Let the Debate Begin: Obama Communism or Romney Capitalism? (Open Thread)

© Miri WTPOTUS October 3, 2012

Tonight will be the first of three debates between Barack Hussein Obama II and his challenger for the U.S. presidency, Willard Mitt Romney. Will this or any of the other debates actually touch upon the most important issue in this election? With the liberal media controlling the questions (possibly in collusion with the White House), it’s highly unlikely.  What is the greatest issue facing our nation?

Will our Republic continue the economic system, capitalism, which has made the United States of America the most successful nation in the history of the world;


will our Republic be deceptively led into an economic system, communism, which has proven time and again to be disastrous for all?


That’s what this debate should be about.  However, it’s highly unlikely that the debate moderators will go there.

I chose the above photo because of its connection to the Plymouth Colony and the Mayflower Compact. Many of our fellow citizens don’t know that early in our country’s history, some of the most recent immigrants¹ to these shores experimented with communism.  They don’t know because progressives in “academia” don’t like to talk about this failure because far too many of them are Marxists themselves; therefore, they don’t teach these important facts.

As with the Soviet Union, communism in the Plymouth Colony was a disaster.  Some former states of the Soviet Union still suffer from post-communism malaise syndrome.  Today, those countries risk falling back into the familiar trap of communism because their people have become accustomed to dependency and no longer know how to be self-sufficient. That is the trap of communism, which particularly appeals to tyrants because a complacent, dependent population is more easily controlled. [emphasis added to quotes]

As William Bradford recorded in his Of Plymouth Plantation, a people who had formerly been known for their virtue and hard work became lazy and unproductive. Resources were squandered, vegetables were allowed to rot on the ground and mass starvation was the result. And where there is starvation, there is plague. After 2 1/2 years, the leaders of the colony decided to abandon their socialist mandate and create a system which honored private property.

Fortunately, the Plymouth Colony quickly learned its lesson, before the people forgot how to work, before they lost their virtue and self-esteem.

Rather than being entrepreneurs like the settlers in Jamestown, Plymouth Colony was a collective economic system. The settlers, who later became known as Pilgrims, worked for joint partnership or common-stock and were fed out of the common stores. The land and the houses were joint property. For seven years the venture capitalists in England and Pilgrims would work and then what was produced would be divided equally. …

Young unmarried men objected to having the fruits of their toil go to support other men’s wives and children. Married men disliked having their wives sew, cook, and wash for the others. Hard-working men thought it unfair that they should support the more idle or incapable. The older men, or those of the better class, declined to work 

Seeing the failure of communal farming, the colony instituted a free enterprise system. Each colonist was given ownership to one acre of land and each colonist was challenged to better themselves and their land by working to their fullest capacity. The colony began to flourish. …

Capitalism was birthed out of an earlier failed socialist experiment as far back as the Mayflower. The capitalistic economic system is as American as the 4th of July.

Recently, Mitt Romney was smeared for saying something that he did not say (or did not mean to say.  What he meant is what’s important and any fair-minded person would take him at his word, if the explanation makes sense.)

While speaking to a group of supporters, Romney stated that it was a waste of his time and energy to try to persuade the 47% of the population that has already firmly decided to vote for Obama to vote for him instead.  He also spoke about the 47% of U.S. citizens who pay no income taxes and therefore have no skin in the game, so to speak.  Because the video was secretly recorded, admittedly selectively edited, and is missing 2 minutes from the pertinent and most crucial part of his speech, we don’t know for certain what he said or meant; but he admits that he spoke “inelegantly.”

Nevertheless, even if he were speaking about the half of the population that pays no taxes, that’s certainly a critical issue for this debate.  Seventy-nine percent (79%) of our citizens believe that everybody should pay income taxes.  So why doesn’t everybody have skin in the game?

The fact that half of the population pays no income tax, and that some of them even receive tax “returns” of money that they never paid into the system in the first place, is an important topic to address in any debate.  This is simply redistribution of wealth, something that Obama favors

This is communism, and communism is known to be a system that leads to the tyranny of the masses and dictatorship.  Not every citizen is equal in communism. Instead, the overlords, the elite (like Obama and his czars) who run the system, enjoy a much higher standard of living.  Everybody else is equal in squalor, while the top dogs enjoy the fruits of everyone else’s labor. One need only look at Cuba and other communist dictatorships to see how the leaders live large while the population suffers.

Mitt Romney was excoriated for what some inferred from his statement:  That Romney has no patience with the “moochers” in our society. However, as we see from history, it’s also as “American as the 4th of July” to complain, as did the harder-working members of the Plymouth Colony, about having to carry on their backs those fellow citizens who only take and never give.

This is the critical choice that faces us in this election:


Will this topic be debated tonight?  I doubt it. The lamestream media, in collusion with progressives (aka communists) in the Democrat Party, conspire to keep the population appeased with bread (“free” cell phones!) and distracted by circuses (American Idol, Snooki, Kardashians, Ann Romney’s clothes) so that they won’t truly know what they’re voting for (or against) when they vote in November.  Most of the people who voted for Obama’s “hope and change” in 2008 had no clue, thanks to the complicit media, about exactly what his promise of “fundamental transformation of America” entailed.  Will they know THIS TIME around?  We’ll get a clue tonight.


¹ Every human being in this hemisphere is an immigrant.


Photo from Wiki Commons:  Pauline Eccles

221 responses to “Let the Debate Begin: Obama Communism or Romney Capitalism? (Open Thread)

  1. Security – Another New Republican Ad – note the empty chair…

  2. “That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car,” The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway tweeted.”


    Can’t wait to see someone create a cartoon for this! ROFL!

    Obama ought to be defeated already – it blows my mind that he’s not doing far worse in the polls. It’s a bit scary that so many people can still support him.

    I’ve been compiling a list of various economic indicators and then added a few foreign policy too, over the last few weeks. Considering these data, Obama ought to be totally sunk. Any good additions for my list are appreciated:

    As of Sept. 2012:
    **Obama so loves the poor, he’s created millions more.
    **Fewer people are working now than when Obama took office
    **Unemployment was 7.8% when he took office, it’s now 8.3%
    **23 million unemployed or underemployed
    **Lowest job participation rate (percentage of population actually working) in over 30 years
    **The middle class has lost 40% of its net worth under Obama
    **659,000 more long-term unemployed than there were in June 2009
    **Food prices up 15% under Obama
    **A record 45 million on food stamps, increased 59% in just 3 years under Obama
    **Gas prices doubled under Obama
    **Oil production on federal lands is down more than 7% – that’s Obama.
    **Private fracking (that has NOTHING to do with Obama) is the only reason overall oil production is up.
    **43 months of unemployment above 8%
    **Obama has the worst job creation record since 1945 (BLS)
    **Obama recovery the worst in 75 years
    **Poverty rate highest since the 60s
    **nearly 2.7 million more in poverty than when the Obama recovery started
    **Regulations and compliance costs are up drastically, more under Obama than any other president.
    **55% of small business owners and manufacturers would not have started their businesses in today’s economy, according to a new poll that also reports 69 percent say President Obama’s regulatory policies have hurt their businesses.
    **Median household income declines $4,300 under Obama
    **Since 2009, average incomes of the middle 20% of American households dropped 4%. In 2011 alone, they fell 1.7%.
    **Incomes of the poorest 20% dropped more than 7% since 2009. Now lower than they’ve been at any time since 1985, after adjusting for inflation.
    **These results are highly unusual in an economic recovery, which typically produces income gains across the board
    **60% of jobs lost in recession were midwage, just 22% of those created during the recovery paid as well. 21% of the jobs lost in the recession were low-wage, 58% of those created during Obama’s recovery paid low wages
    **Average family health insurance up $2,370 under Obama – he vowed decrease of $2,500. premiums climbed faster in Obama’s four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush.
    **Added $5.3 trillion to our National Debt, from $10.6T to $16T
    ** Income inequality has reached new heights
    **Presided over only US credit downgrade – twice
    **Long-term unemployed: More than three years into Obama’s recovery, 811,000 more still fall into this category than when the recession ended.
    **Black poverty at record highs
    **Black youth unemployment over 50%
    **Hispanic unemployment at 11%
    **Illegals due to receive roughly $7.4 billion through Obama’s Additional Child Tax Credit.
    **11.8 million more people on food stamps since Obama’s recovery started
    **50% of college graduates unable to find a job within a year after graduating
    **Misery Index: When Obama took office, the combination of unemployment and inflation stood at 7.83. Today it’s 9.71
    **More than 1 million workers been added to Social Security’s disability program in the last three years
    **Even unions are worse off, with membership dropping half a million between 2009 and 2011
    **An increase in long-term unemployed from 1.6 million in early 2009 to 3.6 million today.
    **The unemployed out of work for a year or more jumped from 11.8% in the first quarter 2009 to 29.5% in the first quarter 2012
    **Worst uprisings in the Middle East in decades,
    **First Ambassador killed in over 30 years
    **No increased security on 9/11 even though there were advanced actionable warnings
    **Massive multiple intelligence leaks almost certainly from White House itself
    **Failed negotiations with Iraq for post withdrawal issues
    **Iran on the brink of nuclear weapons
    **Unilateral action taken on Libya without congressional approval
    **Sovereignty of other nations routinely violated
    **increased spending on foreign aid by 80 percent and,
    **in fiscal 2011, spent 76 percent more on foreign aid than it did securing the borders of the United States.

  4. Disgusting if THE USA…. has allowed a drugged out freak to put US ALL in harms way…. If it’s true that VAlerie Jarrett TASK/JOB is to ween him off his CRAP as he detoxes… blink blink .. lick lips… wrinkled SUIT???
    (while our MEN drop DEAD like FLYS) & Michelle tells the child to go & “HAVE FUN” at his DEBATES…We were watching and it sure was NOT FUN 2 WATCH…. so sorry Michelle….. it was SAD!!!!
    Every picture tells a BIG story…. And that “Sweetie” shout out while…. missing the TON of GUYS that we have read about… get real… I don’t think she is really a WIFE!
    PHONEY CON MAN…..IS HAWAII CALLING? Going to take OUR $$$$
    & run before it BLOWS wide OPEN?
    Was he doing his famous doodles like in meetings or just trying to stay awake? Or unable to retain a thought in that cracked head…. like a sieve?
    ~~~~~~ SO…DOES OBAMA WANT…… OUT???

  5. Gore Says Air Made Obama Stumble


    Gore blames Denver altitude for Obama’s debate performance

    Published October 04, 2012


  6. He just wasn’t there….. mommy dearest…. makes him feel better!
    my favorite is the very last one…. Bye Bye…

  7. Jerome Corsi:


    As a young single woman, Michelle Robinson was a fixture in the home of civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, who along with Rev. Jeremiah Wright “arranged” her marriage to Barack Obama, according to sources in Chicago who know the couple.

    “The Chicago sources told WND the selection of Michelle Robinson for Obama was made by Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright agreed it would be a good combination.

    “It all relates back to Trinity United and to the Jesse Jackson orbit of blacks here in Chicago who gave Obama legitimacy and helped him establish his identity as a black man ‘from Chicago,’” Robyn explained.

    According to Robyn, Jackson explained to Michelle that she would live a life of luxury once Obama was president, and that she never again would have to worry about money.

    “Michelle was nasty, and most straight guys would never be able to put up with her moods and temperament,” Robyn maintained. “But Obama really didn’t care. Michelle had the credentials and she looked the part. Obama wasn’t interested in her for sex.”

    A source WND will identify as Hazel, a long-term member of the Trinity congregation, insisted Obama remained sexually involved with men after his marriage to Michelle.”


    • It makes sense. Didn’t she babysit for Jackson or something like that? I’d forgotten there was a connection between her family and his. Makes a lot of sense. I remember, though, the story about Jarrett taking them both out to lunch and telling Barry to be good to Mooch. Something like that.

      That’s excellent research and it does all make sense. All comes together. Explains Barry’s friendship with Valerie. They’re like girlfriends. Amazing. I always thought it was an arranged marriage. It also explains why they lie about how and where they met. The first kiss story having multiple versions, too. None of it is true, but they would hardly tell the real truth.

      How the heck did they hide Mooch’s close relationship with the Jesse Jacksons and with his daughter all this time? I think if that were well known in 2008, people would have had a lot of questions, considering who and what Jesse Jackson is.

      I’ve been thinking that the story that Jackson Jr. is bipolar is bogus, too. Either he’s in rehab OR for some reason they wanted him out of the public eye (house arrest?) until after the election. Fishy. He’s hiding from the investigators who are still looking into all that shady stuff having to do with Blago and Obama’s senate seat.

    • “Once he became president?” How did they (Jesse Jackson) know 20 years ago, Obama was to become president or that she would never have to worry about money? MO looked the part of a wife? This helps explains her rumored affair with a secret service man, as well as her separate vacations.

      • This reminds me of an article I read awhile back – Ready to be tucked? rotf! What man say’s that to his “wife” a marriage of convenience.

        Michelle Obama: President Obama tucks me in every night

        He may be the leader of the free world, but he still takes a moment to tuck his wife in at bedtime.

        First Lady Michelle Obama revealed that tidbit and other details from the
        couple’s personal life in a People magazine interview that hit newsstands Friday.

        “We have a ritual where he tucks me in, because I’m usually in bed before anybody,” the First Lady spilled. “He’ll come and turn the lights out and give me a kiss, and we’ll talk. He’s like, Ready to be tucked? I’m like, Yes I am.'”


        • Sounds like they have separate beds or bedrooms. That’s nauseating and nobody believes this crap unless they’re really mind-numbed obots. What reporter would actually report that pabulum with a straight face (figuratively speaking)?

  8. October 4, 2012

    Jerome Corsi:


    “My staff has reached out to Sheriff Arpaio’s office,” Coburn wrote in the constituent letter. “However, I have yet to be presented any credible evidence to demonstrate President Obama was not born in Hawaii.”

    From there, Coburn cited Obama being placed on state ballots for president as proof Obama’s birth certificate is genuine.

    “Furthermore, all 50 states saw fit to put Mr. Obama on their ballots in 2008 and again in 2012,” Coburn wrote. “This includes Arizona, which was recently provided verification of President Obama’s birth by Hawaii. I remain open to hearing and reviewing any supporting evidence.”

    However, Mike Zullo, lead investigator for Sheriff Arpaio’s law enforcement investigation into Obama’s eligibility, insists Coburn has yet to see the evidence his team has uncovered indicating the document the White House posted as Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery.

    “The truth appears to be that Sen. Coburn has no serious interest in conducting an honest evaluation of whether or not Obama’s birth certificate is genuine, or the computer-generated forgery we have concluded the document is,” Zullo said.”


    • Another sad commentary on our elected officials.

      Wouldn’t it be great to convene a group of them, say 50 members for an innocuous meeting, then unknowingly lock the doors so they can’t escape. Surprise Tea Party! Then let Zullo present the evidence and slide show that they have refused thus far to hear, view or even question. Until they listen, they won’t hear anything. The Sheriff could put them all under arrest for something, anything, to keep them there too.

    • I wish I were a lawyer so I could parse all the possibilities. What if he WAS born in Hawaii but before it was a state? Would it then be as if he were born outside the country to an alien father and a mother who was too young to transmit citizenship? Suppose he was born outside the country and its territories (Canada or Kenya). We know SAD was too young to transmit citizenship, so he wouldn’t even have citizenship at all. There were residency requirements and she didn’t meet them. What if he really was 52 in 2009, as his MySpace page once said? http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107163/ He’d have been born in 1957. If he was born in 1957 and if SAD was his mother, then she would have been about 15 when he was born. Jail bait! Close enough to the age of the 13-year-old Ann that FMD wrote about having a menage with, along with his wife. We know that the Dunham family was in Seattle, allegedly, in 1957. So was FMD in Seattle at various times, it’s said. Why did the Dunhams up and move to Hawaii? AND WHEN did they? Could it be? FMD moved to Hawaii in 1948: http://www.reformation.org/frank-marshall-davis-obama.html

  9. From Rush Limbaugh…“You know ladies and gentlemen, Obama came off even worse in his debate with Romney last night than he did in his debate with Clint Eastwood. And that’s saying something!”

  10. The day after Obama totally bombs it appears that Axelrod and Plouffs have created the latest new Chicago Way Political Strategy – They will in unison call Romney a Liar for whatever he said during the debate. If he opened his mouth, he was lying. They will be painting and creating fabrications that are not true because he took Obama and their talking points to task for their own lies. Extremist didn’t work, killer or murderer didn’t work, the Bain Capital ploy didn’t work, he was a tax cheat and thus a felon didn’t work either, and the 47% was a lie, so they want to see if this new tact will cut it and yet they won’t say what was a lie…just make the accusations. Obama lies continually so they think they can use this on Romney. What a group of depraved individuals. Poor Bammy got beaten to a pulp. The humiliation and embarrassment is ALL his and 67 million people saw it happen, and they try to spin this? Sure. Hopefully, this will bite them in the A@@ like their last ones did.

    • Everybody is saying that he didn’t bring up the 47% because they KNEW Romney had a zinger prepared for it. It’s why he didn’t bring up the tax returns. We know what the response to THAT would be. My guess is that Romney would have brought up Barry’s comment about how the poor are too stupid to know how to dress, behave, etc. for job interviews. Wasn’t THAT rather racist of him? What if Romney had said anything remotely like that? There’s a guy running for AG (I think) in MO. His name’s Ed Martin. I heard him on the radio this morning saying that what he REALLY wants to see are Barry’s college records. 🙂

  11. What do you think about this? How about us watching some more violent outbreaks worldwide….especially if Obama is behind in the polls?

    Film about bin Laden raid airing Nov. 4! The movie will show on the National Geographic Channel two days before the presidential election.

    • How many times do we have too hear about bin Laden dieing? Wasn’t he already dead 4 times BEFORE Obama had him killed? Ya sure, let’s just bury him at sea, no DNA. So when is his reprise? the day before elections? Wait for it!

      • Today’s new’s Oct 5, 2012, (actually yesterday’s now) I just happened to catch this. Something to think about. Abu Hamza to be extradited to US, why now?

        Abu Hamza to be extradited to US

        BBC News
        5th October 2012

        ‘Five suspected terrorists including Abu Hamza al-Masri can be extradited to the US, ending a long legal battle, UK High Court judges
        have ruled.

        The radical cleric, Babar Ahmad, Syed Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz failed to show “new and compelling” reasons not to send them.

        Their appeal came after the European Court of Human Rights backed successive UK courts in ruling for extradition.

        Judges said their extradition “may proceed immediately”.

        A Home Office spokesman, meanwhile, welcomed the decision and said it was “working to extradite these men as quickly as possible”.

        The BBC understands two US civilian jets – one of which is registered to the US Department of Justice – are on the tarmac at an air base in eastern England.

        Judges Sir John Thomas and Mr Justice Ousley said in their ruling that there was an “overwhelming public interest in the functioning of the extradition system” and that there was “no appeal from our decision”.

        Of the long legal battle to send the men – whose extradition requests were submitted between 1998 and 2006 – to the US, Sir John told the court: “It is unacceptable that extradition proceedings should take more than a relatively short time, to be measured in months not years.

        “It is not just to anyone that proceedings such as these should last between 14 and eight years.”‘


        Wiki –

        Abu Hamza al-Masri (Arabic: أبو حمزةالمصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī) (born 15 April 1958, Alexandria) is an Egyptian-born Sunni convict and dismissed imam, who has preached Islamic fundamentalism and militant Islamism or jihadism. He was imprisoned in the United Kingdom in 2004 and was extradited to the United States on 5 October 2012.
        Masri publicly expressed support for Islamist goals like creating a caliphate,[18] and for Osama bin Laden. He wrote a paper entitled El Ansar (The Victor) in which he expressed support for the actions of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) in Algeria, but he later rejected them when they started killing civilians.[19]

        It is alleged that he associated with Abdullah el-Faisal, a Jamaican Muslim convert cleric who preached in the UK until he was imprisoned for urging his followers to murder Jews, Hindus, Christians and Americans, subsequently being deported to Jamaica in 2007.
        On 26 August 2004, Masri was arrested by British police under section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000 which covers the instigation of acts of terrorism. He was “de-arrested” on 31 August 2004, but kept in prison whilst a U.S. extradition case was developed and British authorities drew up further criminal charges of their own.[21] Almost two months later, on 19 October 2004, Masri was charged with 15 offences under the provisions of various British statutes, including encouraging the murder of non-Muslims, and intent to stir up racial hatred.[22] The trial commenced on 5 July 2005, but was adjourned, and not resumed until 9 January 2006. On 7 February 2006, he was found guilty on eleven charges and not guilty on four:

        Guilty of six charges of soliciting murder under the Offences against the Person Act 1861; not guilty on three further such charges.

        Guilty of three charges related to “using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with the intention of stirring up racial hatred” under the Public Order Act 1986, not guilty on one further such charge.

        Guilty of one charge of owning recordings related to “stirring up racial hatred”.

        Guilty of one charge of possessing a “terrorist encyclopaedia” under the Terrorism Act 2000, s58. This charge under the Terrorism Act of 2000 related to his possession of an Encyclopedia of Afghan Jihad, an Al Qaeda Handbook and other propaganda materials produced by Masri.[23]

        In sentencing, Mr Justice Hughes said Masri had “helped to create an atmosphere in which to kill has become regarded by some as not only a legitimate course but a moral and religious duty in pursuit of perceived justice”.[24] Masri was sentenced to seven years’ imprisonment.
        On 27 May 2004, Masri was detained on remand by British authorities and appeared before magistrates at the start of a process to try to extradite him to the United States. Yemen also requested his extradition.

        The United States wanted Masri to stand trial for 11 counts relating to the taking of 16 hostages in Yemen in 1998, advocating violent jihad in Afghanistan in 2001, supporting James Ujaama in an attempt to establish a terrorist training camp in late 1999 and early 2000 near Bly, Oregon and of providing aid to al-Qaeda.[31][32] Ujaama is a U.S. citizen who had met Masri in England in 1999 and was indicted in the U.S. for providing aid to al-Qaeda, attempting to establish a terrorist training camp, and for running a Web site advocating global violent jihad.[33] Masri was in Britain throughout the relevant period.


      • Here’s Benazir Bhutto being interviewed with David Frost and in conversation she mentions the dead OBL, in passing, just as matter of fact. Of course she was assassinated the next month.


        Incidentally, iirc, she was murdered during the same week as Donald Young in Chicago ~ a couple of weeks before the January 3, 2008 Iowa Caucus.

        • Wow, good find Papoose! My point exactly, OBL has been dead for years.

          She was murdered during the same week as Donald Young in Chicago, another too add to the dead list? No doubt.

          Thanks for the info. Papoose.

          • Benazir Bhutto – Assassination 27 December 2007 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan

            27 December 2007

            Obituary: Benazir Bhutto

            Benazir Bhutto followed her father into politics, and both of them died because of it – he was executed in 1979, she fell victim to an apparent
            suicide bomb attack.

            Her two brothers also suffered violent deaths.

            The assassination of Benazir Bhutto occurred on 27 December 2007 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Bhutto, twice Prime Minister of Pakistan
            (1988–1990; 1993–1996) and then-leader of the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party, had been campaigning ahead of elections due in January 2008.


        • That video’s been around a long long time. I think I’ve listened to it several times,because it is what keeps a constant in my head that things are not, never what they seem.
          For some new news, one should look up all you can on Irving Brown, the Union ,communist watchdog back in the day….and why professor Gerald Horne chose to inject him into his book in a short paragraph concerning Mboya talking with Irving Brown about getting the student Barack Obama Sr. to the states. Gerald mentions Obamas speech in Selma and that whole lie. I can’t remember the name of Gerald’s book,but if you type in Mboya and Irving Brown, you’ll get it probably via google books, and you’ll see that professors (he’s big on african history and a marxist) have chosen to rewrite history to suit the politic of the day. If you keep on following Irving Brown and his fine history , you’ll see layed out before you some very,very interesting parallels as to what’s happening today in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Lybia, possible drug trafficking/weapon trafficking and so on. Irving can show you how it is done…..it also puts Obama in a new light for me, as to what he may have been doing in Pakistan or where ever else he may have been during his college years.
          When we’re being duped by our own government, it’s time for deep reflection….why do our politicians want to create now the US sentiment for revenge????, because that’s what we’re expected to feel after this crude hateful act in Benghazi, but instead of revenge(for the government’s pleasure to do what they want on our behalf, like more squelching of free speech), we need to get smart. We are turning into the very hoodlems that we hate if we get pleasure outwardly over assassinations and the like.
          If you really think Bin Laden’s residence wasn’t know by the Pakistani officials,just a stones throw away, or you really think Sadam Hussein was actually in his little cubby hole cave where video shows he was caught…, then you don’t know anything about the long list of CIA that spend hours over their coffee stained journals writing scenarios creating the fiction delivered up with a cherry on top. It’s been happening over and over again for a long time.
          You’ve got to read about Irving Brown….it was a name I came across and had jotted down a couple years ago, but never explored…and while trudging through some papers to throw out, I came across it….and boy , it will open up some avenues if you plow in far enough.

  12. Here’s the second part of the Trinity homo story at WND.

    I just love this part: “Michelle came from a political family; she was intelligent even if she didn’t really like to work. Wright knew Obama was gay, but he needed the cover of a wife if he were to succeed in politics.”

    Then this part: “Michelle was nasty, and most straight guys would never be able to put up with her moods and temperament,” Robyn maintained. “But Obama really didn’t care. Michelle had the credentials and she looked the part. Obama wasn’t interested in her for sex.”

  13. Judge dismisses lawsuit seeking to toss Barack Obama off Kentucky ballot
    5 October

    Interesting that the court ruled, since House told us that he had withdrawn his complaint.

    A Franklin County judge has dismissed a lawsuit seeking to have President Barack Obama removed from the ballot in Kentucky.

    In dismissing the suit, Circuit Judge Thomas Wingate ruled that Congress, and not he, is empowered under the U.S. Constitution to rule whether Obama is a “natural born citizen,” which is required of people elected president. “This court trusts that the members of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives are qualified to adjudicate any objections regarding an allegedly unqualified candidate,” Wingate wrote in the two-page ruling.

    Louisville anesthesiologist Todd House filed suit claiming that Obama isn’t qualified to run for president because Obama’s father was not an American citizen and because, he claims, Obama was born in Kenya. Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen. Officials in Hawaii have said that Obama was born in that state.

    Obama, the Democratic National Committee and Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes asked that the case be dismissed because they claimed Franklin Circuit Court had no authority to rule in the case.

    Jaret Hill, a lawyer hired to represent House after the suit was filed, also asked that the case be dismissed because, he said, the case should have been filed in federal court.Hill said House has not asked him to refile the case in U.S. District Court but couldn’t rule out that possibility.


    • That’s a new one. It’s for the SCOTUS to decide the meaning of “natural born citizen,” which they already have. In any case, it’s not for CONGRESS to decide. CONGRESS cannot overrule the express qualifications in the CONSTITUTION.

  14. Rasmussen just came out with a poll in the three battleground states, OH, FL, and Virginia – post debate. Basically, the debate helped Romney. All 3 = Dead heats

    Ohio: Obama 50% – Romney 49%
    Florida: Romney 49% – Obama 47% It was opposite pre-debate. 4 pt chg.
    Virginia: Romney 49% – Obama 48%


  15. Out of Time…..
    O’Barry..(I had 5 seconds..) No ..YOU took (usurped) 4 YEARS!
    Your time is UP!…… Fool us ONCE!
    As… Mitt SCORES…. and ….. O’BARRY BORES….
    I love hearing Mitt’s voice with facts…. an Adult NOT jivin’, slippin’ & sliding CRAP! So sick of crap crap crap….
    Music 2 my EARS…. (can we still say ears?)
    O’s charming Grin… he uses on The VIEW grates the hell out of me, harder each day to watch this puppet… & Uncle Omar, Bro GEORGE
    & Auntie XYZ….. my gram had no MEDICAL care $$$… we knew who did not care… but she left O $500,000 to $800,000 $$ after she died?
    A POOR WHITE LADY… I still think Madelyn & Stanley ANN.. are alive!

  16. All gave some,
    Some gave all,
    We were proud,
    To answer the call.

    It’s not an enemy,
    Far away.
    But a President,
    That wants his way.

    Take from the makers,
    All he can.
    To give to the takers,
    In this great land.

    The call has come,
    To defend this land,
    On November sixth,
    We make our stand.

    If we should happen to fail,
    That day.
    Many say,
    They will go away.

    I will not go,
    But I will stay.
    To defend this nation ,
    Another day.

    God blessed this country,
    And I do too,
    It is my honor,
    To protect,
    The red, white and blue.

    John D. 10/5/12

  17. PA – Get rid of her! Another anti-American! Such BS. She doesn’t pray period like most commies.

    Dem Politician Refuses to Lead Pledge of Allegiance at Meeting: ‘I Don’t Pray in Public’
    October 5, 2012

    Politicians and candidates are all-too-often derided for making accidental — and silly — public pronunciations and gaffes. But it’s not a frequent occurrence for a leader to make headlines for what he or she refrains from saying. However, this is the case surrounding Pennsylvania State Representative Babette Josephs (D-Philadelphia), whose stance on the Pledge of Allegiance is creating controversy.

    As WHTM-TV reports, Josephs refused to lead fellow politicians in the Pledge on Wednesday. Her reasoning? We’ll let her tell you in her own words: ”Based on my First Amendment rights and based on the fact that I really think it’s a prayer. I don’t pray in public.”
    Josephs attempted to further explain her reasoning for not uttering the so-called prayer. The politician referenced the decision, in 1954, by Congress to add the words “under God” to the national declaration and said that the action — which was taken when she was just 14-years-old — makes the Pledge a prayer.


    • Anyone who can not Lead Pledge of Allegiance is Un-American obvious FACT! And Babette Josephs is a State Representative, a Democrat, not surprising. Listen up America! this is NO LONGER the Democrat party your grandparents once belonged too! This why it so important too research the background of any and every person running for an elected office.

  18. What Was That Odd ‘Thud’ Sound During the Debate? Listen at URL because it won’t embed
    October 3, 2012

    During tonight’s U.S. presidential debate around 10:07 p.m. ET, a loud noise briefly interrupted the dialogue. The “thud” seemed to come from behind the stage, where the candidates were jockeying back and forth on domestic issues.

    The brief moment of uncertainty did little to dissuade Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who was speaking at the time. For a split-second, he acknowledged that he heard the noise, but promptly continued speaking. However, his Democratic contender, President Barack Obama, more noticeably looked behind him (and smiled) to see if he could locate where, exactly, it was coming from. The moderator, Jim Lehrer, didn’t stop the debate and nobody openly discussed what caused the noise, leaving TheBlaze — and viewers who noticed it — wondering what unfolded backstage.

    Watch below and listen for the bizarre noise. What do you think it was? Odd smile for Obama unless he knew it was to occur. A planned distraction? Quick recovery by the speaker, who happened to be Mitt.


  19. Miri… humor me… right of the page … Helen…. EARS…..
    or the left…. her & O’s face… match up.. any thoughts?

  20. http://epaabuse.com/9242/videos/video-shines-light-on-obama-epa-green-way-of-life-agenda-2/

    OBAMA’S “ALL OF THE ABOVE” ENERGY POLICY. (btw, he claims that’s what HE calls it–“all of the above,” as if he didn’t steal that phrase from Sarah Palin.) LIAR, pants on fire.

    Youth for Barry! http://cnsnews.com/news/article/epa-celebrates-children-health-month-encourages-recruiting-students-energy-patrols

    “The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is celebrating Children’s Health Month this October by providing information and health tips on its website, including the importance of energy efficiency in schools.

    On the website page is a link to a 26-page EPA report entitled, “Sensible Steps to Healthier School Environment.” In the report’s chapter on Energy Efficiency, the EPA presents a box with items to help establish “Energy Efficiency Opportunities for Schools.”

    One of the items in the box reads, “Educate students and staff about how their behaviors affect energy use. Some schools have created student energy patrols to monitor and inform others when energy is wasted.””

    ENERGY PATROLS. Like Hitler’s snitches.

  21. If you’re black and you don’t support Barry, watch out! He’s watching you:


    “Lowery says he doesn’t personally support the president because he’s not addressing issues important to the black community. He said he was explaining that to Raymond when the Obama campaign official told him, “You know what? I know everything about you.”

    Lowery says Raymond added, “We’ve been watching you, and since you don’t support Obama, we’ll deal with you,” before hanging up.

    Lowery filed a report with the Oak Forest police report, he says, “in case something happens.”

    He says it was suggested the NAACP should automatically back the president. Lowery notes a non-profit cannot support a particular candidate.”

    • The NAACP thought Socialism/Marxism was their friend until Communism ate them. That’s how Communism works, sounds like Lowery got a good dose of reality of NAACP’s fruits they helped bear.

  22. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/benghazigate-obama-chose-not-to-save-ambassador-stevens-life/

    This article says that Obama “CHOSE not to save” Ambassador Stevens’s life!

    • Stevens asked for help, he knew at the very least two day’s in advance what was about too happen. There were Marines stationed 500 miles away that could have been there by helicopter within two hour’s. Obama CHOSE not too not make that call.

    • The Consulate had asked for help repeatedly. Benghazi had no real security except for that being provided by Islamist militias. Where exactly did the State Department expect help to come from? Contact was made with the Muslim Brotherhood’s Feb 17 militia which was supposed to provide protection. [They contacted the MB for protection? Who in the State Department would have that connection? Huma? Why would the MB protect Americans?]

      But that was an admission that Libyan authorities could not provide security. [That is the country’s job to provide security for our consulates – yet it was given to a British group?] If they could have, why turn to Feb 17?

  23. protectourcivilrightsfreedoms

    First Presidential Debate: Obama vs. Romney (Complete HD – Quality Audio)
    “Barack Obama and Mitt Romney discuss domestic policy in the first debate of the 2012 presidential election from Denver, Colorado.”

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    Romney Debates the Empty Chair
    Carol Platt Liebau
    Oct 05, 2012 07:35 PM EST


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    Happy Friday: Watch Obam-“uh” Struggle Through the Debate in 51 Seconds

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    The Empty Chair
    By Michael Ramirez – October 06, 2012


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    “Round 1 – Romney Knock Out – 2012 Debate”
    By Lisa Benson – October 07, 2012


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    By Lisa Benson


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    You Can’t Keep Kicking This Can Down The Road
    By Robert Ariail – October 05, 2012


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