Mississippi Democrat Party Gets Obama Birth Verification (Open Thread)

Onaka Verifies Obama’s LFCOLB for Mississippi

OKAY! SO WHAT’S UP WITH THIS? It was submitted in the Mississippi ballot challenge. To head off Sheriff Joe’s next presser? You be the judge. Have at it. Pick it apart, folks. I haven’t had time to read the entire motion yet.

OPEN THREAD.

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244 responses to “Mississippi Democrat Party Gets Obama Birth Verification (Open Thread)

  1. Bridgette | June 11, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply

    Tickly has a closed blog so where did she make that statement?

    Miri | June 11, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply

    Yeah. I’d like to know, too.
    *****************************************
    Look at the pencil tracing of the official Hawaii Dept of Health seal, Miss Tickly posted in her story about the seal. The official seal has the stars at the equator of the seal. The seal on the Miss. verification shows the stars in the wrong place, and the lettering is all different from the official seal Miss Tickly posted the picture of.

  2. If the Hawaii Dept of Health has changed it’s official seal, there should be a record of this action, otherwise that is not the official seal on the Miss. verification.

  3. Not a surprise, but the issue of Holder being held in contempt of Congress was ABSENT from my morning paper, as was the story about the SCOTUS turning away the Keyes appeal. Funny what they decide is “news”. I saw on TV news last night about Barry’s ineligibility and how the SCOTUS said nobody has standing. AS USUAL, they MISREPRESENTED the case and said it was about “birthers” who believe Obama was born in Kenya and are questioning his “citizenship”, when they know the issue is not his CITIZENSHIP. It’s his foreign father AND his lack of proof of NATURAL BORN citizenship. However, I was amused to hear them say that the plaintiffs believe Obama’s birth certificate is FORGED. THAT might pique the interest of more viewers who just might go looking to see why anybody would think that! Drip, drip, drip. Even good news for Barry can be good news for us, if it gets more Americans THINKING and RESEARCHING.

  4. We know that HDOH has certified that they have this chit “on file”,
    but please remember that Obama’s chit was never “accepted” as
    stated on all other Certfications that we have seen.
    Very convenient out for Onarka and his HDOH co-conspirators.

  5. http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/obama-bc-seal-contradicts-factcheck/

    in responses/comments misstickly has many …dates are 5/20/2011 etc.
    ( Bob S comment/link ?? )

  6. duplicate comment removed.
    BB

  7. ….Marco Rubio …..son of …..Cuban Immigrants…. he loves…

    Marco Rubio loves hip-hop, The Gladiator and all things football: Ten details from new unauthorized biography
    June 12, 2012

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/marco-rubio-loves-hip-hop-gladiator-things-football-121415016.html

    • Just what we need, another “cool” ineligible guy with a pumped up biography and facts that conflict with his “stories.”

  8. duplicate comment removed.
    BB

  9. Birther Saga continues… + more…

  10. Here is the link to the seal Miss Tickly posted, but I can’t access the site. Will try again but I doubt I can get into her site. Maybe someone has access.

    http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/unveiling-the-hdoh-seal/ ^ |

  11. I found the pencil etching of the official seal of dept of health. I hope this is a good link, either way I will stay after it.
    ********************************************

    Somebody Please Blow the Whistle in Hawaii: Hawaii Health …
    [Click to close recommendations]

    beforeitsnews.com/story/298/234/Somebody_Please_Blow_the_Whistle…
    … valiant researcher Miss Tickly aka TerriK. Are the reporters in Hawaii … maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health … from rubbing the seal, for example with a pencil …

  12. Try this link to the miss Tickly seal from HI dept of health.
    *******************

    • Yes, that one works. I had just tracked that down, too, and was ready to post it. I’ll save it, too, just in case.

  13. Look at the pencil tracing of the official Hawaii Dept of Health seal, Miss Tickly posted in her story about the HI dept of health seal. The official seal has the stars at the equator of the seal. The seal on the Miss. verification shows the stars in the wrong place, and the lettering is all different from the official seal Miss Tickly posted, that she got in a FOIA request.

    The verification sent to Arizona didn’t have a seal on it at all.
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    Try this link to the miss Tickly seal from HI dept of health.
    *******************

  14. What do you think Miri, the seals don’t match and the verification to AZ had no seal? It should have had one!

    • Yes, I would think it ought to have had one, at least! They don’t match and butterdezillion had something about that, too. Something to do with the type of seal that deeply embosses and causes those wrinkles, like you see on this letter. Iirc, she said that the official certification seals don’t emboss very deeply on purpose so that they don’t show up when copied or scanned. It’s puzzling. It might just be that the thicker security paper doesn’t bend as much when depressed with the embosser. But the seals have an OFFICIAL form and that was shown somewhere. On someone’s blog. Maybe Tickly’s or butterdezillion’s or possibly both. And possibly elsewhere, too.

      I said yesterday that somebody ought to tip Orly to the fact (and Bennett, too) that the paper HE got is not certified and differs from the one Mississippi got, which they did apparently file with the Court.

  15. Miri, I think forgery of the verifications is a possibility, and maybe Sheriff Joe has more evidence to deal with.

    I think butterdezillion commented that the Onaka signature was not distorted by the seal’s impression on the paper, on the Miss. verification.

    • If they forged the verifications, they went into new and uncharted waters by filing the one in MS with the Court. Of course, the judge has the “original” and we could be dealing with yet another “for public eyes” versus for the judge’s eyes, with protection of the guilty. Is there any fraud involved with posting that at Scribd? Does anybody even KNOW who posted it or its provenance or whether it’s real or not? Orly said she’s not allowed to see the original, if I understand her correctly. She got an electronic copy, apparently. It’s hard to believe, however, that the court wouldn’t give her access to the actual document for her to examine. I still wonder if, because this was filed with the court, she can ask for the underlying documents.

      Which reminds me that there was a hearing in Indiana today.

  16. Orly doesn’t have an update on the Indiana hearing yet but I just found an amazing thing on her site: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=105453

    “William Bryan, an old communist CA attorney, who resigned from CA bar in the midst of multiple suspensions and looming disbarment moved to North Carolina and bought a flower shop there. Bryan is one of Obama regime attorneys, who organized Fogbow with Scott J Tepper (attorney who joined Samuel Begley as a a democratic party attorney in MS).”

    A major fogblower is the attorney for the MS DemoncRAT party! You cannot make this stuff up.

    Orly did have an update prior to the scheduled hearing time:

    “I just got in Indiana, my co-plaintiffs showed me a letter that I did not get since I was in flight. The letter came from 5 attorneys of the office the General Counsel of the House of Representatives asking me to withdraw my subpoena for Congresswoman Pelosi to appear tomorrow. Attorneys are: Kerry W. Kircher, William Pittard, Christine Davenport, ToddB. Tatelman, Mary Beth Walker.

    The whole point is that Pelosi was subpoenaed as a Chair woman of the Democratic National Convention, not as a Congresswoman. Her malfeasance was in signing an altered certificate of candidate, where the wording “eligible according to Constitution” was taken out. The reason it was altered, was because Pelosi knew that Obama is not eligible and fraud is being committed. She is embezzling our taxpayer dollars by having the General Counsel of the House of Representatives appearing for her in this case.”

    Good point. If she’s being sued or called because of actions she took as head of the DemoncRAT party, then she has no business having We the People pay for her legal services. This should be paid for by the DemoncRAT party.

    • http://obamaballotchallenge.com/indiana-ballot-challenge-dismissed

      That site reports only that the Indiana challenge was “dismissed” with no further details as of 3 hours ago.

    • I think that is the ugly guy that wore the red hat in a photo. He was outed on WND. (I will find the citation.). I remember the name. He is the worst of slime. How can he be working as an attorney? – I think he lost his license! Unless it is someone else I am thinking about.

      It is the same person and he can’t practice law in California. Wouldn’t another state check to see his background before giving him a license to practice again? Is he licensed to practice in Mississippi?

        • Lovely. So he loves commies. And his co-founder Tepper? Don’t know but you can guess someone’s proclivities by the kind of people he hangs with. And Barry WAS a member of the New Party (a SOCIALIST, IF NOT COMMUNIST) party, despite that he had his campaign minions outright LIE about his membership.

      • Bryan, yeah. Tepper, I don’t know if I’ve seen a photo of him or even heard his name before. When the MS letter came out, the name didn’t ring a bell. Tepper is co-founder of the Fogblowers, according to Orly. I do think the other guy is now a florist and can’t practice law, if he ever did.

    • Meet ‘PJ Foggy,’ birth certificate fraudster
      Disbarred attorney organized ‘birther punking’ scheme
      June 16, 2011 Snips

      This is the second in a series examining the role supporters of Barack Obama have played in forging fraudulent birth certificates..

      NEW YORK – At the center of the network of Obama radical activists who forged and distributed a fraudulent Kenyan birth certificate in August 2009 was former California lawyer William L. Bryan.Bryan posts as an Obama operative under the username “PJ Foggy” and lives in Raleigh, N.C., where he runs a flower shop.

      Under the cover of his username, Bryan and his associates have engaged in an aggressive campaign to disrupt any and all attempts to pursue legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility, while seeking to ridicule in vile and abusive terms those who dare advance or support publicly such legal efforts.
      ~
      Reading Bryan’s many Internet posts, there appears to be no concern that advertising their activities to “punk birthers” might draw attention to the various state or federal statutes they may have violated to achieve their aims.

      Following a Saul Alinsky “ends justify the means” rationale, Bryan, posting on the Internet as “PJ Foggy,” has sought to protect Obama from legal scrutiny over eligibility questions by employing tactics designed to confuse, block, disorganize and discredit political enemies. His tactics have even reached the point of filing legal motions encouraging judges to impose penalties for misconduct on lawyers such as Orly Taitz who dared challenge Obama in court.

      According to his profile on Linkedin.com, seen below, Bryan graduated from the University of Southern California Law School and received an undergraduate degree from Georgetown University in international economics. Bryan’s photos online include one of him in his “Famous Red Cap” bearing the communist hammer and sickle, as seen in Exhibit 2.

      The website of the State Bar of California provides documentation that Bryan is no longer eligible to practice law, as seen in Exhibit 3:

      The State Bar of California details that Bryan has a history of disciplinary actions based on his failure to provide his clients appropriate legal assistance, a condition that stems from manic depression, substance abuse and a history of family problems, as detailed in Exhibit 4:

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=311093#ixzz1SewPnc5Z

      • What’s notable is that while looking for info on the Indiana ballot challenge on Orly’s site, I came across a post where she said that someone with an IP# that traces to North Carolina is harassing her and (iirc) hacking her email. Now, note where Bryan lives. Orly asked for help in finding the owners of the IP# and some names came up, that aren’t Bryan, and I won’t repeat them here because it’s entirely possible that they are innocent. People CAN and DO hijack other people’s wi-fi networks and therefore their IP#s. Just another interesting coinkidink, though.

    • I checked North Carolina and Mississippi State Bars for Bryan’s name and he wasn’t listed as licensed. I wonder if she is positive that it is the same William Bryan with the middle initial of L. It did say in Corsi’s article that he filed legal motions – but where were they filed and what state is he licensed in?

      William L. Bryan

      Mississippi State Bar – not listed
      https://www.msbar.org/lawyerdirectory.php

      North Carolina State Bar – not listed
      http://www.ncbar.com/gxweb/wwmember.aspx?William,,Bryan,,NC

      • Tepper’s the lawyer on the MS case, not Bryan. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. He and Bryan co-founded Fogblowers, if Orly is correct.

  17. Sheriff Joe challenges eligibility in Florida
    Judge also wants White House to back its definition of natural-born citizen

    Art Moore @ WND

    Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse lead investigator have submitted sworn affidavits in a Florida case challenging President Obama’s eligibility for the election ballot of the crucial swing-state that decided the 2000 presidential election.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/

    • Sheriff Joe challenges eligibility in Florida
      Judge also wants White House to back its definition of natural-born citizen
      2 hrs ago Snips

      Affidavits from Arpaio, Cold Case Posse lead investigator Mike Zullo and WND author and senior reporter Jerome Corsi have been filed ahead of the hearing. The briefs support the complaint’s charge that there is evidence Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the White House and, therefore, original documentation is needed to determine whether he should be on the ballot.

      Attorney Larry Klayman, founder of the Washington, D.C., watchdogs Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch, is representing a registered member of the Democratic Party, Michael Voeltz, who has filed the complaint as a Florida voter. Klayman’s work is supported by the non-profit ConstitutionActionFund.org. Klayman told WND today that unlike other Obama eligibility cases, this case “likely will go the distance” because of the strength of Florida law, which provides voters with the right to challenge a candidate’s eligibility.

      In a hearing May 31, Lewis noted that while Klayman’s brief cited a U.S. Supreme Court’s decision defining “natural born citizen” as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White House’s arguments provided no citations.
      ~
      Arpaio recounts in his affidavit how, in response to the request of Maricopa County residents, he commissioned a team “of former police officers and attorneys who have worked tirelessly since last October, looking into this controversy.”

      “Upon close examination of the evidence,” Arpaio states, “it is my belief that forgery and fraud was likely committed in key identity documents including President Obama’s long-form birth certificate, his Selective Service Registration card, and his Social Security number.”

      Zullo states in his affidavit that he advised Arpaio that the document posted by the White House as Obama’s birth certificate represents two crimes: fraud in its creation and fraud in its presentation to residents of Maricopa County and the American public as “proof positive” of Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

      His investigators further determined, he says, that the Hawaii Department of Health has engaged “a systematic effort to hide from public inspection whatever original 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health may have in their possession.”

      http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/sheriff-joe-challenges-eligibility-in-florida

      • Sheriff Joe Arpaio Affidavit (snips)

        7. Upon close examination of the evidence, it is my belief that forgery and fraud was likely committed in key identity documents including President Obama’s long-form birth certificate, his Selective Service Registration card, and his Social Security number.

        8. Most importantly, the “registrar’s stamp” in the computer generated document released by the White House and posted on the White House website, may have been imported from another unknown source document. The effect of the stamp not being placed on the document pursuant to state and federal laws means that there is probably cause that the document is a forgery, and therefore, it cannot be used as a verification, legal or otherwise, of the date, place or circumstances of Barack Obama’s birth.

        http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/06/arpaioaffidavit.pdf

        • It’s a “true copy” OR “abstract of TXE file.” Could this possibly mean that Barry’s original birth certificate was created AFTER they went totally to computerized registrations (after 2001 or whenever it was) and that there is no PAPER “original birth certificate” and ALL there is is the computer database file record containing the information that “matches” because Barry himself supplied it and maybe Granny and perhaps even Abercommie filed affidavits in support of it? Remember his slip once when he said “people signed affidavits” or something to that effect? Gordo, you just may be right about that “TXE”. TXE, an “enriched text file” extension. I wonder what CURRENT certified copies of birth certificates say? I mean, when a newborn’s parents receive a copy. Surely they do, at the hospital?

    • I think this is the first time that the Social Security Number is cited as a forgery and fraud by Sheriff Joe!

      • “At the May 31 hearing, Judge Lewis responded to briefs filed by Obama’s team that argued it would be an undue burden and expense for the president to fulfill requests for evidence and testimony in the case.”

        Oh, yes. It WOULD BE an “undue burden and expense” for Barry to take time out from golfing, from hobnobbing with and hitting up for donations all those Hollywood A-list celebrities, from using our money to campaign and fundraise all over the USA, and from missing the D-Day remembrances for whatever lame reason he didn’t give.

  18. Bridgette | June 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Reply

    I think this is the first time that the Social Security Number is cited as a forgery and fraud by Sheriff Joe!
    ***********************
    I think you are right, things are heating up!

  19. What a fraudulent statement. The claim is made that a birth certificate is on file. That raises several questions.
    1. They would not know nor care if a birth record existed in their massive paper archive. they would only know what they found in their digital data base which contains data from all of their records. they would go no further than checking on a computer what info was displayed. the accuracy or fraudulence of that information would not have concerned them. Whatever info was displayed was, no doubt, entered fraudulently and contains false information.

    2. The statement does not call the “birth certificate on file” a Hawaiian birth certificate. If one is really in their archive and in their data base then no confirmation is provided as to the nation or state or hospital that issued it.

    3. If the only statement he was willing to make is to verify that the bc on file indicates that obama was born in Hawaii then he still has not verified where he was born, only what the info in the file indicates, -accurately or inaccurately.
    He is unwilling to verify his birth location itself because he would have to personally examine the micro-film record to be able to know for a fact the truth of what his original birth record shows. Instead he falsely claims that Hawaii has an original Certificate of Live Birth when hospitals do not issue such certificates, -only the Hawaiian Dept of Vital Statistics issues them (to the person or parent of the person requesting a certified copy of a Hawaiian certificate)
    The certificate is what Hawaii creates to send out to requestors so they would NOT have an “original” on file since the copies they make are mailed out to the requestor.
    The “original” is not called a “Certificate of Live Birth”. Hospitals don’t issue them. What they issue are not called “Certificates”. Only the state issues certificates and the ones they issue now are digital concoctions cobbled together within a software program using data from their data base, NOT an image of the hospital record. Their manufactured “certificate” is therefore NOT a TRUE COPY but is instead a digital “ABSTRACT”. No abstract can be certified because certification is swearing that what is presented is an untouched, unaltered image of the original hospital record.

    But since Obama has no original hospital record, the charlatans in the Hawaiian government pretend that they have a certificate which doesn’t exist.until they create it. Liars and deceivers.

    • Welcome, arnash. You’re correct. We have such clever readers! 🙂

      Point number one is excellent BECAUSE they have “plausible deniability”. Since the Pentagon has been hacked, they can always, if caught, CLAIM that they were the victim of an anonymous hacker and so didn’t know that anything produced from their computer might be incorrect. Of course, Fukino (no longer employed there) did say she looked at the original records that are still there in a bound book; but did she say she looked at THOSE papers or just at the transcriptions on the computer? She can always parse and say she meant she looked on the computer and even if that’s not what she said, she can say she “misspoke.”

      Point number two: Excellent! I believe you’re right. Where do they say it’s a HAWAIIAN birth certificate? But they do say that the information on the WH LFCOLB copy (the info that Onaka reviewed) MATCHES records in their file. But did he “review” the place of birth? He specifically did NOT verify data elements on the second letter.

      Point number three: Correct, again. In the first letter, there’s wording about the certificate on file “indicating” that Barry was born in Honolulu. Indicating is a wishy washy word. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/docpage-hawaiiobamabirthverification1.jpg That “indicating” is connected to every item that follows in the list. He’s “verifying” that the birth certificate they have merely INDICATES that all those data items are supposedly true. But are they? He doesn’t say that. It sounds like all he’s saying is that this is what’s on it, it matches the stuff on the WH LFCOLB, and the “information” on the record is what he used (ALONE) to “verify” the facts of the event. Besides which, this first letter does NOT contain Onaka’s seal or his initials verifying his signature stamp, and it was NOT submitted as evidence to any court.

      I’m not sure if I understand fully the rest of your argument but I do know that historically, departments of health did create and store ORIGINAL birth certificates. Historically, when someone wanted a copy, they’d copy the original and then stamp and certify the copy with an embossed seal and mail that out. Then at some point, they put the originals on microfilm and so from that point on, when someone wanted a copy, they made a copy off the microfilm but that, too, was a direct copy of the IMAGE of the original records. Only sometime after 2000 did they start loading the data elements into a database and then producing these abstracts, which they do certify. But that’s one step removed and there’s the possibility for hacking and corruption of the database. Therefore, NO court or legal process should EVER accept an abstract. OR, if they do, it should be required that a person go and visually inspect the original and compare it to the abstract, data element by data element, for accuracy.

      butterdezillion (linked on the blog roll) has shown circumstantial evidence that the HDOH database has been corrupted. In fact, this is extremely simple for someone to do, given access to the database. As easy as it was for someone to “cauterize” Barry’s passport files of “embarrassing information.” Easy as pie for a corrupt person to do. And this administration has many corrupt minions.

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