPHANT-HAIR rings. The ring is an elephant-hair gold ring, but it’s NOT the ring Barry wears as his wedding ring. It looks nothing like it nor does the hand modeling it look like Barry’s hand. I do believe (1) that he’s putting people on to try to persuade them to waste a bunch of time debunking his offerings by comparing the hand and the ring (NEITHER look like Barry’s) or (2) it’s possible that Barry did “model” another ring just for this purpose. In either case, it’s typical obot behavior.

          Here’s Fellowship’s article about The Ring: http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/bombshell-obamas-wedding-ring-inscribed-with-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

          • http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2373211/posts?q=1&;page=101

            At the top of that page is an alternative theory: that the design is parang rusak, a pattern that was used by Yogyakarta ROYALTY and was especially used at weddings. It’s a batik pattern. Maybe because SAD studied batiks?

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703192.html

          • Who, pray tell, is Dr. Con?

          • Hoot – A leftist obot – pals with the Foggy’s – dr. con – spiracy (put the word together) is the name of his blog – the two work together with the radicals and the WH to disperse false information especially against the “birthers”. They are heavily involved in following all of the lawsuits for Obama’s eligibility. It is alleged that they also help write the lawsuits for the left. They always get the results of court cases immediately and publish their take on what happened. They have multiple fake blogs to post the information as well. There is no doubt that they are paid to do what they do.

          • Were Obama ‘Allah ring’ images photoshopped?
            Analyst responds to charge amid debate over WND story
            Oct. 12, 2012 About 7:23 pm snips

            Were images that formed the basis for the determination by Arabic-language experts that Barack Obama’s ring is Islamic manipulated to “fit an agenda”? That’s the charge in a posting by the blog ObamaReleaseYourRecords.com that cites an unnamed “computer software and graphics expert.” The source contends computer-imaging software was used to deepen shadows to make details in the lighted areas “look more like an Arabic letter rather than a squiggly design.”

            Joel Gilbert, who was first to conclude that the ring bears the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada, explained that the only adjustment he made to images from a 2010 Huffington Post feature was to reduce the contrast about 50 percent. His aim was to enable the detail in the ring to be seen without being overwhelmed by the background light.
            In his analysis, he included a photo of the original, without any change in contrast, to show that he made no alterations in the ring’s patterns.
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            In a follow-up story, WND will address a high-resolution photograph cited in the ObamaReleaseYourRecords.com posting, which is distributed by Getty Images.
            An About.com blogger was first to use the photo to argue that the ring’s swirling pattern is just a stylistic design, not Arabic symbols.

            Meanwhile, in addition to the Arabic-language experts who already have concluded that part of the Shahada is inscribed on the ring, staffers in Jordan, with William J. Murray’s Religious Freedom Coalition have weighed in on the Huffington Post photos. “I sent the photographs to my office in Amman,” Murray wrote WND in an email. “This is the response: Yes, it is the Shahada, and the second part of the profession of faith is probably inscribed inside the ring.” The Amman staffers said they have seen other rings like it.

            http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/were-obama-allah-ring-images-photoshopped/

            • The battle of the experts! Boy. Where does the truth lie? Mara says that Getty image isn’t photoshopped, and yet I’d like an explanation of the fairy dust. I don’t know about you, but looking at the various images that were not darkened, I still don’t see how ALL of them show simple swirls.

              The explanation may be that there’s a repeating or varying pattern of “cartouches” around that ring and different photos show different areas of the ring. If it’s an heirloom from Indonesia–say it belonged to Lolo and Barry got it before he died–then it could show BOTH that Indonesian royal batik pattern in some cartouches and then also words of the Shahada on other cartouches. One would expect it to be symmetrical, so those parallel loops that look like rings around the side of the ring, simulating elephant hair wrapping, might delineate the different cartouches. Look at the Huffington photo, which is center right at this link: https://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/ring-tile-copy.jpg That surely does not look like the same part of the ring as the one immediately to the left OR the Snopes version which is at the top on the left.

              I think the fact that Dr. Con put out all those misdirecting/misleading photos allegedly of Barry’s ring is certainly suspicious.

          • WND article has been re-written.
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            “Update: Revealed; Hi-Res Image Of Obama’s Ring Appears To Show No Islamic Phrase”

            “UPDATE: WND published an article addressing the questions raised above.

            First the pertinent quote from the WND article followed by Mara Zebest’s response in italics:”

            http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/revealed-hi-resolution-image-of-obamas.html

          • So if I understand right ORYR is disputing WND’s report about the ring. Just what the obot’s wanted it too become, a skeptical, another controversy, forget any fact finding’s from the pro’s. Another move along folk’s nothing too see here.

        • very interesting 🙂

  4. It sounds as if Biden was trying to diminish Ryan by ridiculing him and trying to make viewers think of him as an amateur or a young kid playacting at being VP material. It also sounds as if all Biden succeeded in doing is diminishing himself.

  5. Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security

    10/11/12

    Vice President Joe Biden claimed that the administration wasn’t aware of requests for more security in Libya before the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi during Thursday night’s debate, contradicting two State Department officials and the former head of diplomatic security in Libya.

    “We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there,” Biden said.

    In fact, two security officials who worked for the State Department in Libya at the time testified Thursday that they repeatedly requested more security and two State Department officials admitted they had denied those requests.

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/11/biden_contradicts_state_department_on_benghazi_security

  6. Biden – Laughing at the Issues

    Biden is Laughing…..Are you?

  7. Crazy Old Joe Biden Laughing

  8. Biden did not interrupt. He was a disturbance. He was a heckler. It is too gracious to call what he did ‘interruptions’. Time to change the phrasing around “town”. FirstHeckler or Joe the Heckler. Or, Joe did not interrupt on TheJoeShow. What he did was what teachers call ” be a classroom disturbance”.

  9. I believe this is video of Sean Smith’s mother. She STILL doesn’t know her son’s cause of death, she says all they’ve told her are lies about how it happened, they won’t tell her what happened, and Susan Rice LIED TO HER personally–told her it was caused by that video. One wonders if this woman can have her son’s body autopsied on her own or whether they’d prevent it because of “national security”. This is outrageous and it’s rather amazing that it’s on CNN. I wonder if Cooper was surprised at what she said?

  10. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/11/Diane-Sawyer-Joins-Obama-Campaign?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+11%2C+2012&utm_campaign=20121011_m113671075_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+11%2C+2012&utm_term=More

    “Last night, all three broadcast networks found the revelations heard in congressional hearings surrounding the September 11 anniversary attack in Libya (criminally lax security and an obvious White House cover up) unworthy of leading their nightly newscasts. All three hit the story, but all three are killing themselves to downplay an explosive scandal they know could damage Obama’s reelection chances.

    Yep, we’re seeing all kinds of dutiful coverage, but as hard as some individual reporters are working, those who control The Narrative will never allow Libya to become one — not with Their Precious One serving them up the distraction-material they crave, like Big Bird and abortion.

    Having landed the first post-debate television interview with President Obama, it made sense for ABC’s World News Tonight to lead with the interview — except it wasn’t an interview. For nearly six-minutes (what amounts to a full-quarter of the entire newscast) it got mighty uncomfortable watching ABC News’ anchor Diane Sawyer give the president of the United States a full-body tongue bath.”

    What a revolting mental image. Ewww!

    Nolte says it amounted to a free 6-minute infomercial for Barry. So what’s new?

  11. I can’t figure out how to get it here, but at hillbuzz.org (and he says he got it somewhere else but doesn’t know who to credit) is a great picture of Biden as The Joker and Ryan as Batman (the cool Michael Keaton batman…my personal favorite).
    http://hillbuzz.org/

  12. The SPLC is one of my pet peeves, so I enjoyed this article: http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/tell-the-truth-shame-southern-poverty-law-center/

    ” “Sometimes the press will describe us as monitoring hate crimes and so on … I want to say plainly that our aim in life is to destroy these groups, to completely destroy them.”

    – Mark Potok, director of intelligence at Southern Poverty Law Center

    The homosexual activist group Southern Poverty Law Center has attempted to infiltrate the public school system with its newly designed entry-level “diversity” program called “Mix It Up at Lunch Day.” The goal of “Mix It Up” is to force the acceptance of homosexuality into public schools – even at elementary and junior high levels.

    The SPLC listed schools on its website that were “participants” of “Mix It Up.” However, the SPLC was reprimanded and exposed by administrators of public schools because it falsely listed its schools as participants without authorization or permission. How did the school systems respond? Get us off your list immediately!

    If the SPLC cannot force schools through totalitarian means to accept its “Mix It Up at Lunch Day,” then it will defend Obama’s hand-picked, degenerate, radical homosexual Dan Savage, founder of the It Gets Better Project. A man who touts around under the guise of “anti-bullying,” and who earlier this year assailed high school students who take a biblical stance on homosexuality at a high school journalism conference.”

  13. http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-admin-welcomed-wolves-into-sheepfold/

    That is an excellent article about how and WHY Obama has failed in his foreign policy–at least from our perspective. It’s entirely possible that he’s totally satisfied with the mess in the Middle East. Just as it’s possible he’s satisfied with the risk we now face from China.

  14. It’s Hillary’s fault. Under the bus with her! She’s to blame for the mess in Benghazi. Biden claims he and Barry NEVER KNEW that the embassy staff asked for more security: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/hillary-goes-under-the-bus-white-blames-state-dept-for-benghazi-security-failures/

    Vice President Joseph Biden speaks only for himself and President Barack Obama, and neither man was aware that U.S. officials in Libya had asked the State Department for more security before the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, a top White House official told The Cable.

    Biden has come under fire for saying at Thursday night’s debate, “We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there.”

    The Cable asked Deputy National Security Advisor for Communications Ben Rhodes whether Biden was speaking for the entire Obama administration, including the State Department, which acknowledged receiving multiple requests for more Libya security in the months before the attacks. Rhodes said that Biden speaks only for himself and the president and neither of them knew about the requests at the time.”

    AT THE TIME being the key operative PARSED words. They didn’t know when the embassy asked, but when DID they know? They don’t make clear what time “at the time” is. Did they mean they didn’t know when they spoke up and blamed the assassination/Al Qaeda 9/11/12 TERRORIST attack on a video or when (at the exact time) that the embassy staff asked Lamb (to the slaughter) for more security? When did they FINALLY learn? Within 24 hours of the attack? When everybody else learned? WHEN? Before or after they LIED?

    First they blamed the “intelligence community” and now they blame the State Dept. Either they’re in charge, setting policy, or they’re not. Either way, they’re INCOMPETENT or WILLFULLY NEGLIGENT or WORSE.

    • I was willing to give Biden a pass knowing that he has been sequestered practicing for his shameful debate for the last week and that is why his response was in direct conflict with what the people said at the hearing. Yet, at the same time he put the intelligence agencies under the bus in his comments, and in his way saying that they were stupid enough to say that the film was responsible for the attacks worldwide. David Petraeus (CIA) said on Sept. 14th in a meeting that some people suggested that it was the film…that is probably not all that was said.

      I can’t imagine that the CIA or other agencies didn’t recognize the attack as a terrorist attack. That would be mind boggling when all we had to do was recognize the day and see the results of the attack as being attributed to terrorists. Why would the CIA want to go under the bus for Obama’s administration? Who is pushing the party line in the military or at the intelligence agency? Someone at the CIA or whatever agencies are involved. When will they come forward? Obama et al has lambasted both the CIA and the FBI throughout the last four years and made them look like fools. Who will leak what was really said to the WH or the State Department about the attacks? These security agency employees are NOT covered in Obama’s newest Executive Order regarding whistle blowers.

      It could be true that Obama and Biden knew nothing about the potential attacks and warnings coming from Libya if neither attended or read their daily security reports. That isn’t just incompetence that is dereliction of duty.

      I admire the two whistle blowers for forcing Congress to open an investigation into this horrific incident and hope they will get to the bottom of this. The State Department employee, named Jim, is the one that denied additional security for the diplomat Stevens. Jim should be next on the list to be interviewed at the next hearing, as well as Rice and Hillary. Rice, Obama and Hillary were the ones who had the biggest megaphones stating the attack was in response to that stupid film. Most embarrassing is that Obama and Hillary blamed the film during the memorial service for the four slain Americans. With the coffins lined up in back of them, they told the lie to the family members. Unforgivable. As we have read, Susan Rice has kept up the lie when family has asked for specifics on how their loved ones died.

      The White House is now defending VP Biden’s comments on security in Libya. How many lies before we get the truth. Then why was it that the FBI was sent to Libya instead of the CIA – and didn’t get there for 23 days?

      • Have you seen the new meme that accuses Issa and other Republicans of “blowing the CIA cover” in Benghazi? It’s really a stretch and they’re trying to shift the blame away from Barry and his failures by claiming (a la Valerie Plame) that THEY are putting embassy people and CIA operatives at risk just by asking questions.

        This administration has hidden behind executive privilege and national security too long. The State Dept. people testified to the information and THEY also said, when a Republican objected that perhaps what they showed was sensitive, that it was NOT classified. It’s typical lamestream stupidity.

        The Republicans on the committee were trying to protect any “assets” while Hillary’s people were drawing pictures! The allegation is that the consulate was under the State Dept. but the “annex” was CIA. AS IF there would have been any difference in the outcome regardless. The embassy and the annex were DESTROYED by a Jihadist terror attack on the anniversary of 9/11. What difference does it make WHOM the dead and wounded reported to?

        AS IF the Libyans and others didn’t suspect or KNOW who these people were. They were working with them.

        It seems to me that Issa can get the emails and other messages that will show for certain whether or not the WH was notified when the embassy asked for more security. There’s NO WAY that I can see that knowing the risk, they refused them the security UNLESS orders came down from above.

        It’s said that they were concerned about the “appearance” of a barbed-wire-enclosed, militarized compound in a place where Barry wants to look friendly. That sounds so totally Barry. To avoid looking “imperialistic”. It’s of a piece with having our troops over there, sitting ducks, waiting to be killed, with one hand tied behind their backs and “rules of engagement” that they cannot fight back. Note that at that link, they say that two newspapers had already reported that the Benghazi location was CIA!

        I thought it was Lamb who denied the additional security. So the story morphs again. Who’s Jim?

        Allegedly, they’re going to interview Rice in secret. So likely she won’t be UNDER OATH. They ALL need to be under oath. We need Watergate-like hearings. Huma definitely plays a role in this. I can smell it. It took the FBI 23 days to arrive and then they stayed for only 12 hours?! Some investigation.

        Another odd thing I read in a story accusing Issa of outing the CIA: Some CIA exist in these consulates only to protect INFORMATION, not people. I assume that means to shred, destroy, keep out of the hands of the enemy, any information on paper, computer, etc. So, who was doing the same for the information in Benghazi? Nobody thought to protect the ambassador’s diary. What else wasn’t protected and is now in the hands of Al Qaeda?

  15. Google for Dummies! http://rt.com/usa/news/google-gmail-users-plaintiffs-289/

    “Representatives from Google are asking a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit waged at the company’s Gmail platform because the plaintiffs in the case cannot explicitly prove that their correspondence is being unlawfully monitored by the email service. …

    Google condemned the case this week, Courthouse News reports, arguing by way of a 25-page motion that Gmail scans data sent over its servers using its “fully automated processes involve no human review of any kind” that they insist exists to screen out viruses and spam “for the protection of its users.” Now they are asking US District Judge Lucy Koh to dismiss the complaint with prejudice. …

    Meanwhile, congressional Republicans wrote to the White House this week to attack a planned cybersecurity executive order that would allow third-party companies, such as Google, to openly share customer-inputted information with the federal government.

    “An executive order exerting influence over critical infrastructure is not just a step in the wrong substantive direction,” the letter reads. “It will almost certainly be exploited by other nations to justify their efforts to regulate the Internet. … ”

    The letter to US President Barack Obama was signed by 11 GOP members of Congress, including US Rep. Fred Upton (R-Michigan), Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-New Hampshire), Senator Marco Rubio (R-Florida) and Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah).”

  16. (CNN) “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” We put that question to the test and here’s what we found- by the numbers:

    9.4 million — Number of people unemployed in August 2008.
    12.6 million — Number of people unemployed in August 2012.

    6.1% – U.S. unemployment rate in August 2008.
    8.1% – U.S. unemployment rate in August 2012..

    1.6 million — Number of long-term unemployed (jobless for 27 weeks or more) as of August 2008.
    5 million — Number of long-term unemployed (jobless for 27 weeks or more) as of August 2012.

    Another round of Stimulus won’t create jobs

    5.7 million — Number of people working part-time,involuntarily, in August 2008.
    8 million — Number of people working part-time,involuntarily, in August 2012.

    Prices and Finance

    $3.96 — Average price for a gallon of milk in July 2008.
    $3.42 — Average price for a gallon of milk in July 2012.

    $4.09 – Average price for a gallon of unleaded gas in July 2008.
    $3.45 — Average price for a gallon of unleaded gas in July 2012.

    Housing

    68.1% — U.S. homeownership rate as of June 2008.
    65.5% — U.S. homeownership rate as of June 2012.

    $196,600 — Median price of an existing single family home in 2008.
    $188,100 — Median price of an existing single family home in July 2012

    Venomous CHATTY CATHY JOE SHMOE BABY BIDEN had a flash back case of TOURETTE’s syndrome… DIARRHEA MOUTH!
    OUR VOICE ???? …. not MINE never ever… what a BOZO… the HECKLER was on HAPPY GAS!!!!! compensating for a small penis!
    The room was thick with sh*t…. & JOE WAS FULL OF HIMSELF! SHAME…SHAME …SHAME on “MARTHA” “MARTHA” “MARTHA”
    as JOE & SHE kissed each others BUTT….ALL NIGHT! DISGUSTING!

    • Zen, your last paragrahp, “Venomouns…” has the potential to go down in history. It is perfect. In fact I am trying to figure out how to get the kids to make the stats into a rap/hip hop combo with this last paragraph the chorus. . .

  17. Some levity for a Friday afternoon, courtesy of our friends at Fellowship of the (brilliant) Minds: http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/lets-have-some-fun-with-another-caption-contest/

    I’m saying NOTHING!

  18. our Leaders ???? …… Hill-arious middle class yuking it up….

  19. “It just happened? Shocking Secrets and Verifiable Facts about Barack Obama the MSM Refuses to Report”

    “Some conspiracies are real! That is why RICO laws exist. Obama’s life and rise to power in the USA and criminal ID fraud is one of them! Watch this video about The Obama Timeline.”

    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/it-just-happened-shocking-secrets-and-verifiable-facts-about-barack-obama-the-msm-refuses-to-report/
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    Published on Oct 12, 2012

  20. RNC Reince Priebus tweeted – “The smirk didn’t work!” regarding Joe Biden.

  21. http://news.yahoo.com/public-law-school-faces-trial-over-liberal-bias-171508669.html

    “Praised by colleagues as smart, friendly and passionate about the law, Teresa Wagner was a leading candidate when two jobs came open to teach writing at the University of Iowa law school. An alumnus, she was already working part-time at its writing center and received positive reviews from students and a key committee.

    But after she interviewed with the faculty in 2007, one job went to someone without teaching experience and the other wasn’t filled. She was passed over for other jobs in the coming years. She now says she was blackballed because of her legal work against abortion rights and will take her complaint to a jury this week in a case that is being closely watched in higher education because of longstanding allegations of political bias at left-leaning law schools.

    Conservatives have maintained for years that they are passed over for jobs and promotions at law schools because of their views, but formal challenges have been rare, in part because of the difficulty of proving discrimination. Wagner’s case is considered the first of its kind.”

    How can there EVER be true justice in ANY court when this stat is true?
    “46 of 50 faculty members who considered her appointment were Democrats, while one was Republican. … A number of studies in recent years have examined party affiliation, ideology and donations to candidates and concluded that law professors are overwhelmingly left-leaning.

    Many law schools recruit conservative scholars to join their faculty and top law schools pride themselves on having prominent representatives of different perspectives. Some law schools, especially those affiliated with the Catholic church and other religions, also lean strongly conservative. Still, many liberals concede they outnumber their colleagues on faculties around the country but say reasons such as career choices may explain the disparity, not discrimination in hiring.”

    • I believe we have seen all of these before Zen, but this time the first photo seems broader, hasn’t been cropped. – look at the car on the left. From at commenter – thats in kenya in nairobi check the number plate of the car behind the president. I believe that person’s right. This is a picture from 1992? Maybe this was noticed before? I do not remember. I’m thinking when we originally saw that picture here in the states it had been cropped down, I maybe mistaken.


  22. HERE’S….. JOEY

  23. Actually I have seen enough 😆

  24. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ ……News from RUSH……
    Foxy, ..me 2…. except I still need that face 2 make me laugh….life is
    deadly serious 4 I know IT CAN turn to DUST before our very eyes!!!

  25. Snippet:
    ““Our way of life is under attack and if you think that’s government propaganda, if you think that’s nonsense, if you think that’s warmongering, you’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight.”

    “In your arrogance, you think you write the script, but you don’t. There’s two sides and we don’t dictate the terms. In fact after eleven years of war in Afghanistan, we’re rushing for the exits as fast as we can, not only do we not dictate the terms, but we have less power to dictate anything on the world stage.”

    “Ambassador Ryan Crocker said, ‘We’ve killed all the slow and stupid ones. The ones that are left are more committed and they didn’t become any kinder or gentler in the last eleven years.’

    “‘Another thing he said. We think we’ve won the campaign and they haven’t even begun to fight.’”

    If you fail to identify the ideological component to this fight, if you fail to identify what your enemy is really fighting for, if you lie about who they really are, I don’t see how you can possibly have the right strategy.”

    There’s a narrative coming out of Washington, much of it driven by Pakistani lobbying money and by Taliban apologists. One of my favorite things to read about is how the Taliban today is so unlike the Taliban of 2001, they’re a more moderate, gentler kinder Taliban who just can’t wait to see women in the workplace occupying an equal role in society and great economic prosperity for all of Afghanistan and they don’t really want to take us back 3,000 years into that terrible place I witnessed.”

    “And when I look at what’s happening in Libya, this big song and dance, whether this was a terrorist attack or a protest, and you just want to scream for god’s sake, are you kidding me, the last time we were attacked like this was the USS Cole which was a prelude to the 1998 embassy bombings which was a prelude to 9/11. And you’re sending FBI to investigate. I hope you’re sending in your best clandestine warriors who will go in to exact revenge and let the world know that the United States will not be attacked on its own soil, that its ambassadors will not be murdered and that the United States will not do nothing about it.”

    Unless there’s CHANGE, her HOPE will not be realized.

  26. Eric Holder will jump right on this one!
    Justice Dept. urged to investigate Obama’s Internet fundraising
    October 13, 2012

    Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus stated on Thursday that he was requesting the Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice to initiate a full investigation into President Barack Obama’s Internet fundraising for his re-election “war chest.”

    Priebus sent a letter to Attorney General Holder on Thursday demanding a probe of the Obama campaign’s “troubling pattern of behavior” in fundraising which could violate campaign laws by accepting online campaign contributions from foreigners. “The President’s campaign committee does not use the industry standard practices to guard against receiving fraudulent or excessive contributions via the Internet,” Priebus wrote in his letter to Holder.
    ~
    However, as reported by the Examiner, during the 2008 election cycle, there were allegations that Obama’s campaign accepted donations from Palestinians. The Obama administration claimed they returned the money, but the Palestinian denied receiving the $30,000 contribution.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/justice-dept-urged-to-investigate-obama-s-internet-fundraising

    • I’m sure that Holder will be more than happy to investigate. Results of investigation due in Dec. 2016, but investigation will show there’s “no evidence” of corruption anywhere, except in the Bush administration. Whatever happened, it’s Bush’s fault.

  27. US Senate Announces Investigation On Benghazi As Obama Talks Nicki Minaj, Mariah Carey Feud [The hooey he spreads wherever he goes.]

    Obama on the Yo! radio show in S. Florida. (a short clip) “I was being to restrained” during the debate as Romney told his tall tales. ” No doubt that I had an off night.” “in the debate, I was a little to polite” “I’ve spent 4 years cleaning up after those policies” [of republicans.] “A lot of folks didn’t know what we did!” [That’s the truth – we have no idea what he’s been doing behind our backs. Ask the Czars] “They have made strides in helping the housing market” – yeah and housing prices dropped substantially.

    http://patdollard.com/2012/10/us-senate-announces-investigation-on-benghazi-as-obama-talks-nicki-minaj-mariah-carey-feud/

    • If the Senate will have a hearing, it will be an orchestrated spin session, because finally the media are taking notice. Face the Nation actually had a tough story about this coverup today. Spin necessary.

  28. Let’s see, A House Ethics Violations Investigation and a investigation by the Fed – enjoying that stay at the hospital Jesse? Or was he released and now hiding out? How is his mental health? He is just now being treated for being bi-polar? That Congressional hospitalization policy really helps I bet; lucky Jesse isn’t covered by Obamacare or those panels might not deem him worthy of being saved. Another swell guy from Chicago.

    Jesse Jackson Jr. Under Federal Investigation
    October 13, 2012 Snips

    For Jesse Jackson Jr., the hits keep on coming. The Illinois congressman is currently under investigation by the FBI and federal prosecutors for alleged financial improprieties, including a possible misuse of funds monitored by Congress, according to NBC News. Sources have said that this investigation in not related to the earlier probe regarding the “scheme to persuade ex-Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich to name him to the Illinois Senate seat of Barack Obama in exchange for $1 million in campaign contributions from a top fundraiser.” In addition, Jackson’s spokesperson is unable to find the representative but suspects the troubled politician is in Washington, D.C.

    The sources said it was unclear whether Jackson, who has not been seen in his office for months, would be charged before the November election — a subject that was discussed between Jackson’s lawyers and the prosecutors this week. Jackson’s lawyers urged the prosecutors not to file charges before the election — but prosecutors refused to make any commitments, the sources familiar with the meeting said.

    Either way, the new investigation could ratchet up pressure for Jackson to step aside. Despite his illness — which his office has said involves his treatment for bipolar disorder — Jackson is running for re-election, seeking a 10th term.

    The sources did not specify the financial irregularities being investigated. But the Sun-Times said the case involves misuse of funds or an account monitored by Congress. It comes weeks after a report that Jackson and his wife, Chicago alderwoman Sandi Jackson, put their Washington DC home on the market for $2.5 million. A campaign spokesman said at first the home was put on the market to pay for medical bills, but the Jackson later took it off the market. [How did Jesse make all his money to afford a $2.5 M house?]

    http://www.theroot.com/buzz/jesse-jackson-jr-under-federal-investigation
    More
    Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. under federal investigation over alleged financial improprieties
    By Michael Isikoff, NBC News national investigative correspondent [Remember this reporter from eligibility reporting?]

    Jackson, the son of civil rights leader Jesse Jackson Sr., stopped working June 10, his staffers revealed two weeks later. He first obtained treatment at a facility in Arizona before transferring to the famed Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., where doctors said he had “depression and gastrointestinal issues.”

    He left the Mayo Clinic and went back to Washington, D.C. in early September but has not returned to work.
    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/12/14399883-rep-jesse-jackson-jr-under-federal-investigation-over-alleged-financial-improprieties?chromedomain=usnews

    • How did he make all his millions? Racial blackmail.

      You can certainly read between the lines on this one. The prosecutors want to charge before the election to force him out so that the DemoncRATS can put forth a new, more pliable, more acceptable-to-Barry candidate–one who isn’t at risk of spilling any beans. They want him out. Gone. Whether he deserves it or not, he’s getting it because he’s a risk to them. He knows stuff and he just might talk.

      This is what happens to those who merely look as if they might stray from the Chicago thug reservation. Hiding out in a mental hospital ain’t going to cut it. He should turn whistle blower, but that isn’t going to help him until AFTER the election, when there’s a new Justice Dept. Nobody in THIS one cares what he has to say, except in the sense they want to SHUT HIM UP.

  29. Obama Throws Hillary Under The Bus – Clintons Furious
    October 13, 2012 by Tim Brown

    It appears that Barack Obama is ready to let Secretary of State Clinton take the fall for the failure in security in Benghazi. During the vice-presidential debate on Thursday it became clear that is what the agenda was. There is no doubt that is part of her responsibility in that role. According to the State Department’s website:….
    ~
    It seems that there is a legitimate reason for the Obama administration to throw Clinton under the bus on this one and it seems that everyone is on board with it, including Vice President Joe Biden. Foreign Policy reports,…

    Vice President Joseph Biden speaks only for himself and President Barack Obama, and neither man was aware that U.S. officials in Libya had asked the State Department for more security before the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, a top White House official told The Cable. Biden has come under fire for saying at Thursday night’s debate, “We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there.”
    ~
    But, if you think that Hillary Clinton is going down without a fight, you would be sorely mistaken. Already former President Bill Clinton has stepped in to give his wife some aid in the matter. Ed Klein at the Daily Caller writes, My sources tell me that Clinton is working on a strategy that will allow Hillary to avoid having Benghazi become a stain on her political fortunes should she decide to run for president in 2016. Bill Clinton has even gone so far as to seek legal advice about Hillary’s liability in terms of cables and memos that might be subpoenaed by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which this week launched an investigation into the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. The committee will also examine the apparent Obama administration cover-up that followed the Benghazi attack.

    Finally, I’m told that Bill is playing with various doomsday scenarios, up to and including the idea that Hillary should consider resigning over the issue if the Obama team tries to use her as a scapegoat. That seems unlikely to happen. But if relations between Obama’s White House and Hillary’s State Department rupture publicly over the growing Benghazi scandal, that could damage the Democratic ticket and dim Obama’s chances for re-election.

    Barack Obama has taken some initiative to protect his Attorney General Eric Holder, though it is possibly because of his own involvement in Operation Fast and Furious. It’s quite possible that Clinton is the one the [that] not only knew of the need for extra security for the Libyan ambassador, but that she made the decision to not provide it.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/obama-throws-hillary-under-the-bus-clintons-furious/

    • Bob Schieffer even asked Elijah Cummings point blank on Face the Nation whether he’s saying that the State Dept. was incompetent on this one. Cummings was spouting the party line spin–wait for the investigation. This is “turning into a witch hunt.” The Republicans are to blame because they cut the State. Dept. budget.

      But Issa had already revealed on the show, earlier, that there’s $2 billion in discretionary funds they could have used and that this “cut” was only a reduction in the INCREASE Obama asked for. They had plenty of money.

      No matter the state of their budget, it goes without saying that ANYBODY with common sense would prioritize how to spend limited funds, with LIVES being the highest priority and parties in Colombia NOT being high priority.

      Issa also said that Lamb testified that MONEY is NOT what caused them to turn down the request for more security in Libya. The reason for it was that they didn’t want the “APPEARANCE” of a fortified place where they were supposedly trying to be friends with the Libyans. It was a POLICY decision and you KNOW who makes policy–it’s NOT Hillary Clinton. Obama (actually Valerie Jarrett) makes all those calls.

      Cummings also used one of the typical DemoncRAT lines: There’s “no evidence” yet that anybody was deliberately lying. I beg to differ and Schieffer should have to. When you have multiple people saying that this was a “spontaneous” escalation during a protest against a video, and then you have VIDEOTAPE showing NO protest, no demonstration TO escalate, but a PLANNED, CAREFULLY COORDINATED, LONG-LASTING TERRORIST ATTACK USING HEAVY WEAPONS–then that’s EVIDENCE THEY LIED. All they have to do is put the statements beside the image of that quite embassy, the night of the assassination/terrorist attack.

    • “It’s quite possible that Clinton is the one that not only knew of the need for extra security for the Libyan ambassador, but that she made the decision to not provide it.”

      And IF she did, it was because this is the POLICY of the Obama administration and she was probably also influenced heavily by Huma Weiner. This isn’t going to help them: http://news.yahoo.com/jewish-group-condemns-egypts-muslim-brotherhood-130904239.html

      “A fierce statement against Jews by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s spiritual guide drew criticism from an Israeli lawmaker Saturday, while a Jewish activist group called on Washington to cut contacts with Egypt over the issue.

      Mohammed Badie said during his weekly message that Jews were spreading “corruption,” had slaughtered Muslims and desecrated holy sites. He further called on Muslims to fight Israel, saying Zionists only understood force.

      “It is time for the Muslim (nation) to unite for the sake of Jerusalem and Palestine after the Jews have increased the corruption in the world, and shed the blood of (Muslims),” Badie said in comments published on the group’s website and emailed to reporters on Thursday.

      “Muslims must realize that restoring the sanctuaries and protecting honor and blood from the hands of Jews will not happen through the parlors of the United Nations, or through negotiations. The Zionists only know the way of force,” he added.

      Israeli lawmaker Danny Danon called on the U.S. and the European Union “not to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the worrying reality.”

      Incitement and anti-Semitism in Egypt must stop before the U.S. sends (Egypt) hundreds of millions of dollars,” he said in a telephone interview. “The direction of the new Egyptian government is very worrying and we are following with great concern what is being said and done and what is not being done there against extremists.”

      The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which monitors anti-Semitic incidents worldwide, also said the U.S. could not pretend to conduct “business as usual” when the Brotherhood made such statements.

      “We are not dealing with a YouTube video or a lone extremist imam, but a call to anti-Semitic violence by a man who has tens of millions of followers and leads the organization that controls Egypt’s future,” the center’s Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper were quoted as saying in a statement.

      They called on the White House to condemn the speech, and sever official and unofficial contacts with the Muslim Brotherhood. [FAT CHANCE WITH THEIR OWN UNOFFICIAL CONTACTS AND THE BACHMANN-RECOGNIZED INFILTRATION OF OUR GOVERNMENT BY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD–AND SISTERHOOD, VIA HUMA WEINER.]

      U.S. officials were not immediately available for response. Israeli government officials said they would not comment on the speech.”

  30. Does the rhetoric of the Obama campaign bring about feelings of déjà vu, along with the inevitable nausea? If so, it could be ’cause we’ve heard it all before somewhere— Republican National Committee ad.

    • That’s hilarious, isn’t it? They needed to do this. Badly! “Steps we can take right now,” and four years later … economy is WORSE than ever, deficit and debt are higher than ever, and Barry bloviates the same crap, no matter how inapt it is! That final line is great! “Obama isn’t working.” Obama has NEVER worked a day in his cushy life!

  31. Justice for America – Judge Janine Pirro’s show. She asked Ret. Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney questions regarding the attacks in Libya. He was asked why he thought the US delayed sending help to Benghasi and then sent in the FBI. He said it was to stall it through November 6th. Why not address the security needs/requests? The Obama regime has politicized this because of the election. We have senior people who are not breaking it open. Why aren’t they? Another person, former CIA, said this attack and response parallels the attack on the USS Cole. The Cole was attacked just before an election also – Clinton’s. The only thing the Obama and Clinton administration cared about is power and getting reelected. They don’t care what the citizens think. The CIA guy said there could have been a military response within 24 hours. (The administration said there was a problem with getting them visas and that is why it took 23 days before anyone got to Benghasi…how lame is that?)

    Lt. Gen McInerney also said that we should covertly take out Al Qaeda and all of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    • Covertly take out the MB? They could start with publicly answering Michele Bachmann’s questions about the MB infiltration in our government. Let’s NON-COVERTLY take all of them out of our government: FIRE THEM ALL, NOW. How did they get security clearance? Why doesn’t Bachmann get answers? What role did these infiltrators play in the deaths of our citizens in Libya? btw, aren’t they supposed to have been covertly and non-covertly taking out Al Qaeda since 2001?

    • He needs an editor. I like this paragraph:
      “The problem with any testimony about “who”, “when”, “where” and “how” paper documents unseen by the public were produced, transported, prepared and copied is nothing more than lies told by degenerates with a proven vested interest to see Obama’s fraudulent identity protected and his uncorroborated claims to presidential legitimacy validated at all costs. They are all therefore parroting second hand information told to them by corrupt letches working under Obama who are motivated to make sure any detracting information which might compromise perceptions about his legal eligibility is never revealed in the domain of public consciousness.”

      Somehow, it reminds me of this exchange from Apocalypse Now:
      “Willard: I’m a soldier.
      Kurtz: You’re neither. You’re an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

      Well said, Daily Pen! Now this is what I LOVE to see. INDISPUTABLE PROOF that the Hawaiian birth announcements and even Hawaiian birth records are GIVEN to foreign-born individuals. Note the word “native”:

      “In fact, during our investigation beginning in 2009, archived census schedules taken in Hawaii in 1950, 1940, 1930 and 1910 have been cross-referenced with Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements which reveal thousands of foreign births which were registered in Hawaii where the foreign child was issued a “native” birth certificate by Hawaiian SOS office. One of the 4300 examples we obtained from Hamilton library’s archive records includes the birth of a son to Eikichi Iwamura in 1933. According to 1950 census schedule volume 14, sheet 39, line 35, Mr. Iwamura resided in Hawaii’s 66th Electoral district with his wife, daughter and his seventeen year old son, Einoshi who, according to the census enumeration, was born in Japan as so stated on the original schedule card. However, a birth announcement for Einoshi was published and registered in the Hawaiian Secretary of State office archives showing the birth occurred in Honolulu and Einoshi was issued a Hawaiian birth certificate stating he was born in Hawaii when, in fact, he was not. This is just one example of thousands our investigative team found.”

      The only thing Obama’s campaign averred back in 2008, is that he was a “native” citizen. I hope it’s true that they have “thousands of pieces of evidence which clearly shows beyond any doubt that the State of Hawaii issued birth certificates to foreign born children which state that they were born in Hawaii when they were not.

      To state that, they need more than a birth announcement in the paper. They need to see the birth certificate to know whether or not the record itself actually places the birth IN HAWAII and not in the country where the person was really born, although they do state that Einoshi has a record in the SoS archives stating he was born in Hawaii when he was born in Japan.

      At the very least, though, this well and truly debunks the birth announcements as proof of ANYTHING. But we did that already, by simple logic:

      “A son” is not necessarily the pResident of the WH. “Mrs.” is not necessarily the alleged wife of BHO Sr. known as (sometimes) Ann Dunham, because at the time he had another wife or three.

      • The professional obot said, “The software could very well have enhanced the document. The scanner could have made mistakes (and it did, notice the word “TXE”-–—well that should be THE), and the color of the paper could be all wrong.”

        I’m amazed at that. They are rationalizing that the scanner itself turned the word “THE” in a STAMPED image into a NON-WORD “TXE”? How could or would that happen? The only way I could imagine this happening is if the scanning was done to use character recognition. It’s been proven that OCR was NOT used. But even if it were, why would the scanner mistake the most common word in the English language for a non-word?

    • “The belief that a presidential candidate whose eligibility is in doubt should be required under penalty federal law to present authentic paper documents which prove he is who he says he is is a fundamental requirement of all Americans in any endeavor. For example, my employer demanded to see proof of my citizenship to work for them. If I had said, “Please see the images of my drivers license and passport posted to my Daily Pen website, they would have said, ‘uh, we’ll hire someone else, thanks anyway’.”

      Exactly. What I’ve said from the beginning. Who would accept a digital image (especially on a partison BLOG) as proof of anything? Here’s an interesting story:

      “When Antonia Giannasca called Carnival Cruise Lines this year to book a vacation to Mexico for her extended family, the sales representative assured her that she had all the travel documents necessary to board the ship.

      Under the U.S. government’s “closed loop” rules for cruises, her 3- and 11-year-old sons needed only their birth certificates. She and her husband were required to bring a valid ID and a birth certificate. Her mother, Vittoria, a naturalized citizen born in Italy who would be celebrating her 71st birthday during the voyage, needed her naturalization form and an ID, the representative told her. Passports wouldn’t be required.

      But those assurances gave way to a sinking feeling as they tried to board the Carnival Imagination in Miami. When Giannasca’s mother arrived at the dock with the family on June 18, a Carnival representative examined her paperwork and shook her head. “Uh-oh,” the agent said. “This is the wrong form.”

      Vittoria Giannasca should have brought a naturalization form with a raised seal, a little detail that the Carnival sales agent apparently had failed to mention. An emotional confrontation between family members and cruise line employees followed, with Carnival offering to let the passengers find the required form and board the ship in Key West, Fla., for an extra $1,500 — money they didn’t have.

      They missed their cruise.”

      AND the cruise line would NOT refund the money. Family is out over $3000 BECAUSE the government, after 9/11, required persons like that 71-year-old to present documents with a RAISED SEAL in order to board ships. This lady was prevented from taking a celebratory cruise for her 71st birthday, she was screwed out of over $3000 bucks as a result, and YET Obama is allowed to sit in the WH without providing one SHRED of proof of his own citizenship, much less a certified paper document with a RAISED SEAL ON IT.

      • Again, I have to disagree with Daily Pen in his allegation that because, for STATISTICAL REASONS, the census “allocated” births to the county of the mother’s residence, then that means that the birth records ALLOCATED the birth location to the mother’s place of residence. The record MIGHT correctly state the place of birth, e.g. as Kenya, while the STATISTICS sent to the feds counted the birth as a Hawaiian birth. Why? Because it was assumed the kid would live with the mother and thus be a resident, too, and all residents are counted for the purposes of handing out federal largesse. You cannot assume that how they counted residents is how they made up the birth certificates. We know of the one example (Sun Yat Sen) where a person born overseas DID have a birth certificate claiming a birth in Hawaii, but we need more recent and indisputable proof.

        He says, “Therefore, it became federal policy that all children born abroad to U.S. resident mothers were allowed, within a year of the birth, to register the birth in the U.S. and receive a U.S. birth certificate stating the place of birth as the same as the residence of the mother.”

        I would like to see that federal policy. Policy is not law. We need proof that this is what Hawaii did–that they put the birthplace AS Hawaii when they knew that it was not. I think it’s more likely that, in Obama’s case, if he does have a BC stating birth in Hawaii when he was not born there, then Hawaii, without verification, accepted an affidavit stating he was born on Hawaiian soil.

  32. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2942803/posts
    with a photo ….Dr. Peter Hammond was on Barbara Simpson
    show yesterday and he said YES Obama is a Muslin…
    you can listen to the taped show. Tonight is Pam Geller …again.

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