Updated, again! Obama’s Parents Planned to Put Him Up for Adoption
© Miri WTPOTUS 2011 UPDATED Twice.
In an amazing turn of events, a reporter for Boston.com alleges that Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham discussed giving their baby up to the Salvation Army for adoption.
The elder Barack H. Obama, a sophomore at the University of Hawaii, had come under scrutiny by federal immigration officials who were concerned that he had more than one wife. When he was questioned by the school’s foreign student adviser, the 24-year-old Obama insisted that he had divorced his wife in his native Kenya. Although his new wife, Ann Dunham, was five months pregnant with their child – who would be called Barack Obama II – Obama declared that they intended to put their child up for adoption.
Subject got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ [Hawaiian for pregnant] and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away,’’ according to a memo describing the conversation with Obama written by Lyle H. Dahling, [sic: Dahlin] an administrator in the Honolulu office of what was then called the US Immigration and Naturalization Service. ….
Dahling’s [sic] memo, dated April 12, 1961, is one of dozens of documents in the elder Obama’s “alien’’ file released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request made in the course of research on a biography of Obama’s father. Obama was visiting the United States on a foreign student visa which required him to apply for an annual extension of his stay during the five years he was attending US colleges….
Robert L. Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, said at the time the document was released that President Obama had never been told that his mother had considered putting him up for adoption. Nor, Gibbs said, was Obama previously aware of the INS memo. Gibbs said that the White House had made no effort to determine if Dunham had ever had a conversation with the Salvation Army. The president, he added, “is absolutely convinced that she did not.”
This post will be updated on the fly. I wanted to get it out there asap for your comments. Read it all at the link (if you can. Suddenly, the site is asking for registration. Here’s a new link that should work. A hint: If you can’t read the second page, clear cookies and try again.)
Where exactly was this memo among the immigration files? Did anyone see it? Where was any news story about Robert Gibbs addressing the topic of Barry’s adoption? This is amazing.
Although they were married, Mr. Dahlin referred to Stanley Ann as “Ann Dunham” and “MISS Dunham”? Obama Sr. got his USC wife pregnant. So which USC wife would that be–the one who lived in Hawaii with her parents (allegedly Stanley Ann Dunham) or the USC wife who lived in the Philippines? Which wife was giving a child up for adoption? Could the adoptive mother perhaps be the wife in Hawaii, adopting the child of the wife in the Philippines, as we’ve sometimes speculated?
Sally Jacobs, the author of the article, claims that the couple (Subject Obama and [one of] his USC wives)
obviously, did not put their baby up for adoption.
Oh, no? That remains to be seen. It’s certainly not “obvious” to me. This reporter wrote an autobiography of Barack Hussein Obama (Senior), which is how the memo came to light. But where’s the memo among the previously published file? Because the White House (via Gibbs) learned of the memo, was it withheld by the DHS from other members of the public who requested the same “alien file”? The reporter appears to have given a heads up to the White House. Let the obfuscating begin. All in time for the 2012 election. Two books about Obama’s “parents”.
Previously on WTPOTUS: https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/were-bho-sr-s-immigration-files-doctored/comment-page-1/#comment-56930
Links to our prior source for these documents:
That’s been scrubbed! Try this.
Refer to page 39 below and also in the set of documents in the above link, which appears to be the April 12, 1961 memo from Dahlin [btw, some reporter and researcher to not have verified the man’s name!] In the version of the memo sent to Smathers, the crucial sentence about adoption (“Subject got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ [Hawaiian for pregnant] and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away”) may be exactly what’s been redacted. Did they redact Smathers’s version but not Jacobs’s?
Page 39 BHO Sr.’s Immigration File
UPDATE #2: 07/11/2011: For comparison, below is an image of the full signature of Mr. Lyle H. Dahlin, as it was in 1988.
Page 39 is difficult to read, so it is transcribed below.
MEMO FOR FILE
Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that Barack H. Obama, a student at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United States citizen from Seattle, Washington in Maui, Hawaii. The problem is that when he arrived in the U.S. the subject had a wife in Kenya.
The Subject was born on June 18, 1934 in Kisusu, Nyansa, Kenya, Africa and entered the U.S. at New York, N.Y. on August 9, 1959 as an F student. He has received extension of stay to August 8, 1961 and has received permission to accept employment up to 25 hours per week. He apparently is a bone fide student and Mrs. McCabe states that he is very intelligent.
Mrs. McCabe further states that Subject has been running around with several girls since he first arrived here and last summer she cautioned him about his playboy ways. Subject replied that he would “try” to stay away from the girls.
Subject told Mrs. McCabe that in Kenya all that is necessary to be divorced is to tell the wife that she is divorced and that constitutes a legal divorce. Subject claims to have been divorced from his wife in Kenya in this method.
Polygamy is not an excludable or [unreadable] or deportation charge as Subject is a non-immigrant and this is waived under 2?(d). If he were convicted of bigamy we might get a deportation charge but not before. Subject is a bone-fide student at present.
Recommend that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted –and denial be considered. If his USC wife tries to petition for him make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bone-fide of the marriage.
Lyle H. Dahlin
4-12-61 [Handwritten notation] Mr. Valla advised no action at present but to comply with last paragraph above. LD
Below is page 21 of BHO Sr.’s Immigration File, which mentions the wife in the Philippines:
Here’s a transcription of the hand-written part:
Alien called 4/29/64. Remembered that he worked during the summer of 1963 at Institute of International Marketing, 44-a Brattle Street, Cambridge, Mass. Said his exams are coming up in November 1964. Talked with Miss Frost of Harvard, & she said Harvard authorities think he may be married to someone in Cambridge also. Mr. Henry, Foreign Student advisor, Harvard said he would talk to subject after 5/04?9?/64 re his marital problems. that they had had financial problems with him. that he will call after his talk & let us know whether they want him back next year at Harvard. M. F. McKeon
Updated: July 8, 2011.
The story Jacobs wrote for Boston.com now contains a cropped image of the source for Jacobs’s contention about adoption:
Salvation Army adoption memo
h/t Papoose. This memo was not in that story yesterday, although there appear to be two different links. But WHY do they do these things habitually? WHY do they crop the image? How does that sentence REALLY read? Is it as Ms. Jacobs tells us or is it otherwise?
Could the USC wife and Miss Dunham be different individuals? The wife being the one giving the baby up to the adoptive mother, MISS Dunham? (Or perhaps not DunHAM at all, but Dun? or DAn?.)
Of course, the top of the memo speaks of his supposed marriage to Stanley Ann (Dunham, which we know from the Smathers version) of Washington state, but wasn’t she of Hawaii at that point?
Ms. Jacobs says that the memo reads, “got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dun…”
Might it really say, “got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ before they were married they do not live together and Miss D…”?
Or “got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ so they never were married they do not live together and Miss D…”
Punctuation is required but missing in all possible versions. Notice how Miss D, whoever she is, appears to be the subject of the rest of the sentence, about how she “is making arrangements” with the Salvation Army. But is that the correct transcription?
Does “is making arrangements” fit on that line? Doesn’t seem so to me. Might it say, “made arrangements?” In which case, it was a done deal?
So what did Miss D do with the Salvation Army? Although the story spins this as if it’s BHO’s doing, Miss D is the person making the arrangements to give the child up. Does this fit with the meme of Stanley Ann Dunham (Ann Obama or MRS. Obama) being a strong type who would not be coerced by anyone, but who would bravely keep her bi-racial child? Doesn’t sound like to me.
Miss D? Could this story at WND provide a clue? Their expert points out that the mother’s signature on Obama’s LFCOLB is in two layers: “(Stanley Ann) D” and “unham Obama”.
Jacobs explains in her story how in the US, in the 60s, interracial marriage was scandal and how a mixed race child would have a hard time getting on, even in Hawaii. Having children out of wedlock was a huge scandal in the ’60s and a prime reason to give a child up for adoption. Given those facts, how likely is it that US officials, BELIEVING that BHO Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham were married, would repeatedly refer to her in official correspondence as MISS Dunham? Why would they not refer to her as MRS. Obama? Or Stanley Ann Obama? Why MISS?
Upon request, a little background refresher on principal informant/obfuscator Susan Kay Botkin Blake:
Back to the beginning with one of the very first promoters of the official spin, Tim Jones
“Susan Blake, a classmate and former city councilwoman from Mercer Island who long ago changed the infant Barack’s messy diaper, said of her friend: ‘Hers was a mind in full tilt.’ …
Susan Blake said Stanley’s father was ‘always looking for a rise out of people,’ Blake said. ‘It seemed like every time her father opened his mouth, she would roll her eyes.'”
That story also introduces us to others of the main group of obfuscators: Maxine Hanson Box (who is the “Max” to whom that photo was addressed), Elaine Johnson (who, btw, is several years older than SADOS), Chip Wall, and John Hunt. Remember that all other of her “friends” were asked by the POTUS to NOT SPEAK, according to Joelle Hannum.
This link has a video featuring Blake with her yearbook, all copies of which were disappeared from the local library. http://seattlest.com/2008/01/30/obamas_mixed_an.php That article links to the Jones article and another, which is now at this link:
It lies, too. Says, “and Madelyn Dunham, who partly raised him, left El Dorado in 1955 when his mother Ann was 13.”
They left El Dorado long before 1955, iirc.
Susan Blake is also the person who was interviewed by phone (according to an old FR thread about “The African Colonial”). In the interview, which I believe was a video and was disappeared, she described baby Barry as “pink”.
This story says, “‘She had a really ironic sense of humor, sort of downbeat and she was a great observer,’ said Iona Stenhouse, of Seattle, a former classmate. ‘There was an arched eyebrow, or a smile on her face about the immaturity of us all. I felt at times that Stanley [wasn’t she “Ann”?] thought we were a bit of a provincial group.’… Dunham hadn’t had a boyfriend in high school, according to Maxine Box, her best friend at the time. So Box and others were stunned when Dunham wrote them to say she’d married the University of Hawaii’s first African student, a Kenyan named Barack Obama. [So she told Box his name but not Blake?] She gave birth to Barack Obama Jr. in August 1961. [Made sure to work that in.] ‘We could see Stanley, with her good grades and intelligence, going to college, but not marrying and having a baby right away,‘ said Box, a retired teacher in Bellevue. ‘I can’t think of anything she said or did that would lead to such a radical thing. [Now this flies in the face of the story others tell about what an iconoclast SADOS was. Hmm. Is Box saying Ann was a bigot, like everyone else? A “typical white person?”] At that time, you practically crossed the street if you saw a black man and a white woman. Black and white didn’t go together at that time.’
Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband’s plans to return to Kenya. [The Jacobs meme that must keep going and going and going. It was a “visit,” not a move. Where the hell did SADOS, she and husband being so broke, get the money to fly back and forth between Hawaii and Seattle with a newborn? Don’t think–BELIEVE.]
‘We all had June Cleaver as our role models, and she was blazing new trails for herself,’ said Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman. The marriage was brief. By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill. [A lie, which we now know. She was there in August, 1961.] But friends said she got overwhelmed and returned to her family in Hawaii[Note that these “friends” MUST exclude Blake, who says now she didn’t hear again from SADOS after the August “visit”], and formally divorced Obama Sr. in 1964.” http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html
Here’s another about Blake, also some of the other usual suspects: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2008/01/14/tidbits2.html
“Following it all closely is Susan Blake of Mercer Island, who went to Mercer Island High School with Obama’s mother Stanley Ann Dunham, and graduated with her close friend in 1960.[Note how they have to get that date in there.]
‘The day after we graduated, she (Stanley) and her mother were on an airplane to Hawaii, to join her father who had already found a home for them to live,’ says Blake.
Blake recalls keeping in touch by mail. ‘She said she was in love with an African exchange student from Kenya, and in spring wrote to say she was marrying him, (the senior) Barack Obama.[So now she DID tell Blake his name?] … One day, after ‘Barry’ was born, she came for an afternoon, (on her way from Hawaii to join her husband at Harvard.)’ [BUT he wasn’t AT HARVARD yet!] Blake remembers ‘the infant. He was sweet and pink and very new.‘ The two talked and cuddled the baby. ‘And I changed Barack Obama’s diapers.‘”
Whoops! That’s the one that mentions the “pink” story. At the time, that was REALLY unfortunate news–that “Ann” was in Seattle only 3 weeks after the birth, I mean!
An Uncle Charlie link especially for Bridgette because I know how much she loves Uncle Chuck: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8083967.stm
Thanks to WordPress and its new, annoying comment box, my comment got all screwed up. I hope I fixed it. If not, let me know.
Thanks for the refresher. Now I do remember her very well. I couldn’t place the name with her remarks. I have never seen a “pink” black baby unless she was referring to the bottom of his feet! So her claim to fame is “I changed his diapers!” Does her friendship mean that Susan is a Marxist/communist also or as they say a fellow traveler? Was she also interviewed by Jacobs …imagine the miles she traveled to talk to her!
That’s what I’m waiting to see: If Jacobs did her own interviews or simply cribbed from others’ work. From the similarity in language, I’d say she swiped, with attribution, perhaps. Of course, her own stories from 2008 provide fodder for this book. I remember saying at the time that “pink” certainly doesn’t describe a black baby, even if half white. Barry’s dark. He would not have been “pink” 3 weeks after birth.
Actually, Bridgette, many black babies are fairly light-skinned at birth, only later darkening. So, some “pinkness” is not that unusual.
“…He was sweet and pink and very new. His lips were as purple and as juicy as a pair of plums. The two talked and cuddled the baby tucking his ears down with a bungee cord …”
🙂 🙂 🙂
A hat trick, with a bungee cord!
Revealed: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services file listing ‘records relating to Barry Soetoro’
Birther Report ^ | July 11, 2011 | Birther Report
Monday, July 11, 2011 2:27:01 AM by RobinMasters
The Ken Allen FOIA response file now updated with a copy of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services DVD file listing “records relating to Barry Soetoro….” Do all the redacted pages in the FOIA response contain information about the living person named Barry Soetoro A.K.A. Barack Obama? And why would Barry Soetoro A.K.A. Barack Obama have immigration records?
The DVD was provided to Pixel Patriot by Ken Allen. You can view the original FOIA request related to the latest dump here.
Pixel Patriot: On the surface it would appear…
the list of contents inscribed on the FOIA DVD response #HQS2011000019 released by The U.S. Department of Homeland Security would be a bit trivial except for the realization that the implications of an illegal alien officially designated as and so named Barry Soetoro is Usurping the Presidency are astronomical, and consequently must not be ignored.
The name Barrack Hussein Obama II is merely a facade…although apropos for the treacherous and treasonous figure for whom even the presidential seal won’t stick. Another dark day for the Republic no matter how you try spin it.
Is there something new or is this just what we discussed yesterday? I haven’t had time to go through all 182 pages yet. Does something in this file refer to him AS Barry Soetoro? I still believe there’s more that hasn’t been released.
I have not reviewed the Scrib file yet, but the article seems to indicte that he is referred to as Barry Soetoro in this file somewhere.
I haven’t reviewed the whole thing yet, either. It appears we’ll have to spend quite a bit of time reading it all. They do like to assign us with “homework”. We’d better “eat our peas” and “pull off the band-aid” and get ‘er done!
Again, I think he misspoke. We’ll eat your peas and recycle the band-aid.
How does he get away with this crap? We’d better eat our peas.
Shove ’em up your nose, barky.
Mr. President! Give peas a chance.
Visualize Whirled Peas
I visualized and it ain’t pretty–pease porridge, in a pot, 9 days old.
Yes, but much to his own dismay, Lennon turned CONSERVATIVE in his latter days.
I did hear recently that Lennon was a “closet Reagan fan”… do we have any proof of that, or is it just hearsay?
I heard it on the radio and believe that I linked a story about it somewhere on the blog. I’ll try to find it.
Here’s the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009562/John-Lennon-closet-conservative-fan-Reagan.html
Guess he had his hair straightened as did she. This is the best do that I’ve seen on her!
Aren’t they two little peas in a Marxist pod!
You Say You Want A Revolution?
In reading the file, I didn’t count how many pages were redacted, but it was ridiculous. Instead of the information on the page, there is a sentence stating “Referred to US Department of State.” This is in both BHO and Soetoro files. What could possibly be on those immigration files of BHO that would implicate Junior in any way? He wasn’t a foreigner was he? Was he finally named as a son of BHO Sr.? Was he adopted by Lolo? These are questions that only the overseer of the file knows. Or perhaps the pages are being reconstructed for “accuracy” prior to being released. I wonder who the responsible party is that gets to decide what pages should be redacted.
Kathy, from your FR link above – comment # 21
Page 168 of 182
1973 Individual Income Tax Return, State of Hawaii.
EXEMPTIONS: Line 2: First names and ages of your dependent children, give address if they did not live with you.
Enter number of children named: 1
SAD Soetoro lost custody of BHO II in 1970 when he returned to Hawaii, alone. BHO’s II SSN application was filed by his case manager of the American Resettlement Organization located in Connecticut because they had legal custody of him throughout the 1970’s.
From their site –
American Resettlement Organization
An excerpt from the site:
“III. Refugee Resettlement in the U.S.
Being Matched with an American Resettlement Organization
Detailed information on all refugees approved for US resettlement is sent to the Refugee Data Center (RDC) in New York. RDC matches refugees with one of ten voluntary agencies that provide reception and placement services for refugees coming to the US.”
(link to list of agencies:http://www.refugees.org/article.aspx?id=1088)
oops! 404 Umm. where did it go?
I think its a old link Papoose. I got the link under comments from this FR post – http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2527092/posts
But look at this –
Lavinia Limon, is president and chief executive officer of the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants
I believe this is a old article –
Lavinia Limon Appointed Director HHS Office of Family Assistance
OFA is the federal agency that administers the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, the nation’s largest cash assistance program, and the Jobs Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS) program, which helps people on welfare become self- sufficient.
Ms. Limon has been active in domestic and overseas refugee and social services programs for over 18 years. A native of Los Angeles, Calif., Limon served as executive director of the International Institute of Los Angeles, a more than $7 million, community organization that assists immigrants, refugees, and the foreign-born in achieving economic and social self-sufficiency. Limon was director of the International Rescue Committee, Los Angeles, between 1983 and 1986; and worked with Church World Service in the mid-’70s. Since September 1993, Limon has served as the director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is also in ACF. She will continue serving as ORR director.
“With the same ingenuity, enthusiasm and compassion Lavinia brings to helping refugees rebuild their lives, her vision will restore confidence for both welfare workers and recipients,” said Mary Jo Bane, assistant secretary for children and families. “Her important contributions to the President’s Welfare Reform Work Group and ORR make Lavinia the right person at the right time to take on this new challenge.”
Ms. Limon is a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley.
State Department yanks International Institute of Connecticut contract
Posted by acorcoran on May 10, 2008
To the State Department spokesman who wants to know why Senator Dodd and others in the Connnecticut delegation have so quickly jumped to the defense of the Institute—it probably all goes back to the mothership. Likely Dodd has a cozy relationship with the IIC’s mothership, US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants and its president Lavinia Whoop-de-do Limon. This is how Washington works! She is an old Democratic insider (headed up the Office of Refugee Resettlement in the Clinton administration) who I am guessing jumped on the phone and got Dodd’s staff involved, who in turn then don’t have all the facts and don’t know what they are talking about.
Full text of “U.S. refugee programs for 1994 : annual refugee
Full text of “U.S. refugee programs for 1994 : annual refugeeconsultations : hearing before the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, One Hundred Third .
Thank you, Leza!
I’d read that theory before and it’s quite interesting. However, if Barry was living with and being supported by his grandparents, then maybe SADOS allowed them to claim the exemption. So Lolo was living and working in Hawaii in 1973? Have we heard that before? I thought SADOS and Maya came back to live in the US alone, after she broke up with Lolo. Wasn’t it said that she and Maya lived for a time with Barry in an apartment on Poki street? Where’s Barry? Lolo worked at VTN Pacific as a surveyor. A. G. Minvielle Jr.? What’s that? A school or someone’s name? Less than $700 in earnings. Lolo’s SS#: 575 52 3935
Lavinia Limón “is the President and Chief Executive Officer of the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants. USCRI is a non-sectarian organization that has served refugees and immigrants since 1910. Its 35 community-based partner agencies country-wide provide refugee resettlement, immigration counseling, and other services to newcomers. USCRI’s mission is to defend the rights of refugees, asylum seekers, and displaced persons worldwide.
“Prior to coming to USCRI in August of 2001, Lavinia Limón was Director of the Center for the New American Community, a project of the National Immigration Forum. During the Clinton Administration, Ms. Limón served as the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Department of Health and Human Services designing and implementing programs to assist newly arriving refugees in achieving economic and social self-sufficiency. She served simultaneously as the Director of the Office of Family Assistance for four years helping to devise policies and strategies for implementing national welfare reform.
“Ms. Limón has more than 25 years of experience working on behalf of immigrants and refugees. Beginning in 1975 when the first refugees from Southeast Asia were sent to Camp Pendleton, California, Ms. Limón has gained extensive knowledge of the domestic refugee resettlement process. She also worked in various capacities in overseas refugee camps located in Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Costa Rica and Saudi Arabia. In addition, as the Executive Director of the International Institute of Los Angeles for six years, Ms. Limón gained experience serving immigrant communities in such diverse programs as childcare, services to seniors, youth programs, and legal immigration services
WND has a story about yet another expert who calls the LFCOLB suspicious:
Here’s yet another proof of a Barry LIE. http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story
Barry had said in 2007 and 2008:
“I remember in the last month of her [his mother’s] life, she wasn’t thinking about how to get well, she wasn’t thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence. … She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn’t have to reimburse her for her medical bills.”
This article contradicts him:
“But now we’re learning the real story of Ann Dunham’s health coverage is not quite what her son made it out to be.
The news is in “A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,” a generally admiring new biography written by former New York Times reporter Janny Scott. According to the book, Ann Dunham, an anthropologist who spent most of her working life in Indonesia, moved from Jakarta to New York in 1992 to work for a nonprofit called Women’s World Banking, which encouraged micro-lending in Third World countries.
Unhappy in New York, in 1994 Dunham took a job with an American company called Development Alternatives, which had a contract with the Indonesian State Ministry for the Role of Women. Dunham returned to Jakarta to work, and Scott reports the job provided Dunham with health insurance, a housing allowance, and a car. …
In November 1994, Dunham went to an Indonesian doctor who diagnosed appendicitis. As Dunham debated whether to leave the country for surgery, she called her boss at Development Alternatives. ‘You’ve got health insurance, that’s taken care of,’ the boss told her. ‘We can cover the airfare [to the US].‘ …
In January 1995 she left Indonesia to go home to Honolulu, where she was diagnosed with advanced uterine and ovarian cancer. She began a regime of surgery and chemotherapy. …
Scott, who had access to Dunham’s correspondence from the time, reveals that Dunham unquestionably had health coverage. “Ann’s compensation for her job in Jakarta had included health insurance, which covered most of the costs of her medical treatment,” Scott writes. “Once she was back in Hawaii, the hospital billed her insurance company directly, leaving Ann to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses, which, she said, came to several hundred dollars a month. …
Dunham, who wanted to be compensated for those costs as well as for her living expenses, ‘filed a separate claim under her employer’s disability .’ It was that claim … that was denied. …
Dunham protested the decision and, Scott writes, ‘informed CIGNA that she was turning over the case to “my son and attorney, Barack Obama.”‘”
In the end, CIGNA still denied her claim FOR DISABILITY, not for medical expenses. He lied when he said she was denied health insurance for a preexisting condition. Now, one might argue that he got confused and wasn’t that up on the details of her case. Maybe just listened to her complaints over the phone, but not paying much attention, as many sons would.
HOWEVER, he wasn’t just any son. He was THE LAWYER handling her appeal of the denial of disability. SO as a lawyer, he should have been WELL AWARE of all the details. And he should have known whether or not he was fighting for health coverage or disability payments.
Liar, liar, pants on fire. One might compliment author Scott on telling this story, and yet, apparently she couldn’t resist TRYING to cover for Barry. She doesn’t say he lied, which he did. She implies he didn’t say enough and left a false impression:
“… the story Obama told, Scott writes, was ‘abbreviated’ — the abbreviation was to leave out the fact that Ann Dunham had health insurance that paid for her treatment. ‘Though he often suggested that she was denied health coverage because of a pre-existing condition,’ Scott writes, ‘it appears from her correspondence that she was only denied disability coverage.'”
Now NPR chimes in with their versions of the Story..
President Obama’s Father: A ‘Bold And Reckless Life’
July 11, 2011 Snips
…that the president’s father grew up in an extremely strict household. His father, Onyango, who later changed his name to Hussein, regularly beat his wives and children with a four-pronged whip. He also forced his children to recite long lists of memorized facts before their meals.
In 1959, Obama Sr. went to study at the University of Hawaii, Manoa, in Honolulu, where he stood out for his fastidious dressing habits, his forays into public
speaking and his fabulous dancing skills. “A woman who had known him in Hawaii told me of how she … would go down to some of the famous nightclubs with him and start to dance,” says Jacobs. “And everybody would watch because he was so beautiful on the floor — and also because he was a black man…”
Obama Sr. told Dunham that he had divorced Kezia Aoko, his wife in Africa, but that wasn’t true. [How does she know that?] He also did not reveal that he had had two children with Aoko, who, like Obama Sr., was a member of the Luo ethnic group.
“The thing you have to understand about this is that it was deeply rooted in Luo culture,” says Jacobs. “Divorce wasn’t common. You could get a divorce but you had to go through a very complex process which involved the couple sitting before a council of elders and then there had to be a return of the dowry.”
Obama Sr. returned to the U.S. in 1971 because his life was falling apart. A third wife was planning to leave him, he had no job and he had suffered massive injuries in a car accident. He spent a short amount of time with his son Barack Jr. in Hawaii and then returned to Kenya, where a second car crash cost him his legs. In 1982, Obama Sr. was in a third car accident and died from his injuries. [Anyone see his return to the USA in the FOIA fiiles? Perhaps he didn’t need a visa again if coming as a visitor.]
Excerpt: ‘The Other Barack’
by Sally H. Jacobs Snips
Reporters scoured the younger Obama’s background, and questions invariably arose about his namesake and the Kenyan family he had met on a handful of occasions.
Three years after his death some of his children and wives became embroiled in a legal brawl aimed at establishing exactly who his legitimate heirs were and to which of his “wives” had he actually been married.
The colorful legal drama, which went on for years, pitted the first wife against the fourth, the eldest son against the youngest, and generally divided the family into two warring camps. At the heart of the matter was a claim by Obama’s first wife, Grace Kezia Aoko Obama, that she had never divorced her husband and remained married to him at the time of his death. If that were true, then none of his subsequent three marriages—including the one with the president’s mother—would have been legitimate. A host of family members who took sides on the issue provided conflicting affidavits peppered with name-calling and insults.
Even Obama’s sixty-seven-year-old mother, frail and heartbroken over her first son’s death, weighed in and declared that Grace had long ago divorced her son.3 The Nairobi High Court judge considering the dizzying squabble apparently believed Obama’s mother: In 1989 Judge J. F. Shields ruled that not only had Grace divorced her husband but also that two of the four children she claimed he had fathered with her were not his sons at all.4
And that was just the first phase of the battle.
The name of Barack Hussein Obama II, the second son, crops up only incidentally in the bulging pink case files in Nairobi’s High Court. No one in the case ever challenged the legitimacy of his paternity.
But in July 1997 Barack Hussein Obama of Chicago, Illinois, deftly extracted himself from the matter with a brief letter to the court disavowing any claim he might have on the estate, which was worth about 410,500 Kenyan shillings, or $57,500, at the time his father died.
He wrote the letter six months after he was sworn in to serve his first term in the Illinois Senate representing the 13th district.
Nearly a decade earlier, in the summer of 1988, Obama had launched his own effort to uncover the father about whom he had often wondered.
At the time, his father had been dead for six years and he had just completed work as a community organizer in Chicago and was preparing to enter Harvard Law School. During a five-week visit to Kenya, Obama met many members of his sprawling clan for the first time and listened to their stories of his father’s political frustrations and domestic travails.
This is insane. We can’t keep up with the changes they keep on ringing. Now he had FOUR wives? Wasn’t it said he hadn’t yet married the fourth (I assume Jael) when he died? OR do they know about the wife in the Philippines but ain’t sayin’? If Jael were the fourth wife, then George would be the youngest son. Correct? But if Jael weren’t the fourth wife, then there’s another yet to be named.
The dispute started in 1985? Would this be around the time that Barry admitted that Ruth had all the proof needed that Mark was BHO Sr.’s son, ALONE among all the wives? Why had Barry no proof? He had Bill Ayers write in his fictional autobiography that there was no proof of his own paternity.
The eldest son would be Malik Roy Abongo. Who’s the youngest? THAT would be David Opiyo, I assume. Or would it? There are so many sons I can’t keep track.
Sounds as if the court accepted that those younger ones of Kezia’s weren’t BHO Sr.’s. But in 1985, David was still alive, right? For a short while.
Barry would have been 24. We’ve seen photos of a very young-looking Barry in Kenya with Granny Sarah. Especially the one where he’s carrying that sack for her. Now of course, they have always tried to tell us that Barry wasn’t in Kenya until the LATE 80s, although he has Bill Ayers tell that long story about when he and Auma visited Ruth at her tony house in Nairobi, where Mark and he had words about the “old man”. We’re still trying to pin down when Barry FIRST visited Kenya.
Only a US attorney could tell us whether or not SADOS’s marriage to BHO Sr. (if real) is legitimate under US laws. Would he be a bigamist under our laws if he hadn’t yet divorced Kezia by 1961? I notice that Jacobs says only that the judge ruled they divorced “long ago.” How long ago? Of course, under Kenyan law, if he divorced both Kezia and Ann BEFORE he married Ruth (did he?) then Mark and David would be legitimate.
Why doesn’t she give us the context within which “Barack Hussein Obama II (she SAYS the “second son”) crops up only incidentally?” So nobody EVER challenged HIS legitimacy?
Maybe because there was nothing to challenge because either that person WASN’T the person WE KNOW as Barack Hussein Obama II (being deceased?) OR it was already known that BHO Sr. wasn’t Barry’s father. Maybe because they already knew the circumstances under which he “passed through” Sarah’s hands as an ORPHAN.
A son named after his father would be called JUNIOR. A man named after some OTHER relative or ancestor, would be called the Second, if he was the second person with that name.
I wonder if Jacobs publishes this deft letter Barry wrote to the court in Kenya?
This story from 2004 reports that Barry was in Kenya in 1983, the year after the death of his “father”:
AGAIN, note that it’s from 2004, before anybody thought it necessary to rewrite the history of Barry in Africa. What passport did he travel on, one wonders?
“The Sunday Nation team that set out to trace Obama’s roots was surprised to find that, unknown to many, Obama has actually been to this village twice. First in 1983, when he had come to mourn his late father, Barack Hussein Obama, who had died in Nairobi in 1982; and again in 1995 when he brought home his young bride to show her his roots.
During both visits, the villagers paid little or no attention to him”
This story from Jan. 2008 quotes KEZIA saying that Barry visited Kenya in 1985, which puts it right around the time David supposedly died and the controversy over the father’s estate began:
“‘The first time I met Barack Jr was when he came to Kenya in 1985,’ she said in an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday last year. “He was so much like his father, his looks, his voice, everything. It was like seeing my husband all over again.
‘Even the people at the airport who had seen Barack Jnr arrive off his flight said: ‘Barack is back … we heard him, we saw him.’ It was hard.
‘Barack Jr was really happy to meet us. He was really eager to see the family home and to see where his father was buried. …
‘I’m very proud that he wants to include us in his life. As a family, we are very friendly, very close.
‘The family are still very important to him. That would make Barack Sr very happy.
‘We have seen each other many times since that first visit, in the US, in Kenya and in England. I was very fond of Barack Jr’s mother, Ann.
‘She came to Kenya after Barack Snr died and she and I became great friends. She was like a sister to me.'”
Ok. Can anybody point me to where we saw that Ruth worked for The Nation newspaper in Kenya? I know I saw it and now I can’t find it.
Second: Does anybody else wonder if the redacted line at the top of page 21 of the INS records for BHO Sr. might name the wife in the Philippines? The woman he’s “having trouble with?” Someone who has “since left the US?” Going to the Philippines would count as leaving the US. This was April 1964 and Harvard said they thought he might be married to someone in Cambridge. Now how could this be Ann? How could this be Ruth, if he didn’t meet Ruth until June 1964 (according to the Jacobs bio)?
Re: Second that bugs me, too. I think it takes up about 36 spaces, which is tough to figure taking into consideration they x out misspelled words.
Does the redaction mean that the person named is or was still living at the time of redaction?
Oh Man, Miri anybody, do you guys really know who this Sally H. Jacobs is? This is all more BULL and she’s good too, good that is ,at jerking our chain, throwing us further from the truth. As everyone knows Ruth, the recluse needed some deflection so no one ever knows who she is. Well ain’t this nice, now we got it, only trouble is her stories ,just like the rest ,come with new flaws . Please see if you can find out who Sally Jo H. Jacobs is. I’ve got a hunch but til I can prove it it would be a rush to judgement. I am going to do everything I can to look back at my old notes. There is something here if you can follow the life of Sally . I really think so. I’ll tell ya when I do my own research.
Also someone asked who or what was A.E. Minvielle in Honolulu. That was Albert E. Minvielle . He and an address was listed on Lolo’s tax return as an employer of Lolo. He died in 1992 ,age 88 . Doubt it is of much importance but someone asked the question somewhere.
alfy, wouldn’t surprise me if she’s a friend or relative of Ruth Beatrice. She’s in Boston, but she’s been in other towns all around that area of Massachusetts. I didn’t go much into her background, though. She’s 54.
I saw her on O’Reilly. She does, in a way, resemble Ruth. She seemed to lisp a little. O’Reilly was pretty hard on her, trying to get her to condemn BHO Sr. for his ways. She was an apologist for him, the usual cultural relativity crap. She’s not there to be “judgmental”, I think she said. She just wrote it for the facts. Riiiiigggghhhht.
O’Reilly did SUDDENLY do an about face and state that BHO Sr. spent very little time with Barry, but he said “HE LEFT” them when Barry was a baby. Uh, I’d consider the mother moving to the mainland with the baby only weeks after his birth to be HER leaving HIM. O’Reilly blamed BHO Sr. for abandoning them. For having a child and not being involved in his life.
Well, since nobody knows the entire TRUTH, how can anybody blame him to the exclusion of SADOS? Although we do know BHO Sr. was leaving kids all over the world like a drunken sailor. A woman in every port, so to speak.
No questions from O’Reilly about why her book deviates so much from Barry’s book. Or why, after telling us the lie that Barry was born in Hawaii and lived with his father and mother there for two years, he suddenly changes his tune without asking about the discrepancy or explaining why HE misled “the folks”. Doesn’t he do ANY research independent of what Barry’s peeps tell him?
It’s already being set up by complicit asshats like O’Reilly that Barry, poor widdle baby, didn’t know any of this. He “was told” his father was a “great man”. So he idolized a fantasy. NOPE.
He knew all along and has known all along what a jerk his “father” was. Why else HIDE everything that would be documentary evidence of the TRUTH, instead of Bill Ayers’s lies?
I’m beginning to wonder if Barry himself might have been one of the relatives who lived in the servants quarters at Ruth’s manse. If he were an orphan, he might have passed through Granny Sarah’s hands to end up there, with BHO Sr. and Ruth. They did seem to collect wayward children and relatives, at least according to Jacobs. (Actually, I’m wondering whether Ruth gave birth to any of these kids.)
Thanks for the info about Albert Minvielle. Just wondered who he was, if he had a company by that name, why Lolo worked for him, and what Lolo did for his almost $700 that year.
Nevermind. Found the reference to The Nation:
“In their first few months together Obama and Ruth lived much as they had in Cambridge. Ruth got a job as a secretary at the Nation newspaper while Obama applied his new econometric skills to the job at Shell.”
Soooo, the book is out today..is anyone reading it yet?
SEO, I’ve been reading what is previewed on Google books. At the bookstore, I’ll check it out, but I ain’t buying it (with money or with common sense). If it shows up on the $1 table, it might be worth it; better yet, 25 cents at a garage sale. We already saw Barry’s books for a buck! What a shame. That’s the Obamaconomy for you. Surely the libraries will have it, so I might go check it out there, notepad in hand! Full of lies. I saw that woman on O’Reilly last night. Hilarious. He called BHO Sr. a “sociopath”. Well, acorns and all that!
For all that, in 1981, he married a young Luo woman—apparently the women still liked this man—and in the summer of 1982, Kezia, the last of his wives, gave birth to George, the last of his sons. A few months later, Obama was dead in a car accident. He had set off home at the wheel after an evening spent drinking in a downtown bar in Nairobi and driven off the road into a tree.
“Wat en wat” (what-ev-er)
no, supposedly the last of his would be wives was Jael otieno who left george , took off with a french guy; went somewhere with him on business for a while and supposedly in Atlanta. She also supposedly sends him money…right….yeah. the last kid (I think this is george) is born supposedly after obama Sr. dies. I did find Jael Otieno once as a signer to a petition for Kibaki to step down; signed by thousands after his disputed election. she was not in Kenya when she signed it. Seems if I recall , she was in Indianna. I later find her in Georgia.These stories are becoming so convoluted and coming with such speed , we could spend a lifetime sifting through the garbage for the truth. Now that Ruth has been christened with a new last name again ,lets see how many stories now identify her that way and who verifies the story. I can’t find Sally Jacobs with the Boston Globe. Has anyoe else? So supporting that she would identify a new friend of Ruth’s as the Jewish Judy Epstein. How perfectly convenient. The zionesta.
I know the 4th wife is said to be a woman named Jael, The reference above is from page 2 of the NYT review on a book written by Peter Fisrtbrook It is probably a typo…
Sally Jacobs was on O’Reilly tonight. He said the father is deplorable and called him a sociopath. He questioned the woman as to why would the “president” write a book about him.
I have been wondering for days now if Ruth is a friend of the author, being from Boston, as starters.
I know papoose, I am curious as well if she’s not an old friend of the so called Ruth,and I am certain Ruth has had many false identities. That someone called on an old friend to help shape up her persona. I wish I had seen Ms Jacobs on O’Reilly. Notice again, too, how the dead guy(O.sr.) gets to be used for what ever purposes the authors(Mark,George, Obama,and all journalists that don’t even know this guy) choose to create a story. Yeah, A STORY, as in Lies.
Alfy, Here is the interview.
Thanks, alfy. I thought that George was Jael’s kid. Otieno? Isn’t that some other Obama’s name, too? So the argument was between first wife Kezia and fourth wife Jael; first son Malik Abongo (he would, the greedy … ) and last son George. So are we to assume that Jael also had no birth certificate for George, since they say Ruth’s the only one who had the papers to prove MARK’S paternity?
Man. I’m getting mixed up. I can’t keep track of all his wives and kids. It’s no wonder he couldn’t, either! Was Kezia George’s mom? For some reason, I thought it was Jael.
Oh, I like that photo in the story you linked, Papoose. My personal favorite of all the photoshopped photos: Barry’s head pasted at a crooked angle on somebody else’s body. An OLDER Barry head on a younger body. Is that’s his body, then that’s why they photoshopped his older head on there–to make it appear he was in Africa in 1988 and not in 1983, as Kezia and others say.
Papoose, that book review link is a gold mine for the O Timeline. Thanks. There’s one paragraph that stands out:
“Learning what President Obama’s father was like hardly makes one feel that our president would have been better off if Barack Obama Sr. had stuck around. Indeed, the son’s isolation from his father and grandfather—and his immersion in his mother’s happier and much more helpful family—must be part of what explains the contrasts between his persona and theirs. He is inclined to caution and self-restraint; they tended to be impulsive. He is slow to anger; they ignited like flash paper. They were men who desired many women and honored none; the President’s marriage seems a model of love and respect. What the three generations of Obama men have in common is intelligence, charm, ambition, and pride. But no doubt his Dunham ancestors could lay claim to those traits, too.”
Now isn’t this strange that Jacobs writes nearly the same stuff? These so-called journalists love to throw around plagiarism charges, but check it out. Can they have an original thought? It’s almost AS IF somebody handed them the talking points and all they did was paraphrase them for public consumption. Gag me. He’s EXACTLY like his father. If it’s his father. O’Reilly’s correct on the sociopath part.
thankyou Kathy, How old would you say ms. Jacobs is? I want to know when exactly she interviewed Mrs. Ruth B.Nides,Nidesand, Obama,Ndesandjo,Baker???Did she go to Kenya, or was it a telephone interview or just emails or what????
If this is her from people search, she is 54.
Sally H Jacobs
Sarah H Jacobs
Regarding barky’s lie about his mama’s health insurance denial and Janney Scott’s clarification:
Ms. Scott took a leave from her job as a reporter for The New York Times to write the book and has not returned to the staff.
whoops! winning as in they’re winning… I confused the authors…. Janney Scott wrote the illustrious book on the woman who most represents an American woman’s pioneering spirit…. you know, Stanley the bearded lady who was the greatest person to ever exemplify the American Dream.
The NY Times reported that?!!! Amazing.
“The White House on Wednesday declined to challenge an account in a new book that suggests that President Obama, in his campaign to overhaul American health care, mischaracterized a central anecdote about his mother’s deathbed dispute with her insurance company.”
Declined to challenge the truth, for a change! I love it. At least they’re calling him on his lies. Oh, wait. His “abbreviated” version of the “truth”.
Check out the NEWEST photoshopped Ann pic.
Here’s another great quote:
“On Wednesday, in response to repeated requests for comment that The Times first made in mid-June, shortly after the book’s release, a White House spokesman chose not to dispute either Ms. Scott’s account or Mr. Obama’s memory, while arguing that Mr. Obama’s broader point remained salient.
‘We have not reviewed the letters or other material on which the author bases her account,’ said Nicholas Papas, the spokesman. ‘The president has told this story based on his recollection of events that took place more than 15 years ago.'”
Just like Sgt. Schultz, he knows “Nuthink!” Barry makes sure he never knows anything. He hasn’t seen the adoption memo. He hasn’t HELD or LOOKED AT the LFCOLB his peeps released. He hasn’t seen these letters Ms. Scott reviewed. He doesn’t want to know the truth but he goes out of his way to hide the truth. He can’t handle the truth, nor can his supporters. Plausible deniability.
This is so like Bill Clinton remembering church bombings in Arkansas. Except there weren’t any. They learned long ago that factchecking never applies to Democrats or progressives. It’s a wonder anybody from the NY Times asked them about this. It’s a distraction, I’m sure. Barry has more important things on his plate. Like peas.
It’s the parable that matters, not the facts, not when we’re dealing with a messiah.
I can’t stop. Another quote from the story:
“Mr. Papas suggested that even if Ms. Scott was correct, Mr. Obama had not mischaracterized the facts because his mother needed her disability insurance payments to cover unreimbursed medical costs.
“As Ms. Scott’s account makes clear, the president’s mother incurred several hundred dollars in monthly uncovered medical expenses that she was relying on insurance to pay,” Mr. Papas said. “She first could not get a response from the insurance company, then was refused coverage. This personal history of the president’s speaks powerfully to the impact of pre-existing condition limits on insurance protection from health care costs.”
Disability insurance, which primarily replaces wages lost to illness, was never at issue in the legislative debate over the Affordable Care Act.
Ms. Scott said in an interview that her reporting relied on copies of letters from Ms. Dunham to Cigna that were made available by friends.”
The woman had a HIGH-PAYING job with health coverage and we’re supposed to believe that she had NO cushion. No savings. No sick leave? Such a heartless employer–cut her right off, immediately? What about U.S. government disability? Why couldn’t she get that? Welfare. She was supposedly on food stamps before, so she knew the ropes. But this is bullcrap. Who doesn’t have to pay deductibles and uncovered expenses, like phone bills in the hospital? I guess she wanted CIGNA to cover the long-distance calls to Barry, her lawyer in Chicago.
HOW exactly did her “friends” get copies of her letters back and forth to her insurance company? I cry bullcrap on that one, too. h/t Bridgette! They got these health records, I bet, from the insurance company or somewhere else that released them to the reporter, but they don’t want to admit that because then other reporters, not so sympathetic, will be asking for copies, too.
Miri..now we have to log in to read the article. Here is the photo. Looks like she had a neck job! Or else she is half white and half a darker color. Her face is white and her neck…well
We’ll have to check the footnotes in the back of her book, when somebody has a chance. Most aren’t on the Google book preview yet. Did she use old interviews by others, phone interviews, actual visit with “Ruth”, or what?
And I’m curious if the name “nidesand” is mentioned anywhere in the book? If not, that would be odd, not to mention bad journalism, since that name has been attached to her for as long as she’s been a “story”, right?
According to the search on Google of the Jacob book…No Nidesand. But there is Ndesandjo. It appears Jacobs did interview Ruth and Mark..how we don’t know whether in person or by phone. Interestingly, she quotes from Auma’s book that is written in German. I didn’t know that it was translated to English.
Page 259 From Ruth Ndesandjo, Ezra Obama, and WE Obama Kobilo interviews 6….From Mark Ndesandjo interview. 13. Mark Ndesandjo, Nairobi to Shenzhen (San Diego:
Page 8 ..and at the end of 2009 he wrote an autobiograpical novel called Nairobi to Shenzhen: A Novel of Love in the East under the name Mark Okoth Obama Ndesandjo.
….June 2010 Mooney, Esther, October 2010 Murashinge, Juditha Clark;November. 2009 Muriuki, Godfrey; April 2009 Ndesandjo, Mark; November 2009 Njiiri, Ruth...
From Ruth Ndesandjo interview, April 7, 2010. 37. Barack H. Obama Curriculum Vitae. Contained in Obama’s personnel file, held by the Kenyan Ministry of …
From Ruth Ndesandjo interview (February 2010). 3. B. Obama, Dreams from My Father, 65. 4. Ibid, 66. 5. Ibid., 68. 6. Auma Obama, Das Leben kommt immer..
Page 271 8. From Ruth Ndesandjo interview (April..
Interesting. She just puts “from Ruth Ndesandjo…interview.” No date or time. No location of interview. No NAME of INTERVIEWER, just implication that it was Jacobs. But was it? Did you see what nugget of information caused that fifth citation? That BHO Sr. always carried around that photo of little toddler Barry on his trike. That all three of them told her that makes me cry, “B.S. on that one!”
gosh darn, I thought maybe we’d get a new never seen photo of obama Sr. holding his little newborn, hugging his faithful wife stanley, or dancing Ruth’s feet off. Shucks, we get the same crap, little Barry on his brand new gift of a trike in his brand new immaculate play clothes and hat. Sure looks like a kid destined for his kenyan roots doesn’t he.
I don’t get the third one..”November 2009 Njiiri, Ruth…” and wonder if there is a Ruth Njiiiri? Or perhaps it says Njiiri, Ruth interview.
Njiiri, the son of a senior Kikuyu chief who had his pick of jobs on his return in 1959, became chief assistant.
Bridgett, where is the information on Ruth Baker? Remember Ruth tells us she is from Lithuanian heretiage. Baker, first of all is English. The russian version of Baker was something lik Berker . Many people that came from Russia that changed their name legally to Baker had names nothing like Baker. They were Cohens and other Prowensky type names. I don’t think Ruth ever was a Baker. I think this is just to throw us off from Ruth’s identity. Remember Ruth says she was of Lithuanian parents, NIDES is Lithuanian and . Here’s a hint of the other part of her name “JOCIUS of London”.
You may think, what the heck is this, but I just gave you something I have been holding since 2007, and it is complicated and it is good stuff. I wish I could say more but for now that’s enough.
Kaplan is the Russian name for Baker. I am looking into it already. I didn’t look for a Lithuanian translation. I was looking at census records for the information. The listed Lithuanians do not match other information in census records.
So what is it that you are holding on to? If you don’t want to share it put it in the contact us box, instead of teasing.
Baker is also Boecher. It is pronounced Baker, but spelled Boecher.
Okoth, meaning born when it is raining……I’ve come across right many Okoth names looking around in places like old Kenyan Gazzette.
And Now Mrs.Ndesandjo spells her name Ndesanjo without the d… I went back and checked out the magazine that Ruth is a sometimes editor of Family Health Digest . I just checked back through the whole thing to see if the spelling of her last name was consistantly spelled that way. This was 2010. The magazine comes out quarterly and I can’t seem to get anymore of them. Anyway now she spells Ndesandjo (which has been the spelling since the beginning) with out the D. Hmmmmm……. You can also find the family members, Mark and Joseph with different spellings when you do searches for them. From Depanto,Ndesando and so on. Perhaps Ruth decided to take out a letter so we couldn’t tell how she derived at her last name….Like I said Before It is Nides-and-jo without the ‘i’.
A WND story about yet another computer expert, this time a programmer, who demonstrates how they used the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates to create Barry’s LFCOLB. It’s pretty convincing, for anybody who hasn’t swallowed the Kool Aid.
Here is an essay that incorporates information from many of the biographies of the Obama family that we’ve been discussing:
“Nevertheless, because fully to know where anyone is going requires grasping whence he comes, let us open ourselves to wonder how, minus miracles, a 10-year-old boy without obvious talent who had lived in Indonesia since age six ends up with an eight-year scholarship to Hawaii’s most exclusive school; a scholarship to Occidental College; a transfer into Columbia University; acceptance into Harvard Law School, and editorship of its law review; and how he goes from job to prestigious job without apparently mastering any of the previous ones. No wonder some of Barack Obama’s supporters treat him as if he were anointed by an extraterrestrial power.”
“Self-styled investigative journalist Wayne Madsen reports that Madelyn Dunham, the mother of Barack’s mother, Ann Dunham, who became vice president of the Bank of Hawaii soon after her arrival there, was in charge of escrow accounts. Madsen’s credibility is certainly checkered. But if he is correct about which department she headed, Madelyn Dunham must have supervised the accounts that the U.S. government used to funnel money to its “gray” and “black” activities throughout Asia. Among the conduits of the CIA money through these accounts to secret CIA proprietaries was a company—Bishop, Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham & Wong—some of whose officers were serving CIA officers. This is a company whose 1983 IRS audit the CIA stopped. Vice President Madelyn Dunham, in charge of these very matters and hence necessarily “witting” (as they say at Langley), would have had to be more than a small cog in the machine. People do not rise to such stations from one day to the next.”
Miri, that was an awsome essay by professor Angelo M. Codevilla. He really captures so much about Obama and the left empty suit that he wears. It has been from this perspective (certainly not able to express it as well as this guy) that I have tried to figure who really created Obama. If Obama hadn’t been schooled fairly closely all along with all these leftist machinations ,I can’t imagine him making it on his own can you.
This was a good article.
More for the Ruth Beatrice Baker family tree:
Her father Maurice Joseph Baker (born 1909); mother Ida Ethel Baker (maiden name unknown, born 1908). Maurice’s father Louis Baker (51 in 1920); Maurices’s mother Bertha Baker (maiden name unknown; 45 in 1920). In 1920, Louis said the family spoke Yiddish and came from Volina, Russia, arriving in 1912. Maurice was born in Russia. Neither of Ruth’s parents (Maurice or Ida) were citizens of the USA until they naturalized on August 31, 1942, five years after Ruth’s birth. (Hey! What about that? Ruth’s not a NBC, either!) They lived in Malden, as the Jacobs book says. Maurice’s older siblings, Ruth’s aunts and uncles, were David J., Abraham, Esther, and Samuel.
Sorry, but I must be missing something. Where do we get Ruth Beatrice Baker’s family tree? Is this from searching her geneology or from Ruth, herself, or the Jacobs lady? Also if Ruth had given her name as Baker to the author Jacobs and said she came from Russia, she would have certainly known her own Russian roots and real last name, which would not have been Baker (and English sirname). This doesn’t fly. Kathy or someone here said the Russian name for Baker was Boecher. If Ruth knew her own russian affiliation she would have given us that name. This story just simply isn’t true.
The only information that Jacobs gave was the name of the father and mother. The information came from searching the genealogy.
More from that Claremont essay:
“Yet Ann’s second child was born in a marriage to another such person at the East-West Center. The Indonesian government had sent Lolo Soetoro to the East-West Center as a “civilian employee of the Army.” But when the shooting started, Soetoro went on active duty, it seems as a colonel. This was arguably the CIA’s most significant covert operation, the replacement (between 1965 and 1967) of Indonesia’s dictator Sukarno with the Suharto regime that lasted until 1999. Few people on the face of the earth did not realize how important a struggle this was. Suggesting as does A Singular Woman that a very intelligent, very married Ann Soetoro was innocent of and indifferent to the political implications of the struggle she was involved in is incredible.”
“Another of Ann’s employers, the Ford Foundation’s international affairs division, was led by Stephen Cohen, who had come to Ford from the directorship of the International Association of Cultural Freedom, previously known as the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), which organized countless left-leaning American academics into a corps (lavishly financed by the CIA) to promote social democracy around the world, and to staff many of the councils on foreign relations that spread around America in the 1950s. Among the participants were countless actual and future college presidents, including Richard C. Gilman, who ran Occidental when young Barack Obama enrolled there in 1979. In those years, any number of companies were CIA fronts, including Business International Corporation, which gave young Obama his first job after graduation from college. Perhaps these are only coicidences.”
yes , the Stephen Cohen guy, also I believe another ambassador from Indo became Pres. at U. HI. Don’t remember right now. Anyway, you noticed from the Claremont article the same things that struck me. He does well in this area to put things in a better perspective for me,I’d say he added to my already assumptions after trying to follow the links between Ford, their funding(as well as Rockefeller Found.)for East West Center. The Government gave initially $600,000. along with other funding such as Ford, for the East West Center. When Obama Sr. arrived the East West Center did not exist(at least not officially).It started in 1960 and most stories say Obama was not part of it,but hung out with students from the E/W center. I wonder how true this is as well.
…..You also noticed what the essay says on lolo and I feel there has been slight evidence of him being either closely tied with the CIA and Suharto very early. Maybe the Hawaiian senator(what’s his name) who was part of the immigration and Justice Department knew all along or was informed.
I am sorry if my last post isn’t clear. I couldn’t edit it at all and couldn’t even finish. It’s probably scrambled…..but I wanted to say …..in those papers of LoLo’s in one of his letters he makes it very clear where he stands, that he is worried about the Communist faction in the Gov. just like the CIA.Then he mentions the animosity towards the west. I thought then ,he was making his case whose side he was on .
“In short, the New Left saw America as a cancer upon the globe and themselves as the surgeons. It is impossible to overstate the importance of this attitude.
Not all government-sponsored leftists adopted this attitude about America. Already in 1962, before the Vietnam War, Michael Harrington felt conscience—bound to lead people who called themselves “Democratic Socialists of America” out of SDS, NSA, and other organizations that had become thoroughly anti-American. By the mid-1960s these organizations, into which CIA had poured so much money, which it had sustained so energetically with its network of influence, had come entirely into the hands of upscale activists like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who called themselves “Weathermen.” These children of Meyer’s rich, well-connected friends worked to defeat America in the Vietnam War, planted terrorist bombs, and murdered police. Other CIA-funded organizations underwent similar radicalization and internecine splits. In 1967, Ramparts magazine’s revelation of many leftist groups’ dependence on CIA caused the U.S. government to shift its funding of such organizations or their leaders to other agencies—primarily those waging the so-called “war on poverty.” By the 1970s, the people whom CIA had endowed with money and prominence in American domestic life as part of its covert action abroad were grinding their ideological distinctions against one another while engaging in “community organizing” here in America.
These factions and organizations, personifying leftisms of varying virulence, bid for recruits. Young Barry Obama was one of those who affiliated pretty much with the leftward-most among them.”
I am glad you posted more of it. This writer has captured this so well and tied it together impeccably. Just makes me want to thank him. Makes me want to find O’s sperm donars all that much more and expose them. This would be only the beginning of shining a light on the sad ,scarey situation this country is in, but maybe it would help others wake up .
Somebody at Free Republic pinged me to that article. It’s pretty amazing, isn’t it? And here we wondered if we have been onto something for the past 3 years. Seems so! I hope this essay gets read widely, but I’m unfamiliar with the Claremont organization. This guy did a good job of tying up all the loose ends. I’m not as well versed in history as he seems to be. Certainly not Indonesian history. I’ve tried to figure that out for a while and still makes little sense who was on whose side. Years ago, I saw that move “The Year of Living Dangerously”. I didn’t really understand it then and I still don’t. It took me about 14 viewings of “Apocalypse Now” to figure out its point!
http://www.claremont.org/about/ look around on the sidelines and elsewhere ,there is some new work on the foundations of constitutionality of citiezenship by three authors together. Haven’t read it but I will. I’m glad you found this. I’m saving them for future reading material. Thanks. I think it’s in Claremont ,california. I though it had to do with Claremont college or Claremont U.?????Don’t think it’s affiliated .
I tried to post about this but I don’t know where it went. There is in there somewhere three men who have put together work on the foundations of the constitutionality of citizenship. I may be repeating myself, but I can’t find what I posted.
Blast from the past and proof that the aunt said that Ann died in 1970.
I am reminded that we should research Salvation Army hospitals and homes for unwed mothers, as they were in 1961. It keeps slipping my mind.
That date is compared to the timeline date of November 7, 1995 Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro dies in Honolulu, Hawaii. But what else happened in 1970? On “August 15, 1970 Maya Kassandra Soetoro was born to SADOS and Lolo of the many surnames.” So Ginger could be right, and Ann may have died in childbirth, and after that is all a ruse.
That would certainly change all of the information about Lolo and that marriage etc., and would eliminate BHO Sr. going to Hawaii when Jr. was 10 in 1971.
“Goeldner said her sister-in-law actually raised Barrack Obama, or Barry as they called him, when he was young, after his mother died in 1970.”
Goeldner’s sister-in-law was Madelyn Dunham. Note the two r’s in Barrack! When he was young. After his mother died in 1970. Now Maya was born in 1970. Then the story goes, Ann suddenly divorced Lolo and sent Barry back to Hawaii, where SUDDENLY BHO Sr. reappears. To give up any claims to the child, so his grandparents can legally adopt him? So many discrepancies. So much that makes absolutely no sense.
Another quote from the same story that would seem to rule out an explanation that the aunt or the reporter got mixed up over the date that her father died, also 1970.
“When Ann died at an early age, it was Virginia’s brother and sister-in-law who raised the future president.”
There is somthing in all these stories that gives me the creeps . When we saw these stories before, by the way, it changed the whole scenerio. But the creepy little sidenote has nothing to do with Ann (or does it).It is that Ralph worked at the Pentagon and her husband worked for the Ubiquitous BOEING. Do you know how many times Boeing is in these stories somehow? I haven’t counted. But I don’t understand and I find it connected to the oddest things. Like GLenn Becks grandpa he always fondly spoke of worked for Boeing or his father did. Remember that Beck’s mother died mysteriously on a Lake with some man who I think drowned as well (is that right?) The big Boeing manufacturing headquarters is in Washington State. Rememer me trying to tell the story of the Christopher Chitchester Erhardt….that impersonated Rockefeller’s disappeared son. He marry’s a Sandra Boss who had clients with Boeing. Sandra Boss’s father was a Ceo with Boeing. This Rockefeller impersonater prior to marrying Sandra(who was a Yale grad by the way)moved into a lady’s garage apartment and hacks up the lady’s son, buries him in the backyard, took his vehicle ,then left and becomes Clark Rockefeller.The dead guy was not too handsome,so the story goes, but some beautiful red head shows up and falls head over heels for him. Now it just so happens the dead guy worked in a jet propulsion laboratory(Boeing).No one ever found or saw the Red head after the incident. When Rockefeller marries Sandra Boss there are no records of the marriage(where have we heard that before), because they were married in a private Quaker ceremony.Quakers seem to be always on hand when the going gets tough, even where Boeing is concerned………..Like in Oswalds group of friends and associates. Ruth Payne the devoted quaker, her husband worked for Boeing, jet propulsion, the Bell helicopter,lots of CIA, USAID family members on both side. Seems at least for or five of Oswalds so called associates he worked with at Riley’s Coffee factory all left and went to work with NASA or Boeing. Now there are more but that’s just off the top of my squiggly pink brain…..so when I see someone worked with Boeing from this crowd I figure for sure this crowd are either infiltrators i.e. german spies or worse yet, they may work for the CIA. They must still be at it too, as they haven’t been knocked off the payroll yet, if you get my drift.
page 92 of the Ken Allen Scribd documents: A memo that states that Ann’s marriage to Lolo Soetoro took place on March 15, 1965.
IF TRUE, then she was a bigamist as her divorce from BHO Sr. was not final until 5 days later.
Courtesy of a story at Post & Email, which mentions that the date of 1965 is confirmed.
But look at the exact date. March 15.http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/07/11/motion-to-compel-docketed-at-u-s-district-court-in-taitz-v-astrue/
Now I’m getting mixed up. It matters if the year as originally reported on her passport files was 1964 versus 1965. She put different years (supposedly, if it were she) on her passport applications. IF it was 1964, she was a bigamist, because she didn’t divorce BHO Sr. until March 20, 1964. I’ll have to take a better look at that memo. See if they messed with the year.
well her daughter who collaborated with the AAA scholars that wrote her tribute Surviving Against The Odds say they were married in1967.
After Dunham married Lolo Soetoro in 1967, she and her six-year-old son, Barack Obama, moved from Hawai‘i to Soetoro’s home in Jakarta, where Maya Soetoro was born three years later. Barack returned to Hawai‘i to attend school in 1971.
its oh so glowing:
umm, what did she survive and what were the odds she was up against?
Do you think the Hawaiian Dunhams were lying to their family members, too? Do you think they could have been setting up all her personas/ aliases as way back as 1970? Aunt Ginny is off the beaten track on a few things… is Dr. Wolfe related to this family. I forget his relationship.
Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a cousin on his mother’s side.
I keep seeing this “married Lolo in ’67” stuff. But we have the image of the marriage Index Book from the Honolulu DOH 1960-1965 “sorted by Bride” that has both obama Sr and Lolo Soetoro listed.
It’s way at the bottom of the post
Pretty amazing. That story’s now on the front page at Yahoo!
Alfy, Here is a interesting JOCIUS with ties, to Illinois, Washington, Quakers, Poland, Russian, Lithuanian, even to AYERS.
Christopher R. Jocius
I know Kathy, glad you found him. Yep, he even mentions Ayer’s parents and being in their house. Found him long, long ago, but just like Ruth Ndesandjo’s kindergarten, the first time I went there there was weird garbage and I had to shut down my computor. The same thing happened first time I got a Jocius site and I had put Ndesandjo and Jocius together. For awhile I found the weirdest things. Even Chris Jocius who is a professed pascifist, I got the weirdest ranting site . I wasn’t sure what I was reading, but it wasn’t his Plummer lecture. It messed up my computor ,got a TROJAN and my computor said turn off my computor and unplug it! It was a while before I went back to anything of theirs. These sites screwed up my hard drive. Later I found Chris as a Library Scientist (as there are several library computor scientist types in among Obamas people). He has something to do with the Illinois library and Missouri libraries. Another Gintarius (Ginty)(there are more than one)Jocius also became very interesting.Creator of the largest Farm Expo (I think in North America at least maybe bigger) held anually in Chicago Illinois. His children ,one of them is heavily an SOA anti-war ,activist,protesting at these School of the Americas military training facilities. Anyway ,all I found on these people led me to other interesting connections, but the reason I chose Jocius as the name was not this, it was a Bill Ayers intuitive play that I used. That’s how I got the name Jocius: It’s a long story. You would have to read a long dispensation on Jocius of London of the 10th or 11th century.
Maybe that explains why I have started having all kinds of issues with my computer. I’m having lots of trouble shutting down and with startup. I reinstalled my Norton software, because 4 of it’s security features were turned off. Hmmmmmm………………….
No Reply option ^^^ on Lithuanian surnames
One of the peculiarities which strikes the foreigner is the difference between the male surnames and those of married and unmarried women. The surnames of married women are formed by dropping the ending of the male surname and adding the suffix – iene, for example, Katilius – Katiliene, Varnas – Varniene, Zujus – Zujiene (or Zujuviene). Thus, the suffix – iene carries the same meaning as the English Mrs. used before a married woman’s name. The surnames of unmarried women are formed by adding the suffixes – aite, – yte, – ute, – te, for example, Katilius – Katiliute, Zujus – Zujute, Varnas – Varnaite, Banys – Banyte. The second half of the 20-th century saw the emergence of a new tradition for married women, artists in particular, to use their maiden names.
These were translations that I did from English to the other languages.
Baker = Kepėjas – Lithuanian
Baker = Baker – Hebrew
Baker = Пекарь or nekap = Kaplan – Russian
Baker = Bäcker – German
Bridgett, the translations are good, only if I were I’d remove them, lest we give mrs. Jacobs and Ruth more input,that they likely didn’t know when they started the new Russian ruse(not Lithuanian like Ruth stated herself, as well as Mark and a live interviewer with Mark).Now once they patrol the blogs to see how well they’ve been recieved, they’ll probably borrow your info. ….I am kinda kidding, but who knows with these people.
Jocius page 224
10,000 names but none beginning NID, though there is Sandas
I believe they were Jewish immigrants but are they tossing in another “red herring”?
And yet, another version… Ann and Baby went to Cambridge among other things… posting the article primarily due to friends of Ann being mentioned.
And just wondering if they taught goat-herding at the exclusive boarding school Senior attended.
The back story of 20th Century Kenya and tribalism and government. I found this to a very interesting read, a primer,basically, delineating the goings on in Kenya from the 1940s through the present – 2002, when this was written,
The mystery is this: What the hell was United States Senator Barak Hussein Obama II doing in Kenya getting involved with a foreign country’s Presidential Elections and what exactly is it that we are funding in this chosen African country… recall Shorebank
it brings me full circle with an American presidential candidate going on a world tour in order to secure the office of POTUS. How did he get away with that?
His Home Country: “change and progress”
Click to access Kenya1%5B1%5D.pdf
Another take on Sally Jacob’s book.
Ruth Nidesanjo is now Ruth Baker.
The Other Barack
August 1 2011 at 11:29am
By Martin Meredith Snips
Born in a village in Luoland, western Kenya, in 1936, he was a troublesome student with a reputation for chronic misbehaviour. He left secondary school aged 16 with a low-grade certificate after teachers refused to recommend him for further education.
A series of short-term jobs followed, before he found work as a clerk in a Nairobi law firm and married a Luo girl. The first of his eight or so children was born in 1957.
His stroke of fortune was to come to the attention of a middle-aged American teacher, Elizabeth Mooney.Impressed by his skills as a typist and his performance on the dancefloor, she hired him to assist with her literacy programme and encouraged his ambition to gain entrance to an American university. When he was eventually accepted by Hawaii University, she agreed to pay for his first year’s tuition. Leaving behind his pregnant wife and son in Kenya, Obama Snr arrived in Honolulu in 1959, neglecting to acknowledge their existence to immigration officials, college authorities or any of the friends he made there. The first African student to study in Hawaii, he was soon renowned for his “playboy ways”.
Just before returning to Kenya, he proposed to a 27-year-old American blonde, Ruth Baker, who duly followed him to Nairobi in 1964, becoming his third wife.
It almost makes one believe that BHO Sr. was indeed Barry’s dad. Apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Wait….wasn’t Jr.’s “girlfriend”s name Vera BAKER? The one who ran off (or was run off by Michelle) according to the rumors, to the Caribbean?
That’s what the National Enquirer said: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504401/posts
That law firm has connections far and wide and Michelle is connected to it, too. BAKER and McKenzie. We talked about them here:
“1980 An office in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, is opened. Long accustomed to working with both civil law and common law issues, the Firm now adds to its capabilities an understanding of the sharia, the basic body of Islamic law that underpins many legal systems in the Middle East.” They had a head start!
yes it was SEO. She went to an island very quickly.
Elizabeth Mooney mentioned in the above article was Esther Mooney in Jacob’s book. From the information I found above on Ruth’s name.
Bridgette Submitted on 2011/07/13 at 12:37 pm
….June 2010 Mooney, Esther, October 2010 Murashinge, Juditha Clark;November. 2009 Muriuki, Godfrey; April 2009 Ndesandjo, Mark; November 2009 Njiiri, Ruth…
We already identified her as Elizabeth Mooney Kirk. So why does Jacobs use the name Esther?
Good eyes, Bridgette. I went to the book at Google and in the text, she refers to her as Elizabeth aka “Betty”. But in the footnotes, it’s Esther. The text mentions another woman, Helen Roberts, an author from Palo Alto, CA, who traveled about with Mooney Kirk in Kenya. Jacobs goes to great pains to rationalize that BHO Sr. and Mooney Kirk had no sexual relationship, yet all the other facts (and his friends) point to it. Hmm. Hmmm. Hmmmmmm. She says there are lots of photos of BHO Sr. with Mooney Kirk. Oh, yeah? Why can’t/don’t we see them? Or have we seen one already? That one that’s supposed to be Ruth in a trenchcoat but she kinda, sorta doesn’t look much like Ruth?
Their possible relationship was just as semi-scandalous in Kenya as a similar one would be in Hawaii. 1959. Hmm. Close in time. It would certainly help a kid get into pricey schools if in fact his mom was a wealthy woman.
bridgett, I am not sure where you got the info where you show you submitted on 2011/07/13 Page 280, but the name Juditha Clark stood out to me.
You do know there is a Judith Alice Clark ,an old 60’s radical in prison involved (as several others we should know by now)in 1981 Brinks robbery. Why is this name here? Do you know what Juditha Clark your info is referring to? This was also a name that some other radicals used falsely. Just wondering why you have it in this info.
Looks to me Ms Jacobs is just pulling out all the jewish propaganda she can to throw new bullcrap into an old story. Ruth, Esther, Judith weird ……
Judith Alice CLARK
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Renee | August 2, 2011 at 9:56 am |
This is covered on the Castle Walls post also
Renee..use a link …the above makes no sense.
Alfy, the information is from Jacob’s book…and she entered the name Juditha in the index of her book. I didn’t look at her book to find where she was mentioned. No, I didn’t recognize her as a 60’s radical.
Ok Bridgette. I am sitting here trying to figure out how to correctly connect all of this info. My head is spinning with names and connections.It is very confusing and goes to more then one research post so it is jumping everywhere. I have to slow down and figure out how to put this together the right way. It is a bit overwelming to say the least. I will start w/ Baker name and go from there.
Baker will be covered here.
More on this here also.
And more additional reading here;
Alfy, it says it is from the book that is on Amazon. You can read it there.
Try that link.
o.k. bridgette, thanks. I do think this is just more from Ms. Jacobs for obfuscation purposes. I mean this is so typical CIA stuff. It has been, through and through. First, you get some stories like ones since at least 2007(some before), then they get quantified with more specifics and new inferances, then more stories with stupidest details, like Ruth,A Blonde,now Baker. It’s a joke. Someone is enjoying the poopoo they are dropping into our heads. I’m sorry if no one else feels this way,but do.
Thanks, alfy. I thought I saw the name Judith Clark recently but couldn’t place it. I’ve been looking into all those Weatherman-connected people. Synchronicity.
Yes Miri-Weathermen is correct as well as royals again…
Since the terrorist Clark was born in 1949, it couldn’t be the same woman. Juditha Clark Murashige was in Kenya on a work-study thing in 1959, according to Jacobs (what I could see of the page; it’s only a snippet).
The terrorist Clark was associated with the woman who wrote the Vagina Monologues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Ensler
Too bizarre. She was 23 when she adopted then 15-year-old actor Dylan McDermott. You can’t make this stuff up. Bernie Goldberg named her one of the top 100 people who are screwing up America.
This conversation is connecting to my work across the hall….amazing. Let me look here better. I missed all this while gone.
Yes it connects. I will put this across the hall and link back here Bridgette. Good catch !
Obama Admits Childhood In Kenya
Sept 3 2006 Lynn Sweet article
While on a plane, returning from Africa in 2006, Obama admitted he spent some of his childhood in Kenya. “Obama’s next big international journey will be in 2007r–he’s looking at China, India and Indonesia, “where ironicall[y]I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.”
We discussed that article there, and here: https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/obama%e2%80%99s-huge-fabricated-family-2/comment-page-3/#comment-33260 h/t ALI
This was a good way for somebody to make a VERY good point. How can he have more of a childhood in KENYA than in Indonesia. He spent at least 4 years (reportedly) in Indonesia. HOW MANY YEARS did he spend in KENYA AS A CHILD?
In the article I posted, I asked the questions… Are there two sets of the FOIA documents? Does her copy match the copy that Heather published? Now there are answers.
Yes, there were Different sets of the information that two people got. The important information that was redacted had to do with Obama’s parents wanting to put him up for adoption. Sally Jacobs got an unredacted page, and Heather Smathers got a redacted one. Page 39 is the one in question and is shown above in Miri’s article. Heather was the person that put the FOIA file that she received on line.
Boston Globe reporter withholds Obama file
President’s official birth narrative doesn’t match up with INS reports
November 08, 2011 8:20 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi Snips
A Boston Globe reporter sympathetic to Barack Obama apparently received favored access to the immigration file of the president’s father. In writing her biography of Barack Obama’s father, Boston Globe reporter Sally H. Jacobs had access to what appears to be the father’s unredacted Immigration and Naturalization Service file. The documents cover the time Barack Obama Sr. arrived in Honolulu in 1959 until he was forced to leave the United States in 1964.
However, the redacted file the Department of Homeland Security provided in an Freedom of Information Act request to independent reporter Heather Smathers whited-out key facts about the president’s birth narrative, judging from the one unredacted page WND has obtained. [Page 39 of BHO Immigration file]
Jacobs, in a telephone interview with WND, said she got a “less redacted” file than Smathers appears to have received. Jacobs refused to share with WND the less-redacted file or to post it on the Internet as Smathers has done with her file. “Why would I do that?” Jacobs asked. WND suggested it would be in the public interest to have available for study the additional information her less-redacted file might contain.
Put up for adoption?
Close examination of the unredacted page obtained by WND, which Jacobs obviously used to write her biography, shows it contained key information relevant to the Obama nativity story that was whited out in the copy sent to Smathers.
On page 122 of her biography, “The Other Barack: The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama’s Father,” Jacobs revealed that Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham had considered giving up their son for adoption:
According to the INS memo concerning her April conversation with Dahling, the INS administrator, ‘Subject [Obama] got his USC [United Sates citizen] wife ‘Hapai’ [pidgin for pregnant] and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away.
Exhibit 1 shows the unredacted INS file from which Jacobs worked to obtain the information.
Clearly, the redaction was designed to eliminate the information that Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham considered putting baby Barack Obama Jr. up for adoption with the Salvation Army.
Furthermore, the unredacted version of the memo documents that the INS was aware of the adoption possibility as early as April 10, 1961, four months before the baby was born.
Jacobs first revealed that Obama Sr. and Dunham had considered putting the baby up for adoption with the Salvation Army when she wrote an article in the Boston Globe titled “Father spoke of having Obama adopted,” published July 7. http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-07/news/29747969_1_president-obama-ann-dunham-barack-h-obama
Jacob recounts in her book how she found the INS file for Obama, Sr.: “In a storage facility in Lee’s Summit, Missouri, where the paper records of what was once called the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service are stored, there is a folder bearing the name Barack H. Obama, alien registration number A11938537, which contained memos stretching from the time he arrived in Honolulu in 1959 until he was forced to leave Cambridge, Massachusetts, against his will in 1964.”
The Jacob’s image of the immigration file page that WND shows in their article is apparently the same page shown by Jacobs in her article where the right-hand side is cropped. Corsi is still waiting to receive his FOIA request for the documents.
Just to know that Jacob went to the facility to get the file in Missouri tells me that the file was tampered with and that is why none of the information matches up. I also believe that specific pages were added to that file.
Is it just my fading memory? Didn’t Abercommie say once that he FIRST saw Barry at T-ball, when he was definitely NOT an infant?