Governor Brewer Vetoed the Eligibility Bill

Breaking News Monday Evening 9:47 p.m.

Arizona’s Governor Jan Brewer Vetoed a Bill SB 1070 that Required Candidates Prove They Meet the Constitutional Requirements for President!!

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer

David Schwartz , Reuters
April 19, 2011

PHOENIX (Reuters)    Arizona’s Republican Governor Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed two controversial bills, one mandating proof of U.S. citizenship to run for president, the other allowing guns on college campuses, in a clear setback for conservatives who control the state legislature.   Brewer, who grabbed headlines a year ago when she signed a get-tough state law cracking down on illegal immigrants, vetoed the bills in an announcement late on Monday.

The so-called “birther bill,” would have made Arizona the first state in the nation to require presidential candidates prove U.S. citizenship by providing a long form birth certificate, and other forms of proof including baptismal or circumcision certificates, to be placed on the state ballot.

“I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their ‘early baptism or circumcision certificates’ … This is a bridge too far.”

A former Arizona secretary of state, Brewer said, she did not support designating one person as “gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate,” as it “could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions.”

The Republican-controlled state legislature passed the measure at a time when some foes of President Barack Obama, a Democrat,  question whether he is a native-born [NATURAL BORN] U.S. citizen. Real estate mogul and television reality show host Donald Trump is among those questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.


On Greta Van Susteren’s show,  Governor Brewer announced that she had vetoed the bill.   She said, “This bill is a distraction and we need to get on with the state business.”   The Governor also said she would be sending a letter to the legislature.  It will be interesting to read.   The Tucson Sentinel reported that Brewer said that HB 2177   “creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona.”

Is there anyone else that believes insuring that candidates meet the Constitutional requirements by providing proof of their qualifications  is a distraction?   What problems would there be?  Overseeing a few pieces of paper and determining their authenticity would be a problem?  For whom would it be a problem?

Isn’t the Secretary of State already a gatekeeper?  Isn’t the SOS  the one that receives the nomination papers from the candidates?  If the SOS isn’t qualifying the candidates, exactly what is  their responsibility to the electors?   Do they just receive a piece of paper and put a date stamp on it and send it to the file?  Is that the only thing they have to do?

Was the Governor threatened?  Did the Federal Government intervene and say that no federal funds would be going to Arizona if she didn’t veto the bill?  Why did she cave?

Earlier this afternoon, a spokesperson for the bill said there was a 50/50 chance for the bill to pass.  If it did not, there were plans to override her veto.   The bill was watered down from the original requirement, but it was a real start.    Will other states follow suit?  Will there be other states that are willing to uphold the Constitution?  We shall see.

We disagree, it would have been constructive for Arizona and for the U.S.!

 Gov. Jan Brewer had a chance to help save this country and She didn’t do it.   She didn’t do it.  She didn’t stand.

96 responses to “Governor Brewer Vetoed the Eligibility Bill

  1. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes ‘birther’ bill, says veiled attack on Obama goes ‘too far’
    April 18th 2011 Snips

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a controversial ‘birther’ bill on Monday night that would have required presidential candidates to submit a long-form birth certificate in order to be on the ballot.

    Approved in the state legislature last Thursday, the bill called for candidates to produce two or more qualifying documents in the absence of a long-form birth certificate, which include a “hospital birth record, early baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate, early census record or postpartum medical record signed by whoever delivered the child,” the Arizona Republic reported.

    Thirteen other states have considered similar bills this year, and in addition to Arizona, the proposals have been shot down in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

    It’s not clear whether the proponents of the bills completely understand the legislation they are trying to pass. In Arizona, for example, the bill would have potentially ruled out decades of legitimate citizens who don’t have the specified paperwork.

    “If the term ‘long form’ is taken literally, Arizonans born after 1966 may not have the required birth certificate as outlined,” the Republic reported.

    And in Tennessee last month, state Sen. Mae Beavers introduced a birther bill requiring candidates to have long-form birth certificates, but quickly admitted, “I’m not entirely sure what long-form means.”[Would someone from Tennessee send the woman some examples of the short form and long form BC please? She writes a bill and doesn’t know what it means? This is an elected official!]

  2. A joke of an article. The Spin of the Left. Allegations are just starting CNN!

    Birther bill’ vetoed by Arizona governor
    By the CNN Wire Staff
    April 19, 2011 7:11 a.m. EDT

    Obama has insisted that he was born in Hawaii, and the allegations against him have been repeatedly discredited in investigations by CNN and other organizations. Nevertheless, the issue remains politically potent among segments of the electorate and has served as a rallying cry for many of the president’s opponents, most recently potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.

    Among other things, a candidate would have to show a copy of his or her birth certificate. If a birth certificate couldn’t be produced, a candidate would have to show a combination of baptismal or circumcision records, hospital birth files, postpartum medical records or other documents. Candidates also would have to submit affidavits declaring their citizenship as well as sworn statements regarding their residency for the previous 14 years.

    The author of the so-called “birther bill,” Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, has said the bill was not targeted at Obama, but at “maintaining the integrity of the Constitution.”

    In an effort to counter the charges of the birthers, Obama’s 2008 campaign produced a “certification of live birth,” a document traditionally accepted legally as confirmation of a birth.

    Both the current Hawaii governor, Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat, and the previous governor, Linda Lingle, a Republican, have insisted that Obama was born in their home state.

    Nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States, according to a March 11-13 CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe the president probably or definitely was not born in America. [This poll was from what year? 75% what a lie!]

    • Who cares what Lingle, a RINO, and Abercrombie, a Marxist friend of Obama’s family who can produce NOTHING, “have insisted?”

      Who cares what 75% of Americans (if true) “believe” is true or “probably” true? The standard is: WHAT IS TRUE?

      HE HAS NOT PRODUCED ONE DOCUMENT TO A COURT, TO THE PEOPLE, TO JOURNALISTS IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, OR TO THE STATE DEPT. FOR THAT MATTER (although he may have had minions insert a cauterized version into State Dept. files).




  3. The video is worth seeing. George’s transcript doesn’t come close to the conversation that took place. They use Overtalk when they don’t want to disclose the information on the video.

    Trump: I’ll Release My Tax Returns When Obama Releases His Birth Certificate
    George Stephanopoulos Snips
    April 19, 2011

    Donald Trump has promised to disclose the details of his finances if he decides to run for president, but not necessarily his tax returns. In our interview yesterday, he laid out a new condition for their release. “Maybe I’m going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate…I’d love to give my tax returns. I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate,” Trump said.

    Stephanopoulos: There were contemporaneous reports in– [George told Trump that a certificate of live birth is adequate proof of citizenship…]
    Trump: George, they have co-opted you.
    Stephanopolos: Who are they? Not in transcript
    Trump: Obama and his minions!

    Stephanopoulos: You said that you sent investigators to Hawaii and you said quote, “They cannot believe what they’re finding.”
    Trump: We’re going to see what happens, George.
    Stephanopoulos: What have they found?
    Trump: We’re going to see what– that’s none of your business right now. We’re going to see what happens.

    Trump told me the birther controversy is not his “main issue” and said he “hopes” Obama has his birth certificate. But this issue is one reason Trump may be sky-rocketing to the top of national polls and is now interviewing candidates for campaign manager, such as Ralph Reed, formerly of the Christian Coalition.

    • Ralph Reed ?
      REED ?
      And the same names swirl around ?

        • wiki link not working….this is edited, but here is the info. Readers: That is the correct link, but it’s not working. When you get to Wiki, search on Ralph E. Reed, Jr. and the link comes up–third one down. Click it and it goes to another screen. The correct Ralph Reed is the one referred to as “conservative activist.” Click that to read the full article. It’s too long to copy here in its entirety.

          Ralph Eugene Reed, Jr., (born June 24, 1961) is a conservative American political activist, best known as the first executive director of the Christian Coalition during the early 1990s. He sought the Republican nomination for the office of Lieutenant Governor of Georgia but lost the primary election on July 18, 2006, to State Senator Casey Cagle. Reed started The Faith and Freedom Coalition in June 2009. Reed and his wife, the former JoAnne Young, were married in 1987 and have four children. (See link for rest of information.)

          • Born Ralph Eugene Reed, Jr.
            June 24, 1961 (1961-06-24) (age 49)
            Portsmouth, Virginia
            Alma mater University of Georgia, (A.B., 1985)
            Emory University, {Ph.D in American History, 1989}
            Known for Founding the Christian Coalition
            Political party Republican
            Religion Born again Christian
            Spouse JoAnne Young (m. 1987)
            Children 4

          • Way too much scandal around this man….way too much Bridgette…

    • Wow, Bridgette. Thanks for that link. I was in a funk this morning, but that perked me right up. It was priceless to see Trump tell Stephie that he has been “co-opted” by “Obama and his minions.” That was fabulous. But this is insidious:

      I noticed it last week with Greta Van Susteren, who I used to love but whom I now distrust somewhat. I notice it now with Stephie. They’re all hounding Trump to tell them WHAT he’s doing in Hawaii and WHAT he’s found. It shows you how clever Trump is and WHY they’re so afraid of him because he keeps his cards close to his breast. He’s not saying. And you KNOW

      1. the orders have gone down from above to all complicit, co-opted, so-called journalists (Journolisters): Find out what Trump is doing and what he has.

      2. they are desperate to know what Trump has found and what he’s trying to find because then they will disappear it, forge it, and buy off or intimidate (or worse) any witnesses.

      And we still haven’t solved the mysteries of all the conveniently deceased individuals surrounding this phenomenon known as Obama.

      • I noticed it last week with Greta Van Susteren, who I used to love but whom I now distrust somewhat. I notice it now with Stephie. They’re all hounding Trump to tell them WHAT he’s doing in Hawaii and WHAT he’s found.

        Scientology…they want to see Trump’s cards….
        I am sure they do. I hear the FBI is investigating them….

        • What the heck does Scientology have to do with Trump?

          • Not Trump Bridgette, Gretta.

          • Greta Van Susteren – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            Van Susteren was born in Appleton, Wisconsin, and is of Dutch, French and German ancestry on her paternal side.
            Van Susteren’s sister, Lise, is a forensic psychiatrist in Bethesda, Maryland. In 2006, Lise was a candidate for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate. Her brother, Dirk Van Susteren, was a journalist and long-time editor of the Vermont Sunday magazine, jointly published, until folding in 2008, by the Rutland Herald and the Barre-Montpelier-Times Argus.Van Susteren’s father, Urban Van Susteren, an elected judge, was a longtime friend of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, and a campaign strategist for him, although Urban later broke with him.
            Van Susteren is married to John P. Coale. They are both Scientologists. Coale served as an adviser for Sarah Palin.
            Since 2006, she has been part owner of a restaurant, the Old Mill Inn, in Mattituck, New York, on the North Fork of Long Island.

      • Amazing how much George left out of his transcript isn’t it! I love the fact he doesn’t let them get away with their lies and disinformation. He stops them dead in their tracks. George kept trying to get his talking points in though and then for Trump to say you’ve been co-opted! [.. Or paid off, bribed or CYA ing. ] They traveled the path on lies, and now they have to remember their lies and that leads to another one and another one. They are staying on talking points though as all articles say almost identical things. The JournOlist topics are working well for them once again. Collusion among Media Liars. The fear and pressure must be awful. Someone will break down.

  4. A story at Yahoo! says,
    “Arizona Sen. Steve Gallardo, an outspoken Democrat, said the governor realized that the bills would be bad for the state’s image and had nothing to do with the challenges it faces.

    ‘She know that these bills are not going to help with Arizona’s image,’ Gallardo told Reuters.

    ‘All they do is put us in the national spotlight and make us look silly. She’s saying she doesn’t want that to happen any longer.'”

    All they do is make Brewer look like someone who just destroyed her political career. Bye, bye, Jan. Nice knowing you. No surprise that she was on Greta Van Susteren’s show. Another sad piece of evidence that Greta is co-opted, too. Bye, bye, Greta. Nice knowing you.

    • The types of proof in place of a real bc is what someone mentioned is the issue. Too easy to fraud those documents. That is what some are thinking, but Brewer’s reasons are different. Poor Arizona, and the problem border are kicked in the face again ? Nothing is real here ? I am in shock still. I was so hoping she was genuine…..I was so proud of her. Even after Mayor of Phoenix Phil Gordon’s laptop got stolen from his home in a suspicious home invasion, I thought Jan would help clean up Az. What happened ?

    • the governor realized that the bills would be bad for the state’s image and had nothing to do with the challenges it faces.

      What IMAGE would that be ? Az. is a nightmare. That is the image of Az. Murders, drug cartels, crooked officials, illegals everywhere, housing scams and repo and loan fraud, desert sand…..what an image !
      Oh yeah ! that must be it…

  5. I read a story today about author Greg Mortenson, who was to speak at a college commencement, until “60 Minutes” did an expose on him.
    “Such is the case with Fontbonne University’s May 21 commencement speaker, author Greg Mortenson. Normally that choice wouldn’t be any big deal. After all, the “Three Cups of Tea” author has spoken numerous times in St. Louis without a hitch.

    But over the weekend, “60 Minutes” broadcast a scathing story on Mortenson, questioning his honesty and the way he runs a charity that builds schools for children in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Among other things, the story questioned whether Mortenson has been honest about experiences — being kidnapped by the Taliban, for example — that supposedly shaped his life. … He’s a celebrated humanitarian whose book “Three Cups of Tea” is required reading for U.S. service personnel in Afghanistan. He has received more than a dozen honorary degrees and in 2008 was given St. Louis University’s highest honor, the Sword of Ignatius Loyola.” He was also nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Here’s what wikipedia said about the expose:
    “On April 17, 2011, CBS News’ 60 Minutes and correspondent Steve Kroft alleged inaccuracies in Mortenson’s books Three Cups of Tea and its sequel, Stones Into Schools: Promoting Peace with Books, Not Bombs, in Afghanistan and Pakistan and improprieties in the operation of the Central Asia Institute. In particular, CBS News disputes whether Mortenson actually got lost near K2 and ended up in Korphe, whether Mortenson’s capture by the Taliban in 1996 is accurate, whether the number of schools built and supported is accurate, and the use of funds for Mortenson’s book tours. 60 Minutes asked Mortenson for an interview in light of the allegations; he did not respond to their request. Mortenson did write in a statement published by the Bozeman Chronicle, ‘I stand by the information conveyed in my book, and by the value of CAI’s work in empowering local communities to build and operate schools that have educated more than 60,000 students.’ Mortenson further stated, ‘The time about our final days on K2 and ongoing journey to Korphe village and Skardu is a compressed version of events that took place in the fall of 1993…‘”

    So what’s the difference between Mortenson and Obama? Mortenson is a Christian. He’s white. He’s highly accomplished, so his Nobel nomination was based on SOMETHING HE ACTUALLY DID not something that some people hope he might do.

    So why did Steve Croft and “60 Minutes” do a proctology examination on claims made in Mortenson’s book, while giving the person who “merely” wanted to be Commander in Chief and the most powerful person in the world a pass? Why do they continue to refuse to investigate OBAMA’S claims in his two fictional books, which he claims shaped his life? Why do they not investigate Obama’s claims about the number of jobs he says he saved or created? The use of stimulus funds? The source of all his campaign funds? The FOREIGN sources of his campaign funds? His connections to known domestic terrorists, America-hating “preachers”, mobsters, and NWO-promoting billionaires?

    Maybe Mortenson’s mistake was that he didn’t put in the preface of his books that they’re FICTION, LIKE OBAMA DID IN HIS BOOKS.

    • God Miri, just another liar…..
      But over the weekend, “60 Minutes” broadcast a scathing story on Mortenson, questioning his honesty and the way he runs a charity that builds schools for children in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Among other things, the story questioned whether Mortenson has been honest about experiences — being kidnapped by the Taliban, for example — that supposedly shaped his life.

  6. the birth certificate from Kenya has a footprint… seems like a pretty sure fire way of checking its legitimacy… it would put the debate to bed.

    • I’ve thought about that before, but never actually committed it to writing…

      Why not compare a current Obama footprint to the footprint on the Kenyan birth certificate?

      • Exactly. That would at least show if that BC held any truth. Good idea.

      • Now lets see you get it!

      • Somebody with some plaster casting material has to follow him around on the beach in Hawaii! But I bet they have one of those pull-behind graders, like the Japanese use in their rock gardens. Something to make sure they snuff out all the footprints Barry might leave behind. I hope The Donald finds some of those fingerprints he has to have left behind. 🙂

  7. It came to me the other day that maybe all taxpayers who owed money to the IRS this year, ought to have put a digital image of their check on a blog somewhere and then told the IRS where the “real” and “certified” and “legitimate” payment is. 🙂

    Hey, IRS! You see this? ^ That smiley face means: THIS IS A JOKE.

  8. Well, it’s just a parody, satire, a joke. I don’t want the IRS to come down on me as if I’m suggesting tax fraud or anything. It’s a joke, IRS. A JOKE. Everybody should pay their taxes. I said so. So there.

    • Redpill, At the link you made a great point there;
      They should start over with the list of “acceptable documentation” from the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, but then remove from that list any documents that relate to resident aliens or naturalized citizens. And it must be clarified that Diplomatic Passports (like the one Obama has) are not acceptable because they are obtained without birth documentation.

      Start with the I-9 Form, and restrict the list to just those documents that can prove that a person is a natural born citizen of the United States. How could Brewer veto that, especially given her stand on enforcement of current Immigration Law?!?


      If you look at the things which are accepted as “proof” of the Obama birth narrative, (JPG images of a COLB and JPG images of newspaper birth announcements), none of that is considered “acceptable documentation” by an I-9 form.

      So why do people like Allahpundit, Ed Morrissey, and Michelle Malkin accept what is not accepted by current Immigration Law?

      • Don’t you know? Stephanopoulis told us: The State Dept. accepts it. A COLB. But since he’s never presented a COLB to the State Dept. (unless inserted via cauterization by Brennan’s contract employee), it doesn’t matter what’s on any partisan blog or in a campaign ad. Obama had NEVER presented acceptable documentation to the PEOPLE, who, after all, are his BOSSES.

      • Nothing vetted because of IT Redpill ?

        • It appears that all you have to do to get a U.S. Diplomatic Passport is win an election. State Secretaries of State don’t qualify the candidates, the Electoral College Electors don’t qualify the candidates, the Congress doesn’t qualify the candidates, and the U.S. Supreme Court doesn’t qualify the candidates.

          Win an election, win a U.S. Diplomatic Passport!

  9. meanwhile

    Saudis give up on US, instigate direct Gulf action against Iran
    DEBKAfile Exclusive Report April 19, 2011, 1:58 PM
    Iranian “students” rampage in Tehran

    After giving up on US and Israel ever confronting Iran, Saudi Arabia has gone out on a limb against the Obama administration to place itself at the forefront of an independent Gulf campaign for cutting down the Islamic Republic’s drive for a nuclear bomb and its expansionist meddling in Arab countries, debkafile’s Middle East sources report.

    Two US emissaries sent to intercede with Saudi King Abdullah – US Defense Secretary Robert Gates on April 6 and National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, who arrived in Riyadh six days later – were told that Saudi Arabia had reached a parting-of-the ways with Washington, followed actively by Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman.

    Abdullah said he could not forgive the Americans for throwing former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to the wolves in Cairo and for the unrest they were promoting against Arab regimes.

    Saudi Arabia was therefore determined to lead the Gulf region on the road to a confrontation with Iran – up to and including military action if necessary – to defend the oil emirates against Iranian conspiracies in the pursuit of which the king accused US-led diplomacy of giving Tehran a clear field.

    Monday, April 18, the foreign ministers of the Gulf Cooperation Council, GCC, asked the UN Security Council to take action for stopping Iran’s “provocative interference in their countries’ domestic affairs.” This “flagrant interference” posed a “grave security to, and risked flaring up sectarian strike, in the GCC countries.” The resolution went on to state: “The GCC will not hesitate to adopt whatever measures and policies they deem necessary vis-à-vis the foreign interferences in their internal affairs.”

    The phrase “measures and policies deemed necessary” is diplomatic parlance for a military threat. It implies that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the regional group are confident that together, they command the strategic resources and assets necessary for a military strike against Iran. Our military sources report that the Saudis are convinced that their combined missile, air force and naval strength is fully capable of inflicting in-depth damage on mainland Iran. Their message to Washington is that the Gulf nations are now making their own decisions.

    Iran has taken two steps in response to the Saudi-led Gulf challenge: Thousands of Iranian students, mobilized by the Revolutionary Guards and Basijj voluntary corps have laid the Saudi embassy in Tehran to siege for most of the past week, launching stone and firebomb assaults from time to time, but so far making no attempt to invade the building.

    Then, Saturday, April 16, the Iranian foreign ministry summoned the Pakistani chargé d’affaires to warn him sternly against allowing Saud Arabia and Bahrain to continue conscripting Pakistani military personnel. Tehran claims that by offering exorbitant paychecks, Riyadh has raised 1,000 Pakistani recruits for its military operation in support of the Bahraini king and another 1,500 are on their way to the Gulf. Iran also beefed up its strength along the Pakistani border to warn Islamabad that if it matters come to a clash with Saudi Arabia, Pakistani and its military will not escape punishment.

    King Abdullah first defied the Obama administration’s policy of support for popular uprisings against autocratic Arab regimes on March 14 by sending Saudi troops into Bahrain to prop up the king against the Shiite-led disturbances organized by Tehran’s Lebanese surrogate, Hizballah.

    This force has been expanded continuously, split now between units suppressing the uprising and the bulk deployed on the island’s coast, 320 kilometers from the shore of Iran. Saudi ground-to-ground and anti-air missiles have been transferred to the Bahraini capital of Manama and naval units, including missile vessels, positioned in its harbor.

    Monday, April 18, Bahraini Foreign Minister Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa announced that Saudi and allied GCC troops would stay in the kingdom until Iran no longer poses a menace. “Gulf force is needed to counter a sustained campaign by Iran in Bahrain,” he said.

    Tehran-Riyadh tensions are rippling into other arenas: On April 11-12, the chronically disaffected Arabs of Ahwaz in the western Iranian province of Khuzestan (1.2 million inhabitants) staged a two-day uprising against the Iranian government. In their first crackdown, government forces killed at least 15 demonstrators before cutting off Ahwaz’s links with the outside world. Since incoming flights were cancelled, roads to the town blocked and telephone and Internet communications discontinued, no independent information is coming out of the province.

    Tehran accuses Saudi and United Arab Emirate undercover agencies of fomenting the unrest in one of its oil centers. So too does Syrian president Bashar Assad, who claims the spreading revolt against his regime, now entering its second month, was instigated from Riyadh.

    debkafile’s Gulf sources report that King Abdullah has placed himself at the head of the Saudi-GCC political and military campaign against Iran. His team consists of Interior Minister, second-in-line to the throne Prince Nayef; Director of General Intelligence Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz; National Security Adviser Prince Bandar bin Sultan; Deputy Defense Minister Prince Khaled bin Sultan; and the king’s son, Commander of the National Guard Prince Muttab.

    According to our sources, Riyadh has not just given up on American action against Iran but also despaired of Israel and its passive acceptance of a nuclear-armed Iran and the hostile military noose the Islamic Republic is drawing around its borders from Lebanon, the Gaza Strip and Syria.

    In the view of Saudi policy-makers, the effect of the Stuxnet cyber war on Iran’s nuclear facilities and the targeted assassination of some of the program’s key executives has been overrated. They characterize the two covert campaigns as causing limited damage at first and then acting as a fillip for accelerating Iran’s drive for a nuclear bomb.

  10. TWO BITS????? Today’s small free local paper stated the REASON Gov. JAN BREWER VETOED the “birther bill” was the fact that the court??? or the higher ups had the power and the CONTROL to approve or not …….
    Would that make JAN BREWER’S …..veto a better choice? I’m not sure myself if it’s her reasoning…I like the woman …..

    • Was she referring to the Federal Court? Was she afraid of another lawsuit (immigration) at a time when the budget is tight? Was she threatened?

    • Would that make JAN BREWER’S …..veto a better choice?

      Yes it would….hoping that is it. I like her too Zenway. I just feel sorry for her situation. No one should fear to do their job and what they know is right. It is not fair to them. Not a nice thought.

  11. It is the usual thing,
    look over here,
    don’t notice that,
    they didn’t organize the shooting of Mrs. Giffords for nothing,
    shut up Palin, of course,
    shut up Brewer, of course,
    and they also didn’t organize the Libyan conflict for nothing either,
    the demonstration is the emasculation of Nato,
    Nato cannot protect you,
    The prize, for obama, is the removal of Saudi oil from the world market
    The method is the instigation of a Saudi war with Iran
    Get ready

  12. Rosemary Woodhouse

    A true WTF moment.

    It’s the freaking Night of the Living Dead.

    “They’re coming to get you, Barbra!” (no need for paranoia if anyone who post here is named Barbara. It’s a line from the film)

  13. Check this out…

    U.S. Representative José E. Serrano and former U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter:

    • U.S. Representative José E. Serrano represents the Sixteenth Congressional District of New York in the Bronx… serves as Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on Financial Services and General Government . This prestigious post as top Democrat on the subcommittee allows Congressman Serrano to help oversee the budgets of multiple agencies, including the Treasury Department including the IRS; the FDIC; the District of Columbia; the Judicial branch, and other agencies… Born in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico , on October 24, 1943 , Serrano moved to the Bronx with his family when he was a young boy.

      That explains why Rep. Serrano is discusing the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court budget with U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter.

      If we assume that Serrano’s parents were both born in Puerto Rico, then they were U.S. citizens at the time of José’s birth, and José was born a natural born citizen of the United States. So that’s not really an issue here. What is an issue is what Justice Souter said:

      Souter: Why would anyone be aggrieved if you were running for President? Wouldn’t they be pleased? … It says no person except a natural born citizen… well?

      Serrano: I’m a natural born citizen.

      Souter: OK… You said you’re a natural born citizen.

      Souter: Maybe I should point out that there are some people who think that [natural born citizen] means everyone except a naturalized citizen, and there are others who think it has a broader or a narrower meaning…

      Obviously, I am among those who hold to the importance of not only the word “born” but also the word “natural”, as in “Natural Law”, and hold that by the Law of Nature, Obama follows the condition of his father and was born a British subject, to which Obama admits, and that fact excludes him from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

      But listen again to what Justice Souter said…

      Souter: Maybe I should point out that there are some people who think that [natural born citizen] means everyone except a naturalized citizen, and there are others who think it has a broader or a narrower meaning

      How exactly can “natural born citizen” have a “broader” meaning than “everyone except a naturalized citizen”? Is Justice Souter suggesting that some think that even naturalized citizens should be allowed to be President, even though the Constitution clearly specifies “natural born citizen”?!

  14. FIRE NAPOLITANO! Who else is issuing the orders? Justice Dept? Was this the button for Jan Brewer?
    Arizona Sheriff Cites Flood of Border Agents Confirming Feds’ No-Apprehension Policy
    April 19, 2011

    Nov. 1, 2010: Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever, left, speaks about illegal immigration at an event in Arizona also attended by Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu. An Arizona sheriff says he has been flooded with calls and emails of support from local and federal agents who back his claims that the U.S. Border Patrol has effectively ordered them to stop apprehending illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexican border.

    “Upper management has advised supervisors to have agents ‘turn back South’ (TBS) the illegal aliens (aka bodies) they detect attempting to unlawfully enter the country at times you even hear supervisors order the agents over the radio to ‘TBS’ the aliens instead of catching them,” one San Diego border agent wrote in an email to Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever.

    • Bridgette, Does TBS actually mean ‘Give them another chance to cross” ?
      because that is what that actually is….
      What a joke.

  15. John McCain praises Gov. Jan Brewer for veto of ‘birther bill’
    By Michael A. Memoli, Washington Bureau
    April 19, 2011

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Tuesday credited Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) for making “the right decision” with her veto of the so-called “birther bill,” which would have required presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates in order to qualify for the ballot.

    McCain, Obama’s 2008 Republican rival, said in a message posted to Twitter Tuesday afternoon that he was “proud” of Brewer “for her veto of the ‘birther bill’ – it was the right decision”,0,3381524.story?track=rss

    • Good ol m&m McCain. That mealy mouthed wimp would praise a horse t–d if only it had hands to give him a pat on the back. On second thought maybe he just did that. I’m beginning to think he was made a POW because he tried to shake hands with the enemy.

    • This is a man sworn to uphold the Constitution. So how can it be the right decision to veto a bill that sought only to ensure that the Constitution is followed?

      • McCain will not even put out any effort to protect the state he represents so I assume we must assume he has no interest in very much of anything except John McCain. All these politicians who try to appease Obama look and act like a bunch of flower children except the flower children did protest. I voted for McCain but I may just as well have voted for Obama. Bobby Jindal has said he will sign a “birther bill” if one is presented, but I wouldn’t bet my banana split on it.

  16. i heard on “is it legal” on o’reilly that the legislature in arizona can over-ride the veto with a 70% vote. kimberley g. thought they would.

  17. Brewer’s Vetoes Spark Questions of GOP Loyalty
    Wednesday, 20 Apr 2011 06:48 AM

    The so-called birther bill was a “huge distraction” that would have tarnished the state’s reputation and hindered efforts to turn around the state’s ailing economy, she told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

    “From my perspective, knowing what I believe the Constitution says and the information that I had, that it would be something that wouldn’t reflect well on our state,” she said.

    Brewer said she based her sign-or-veto decisions on a standard of what’s right for the state.

    • Tarnished AZ? Wouldn’t reflect well on AZ? What does she “believe” the Constitution says? We know what it says and all citizens want is for nominees to prove they are eligible according to the Constitution. Obama can’t prove he is a natural born citizen because he isn’t. The Constitution doesn’t say give him a loophole and a pass!

      John McCain was vetted, why wouldn’t he want Obama to be vetted? Because Senator McCain wasn’t an NBC either no matter what Congress said. He doesn’t want people looking closely at the Republican’s nominee either..although we have.

      Who do they think they are kidding? We had two choices in 2008 and neither one qualified.

      Still waiting for her explanation letter to her legislature to surface.

    • What information did she have? How would it tarnish the state to ensure that all presidential candidates are eligible under the Constitution?

      Certainly, her argument that opening it up to review by one person makes it legally questionable because it makes the decision subjective and possibly political. But of course, the SCOTUS says it’s a political question, which is why they won’t touch it. And of course, this is what all Secretaries of State do, arbitrarily and politically, when they decide many things, such as who gets on a ballot, what the exact wording of a proposition will be on the ballot, etc.

      To hazard a guess at what information she has: Brewer knows that Barry has no long-form birth certificate. Barry can’t even produce a new COLB from Hawaii because it will not match what the one that he already put on the Web says (unless he can get a lot of officials in Hawaii to put their careers, reputations, possibly their freedom from criminal charges at risk). Barry would therefore try to present some of the “alternate documents,” such as proof of circumcision or affidavits from somebody like Abercrombie (which might be why he’s suddenly saying he saw baby Barry when) or a hospital record, all of which are not LEGAL documents and would have to somehow be vetted for authenticity. So it would be a can of worms when election official tried to authenticate whatever is presented. And it would open up the state of AZ to unrest, as well as the rest of the country, if blacks and Hispanics bought into the progressive LIE that all of this is just a RACIST plot. It’s a conundrum but hey! Do the RIGHT THING, JAN. Grow some. We thought you had some, but apparently not.

      I’d like to know, also, what Brewer “believes” that the Constitution says. Isn’t it kind of, like, KNOWN what the Constitution says, so nobody has to “believe” anything about what it TRULY SAYS.

      Here’s a link to some of her supposed “reasoning”:

      Click to access PR_041811_HB2177VetoLetter.doc.pdf

      • I was just going to post her letter too!

        OK, so now the question should be is he or is he not circumcised? Will the Enquirer get to the bottom of this question? That document would entail a physician’s signature as that was done in doctor’s offices years ago. Easy to find some doctor to pay off for his signature. Although his document might be from a veterinarian’s office.

        When will someone file suit against the DOH and their willing conspirators?

        • I forget and this is getting wild: Do Muslims get circumcized? I don’t remember, if I ever knew. I know he has a baptismal certificate, but that would be from Chicago circa 1990s, via “Reverend” Wright. What else could he have? I doubt seriously that he can find living people who will stake their freedom on swearing under oath that they know for a fact he was born in Hawaii. I bet even Abercrombie, family friend, won’t. Did you see the video? He looked very nervous.

          • You must be thinking of when he found God! Surely Rev. Wright would have those ledgers of baptism. Most ministers keep ledgers, not the papers they sign. They are a part of the church history. No doubt being rewritten already or the ledger misplaced. Mike Evans sure won’t vouch for Abercrombie’s story again..he already stuck his neck out once without knowing it.

            “Circumcision, though not mentioned in the Qur’an, is practiced among Islamic peoples and is most often considered to be a Sunnah (a holy tradition). The explanation for Muslim circumcision is that it is a sign of Abraham’s covenant with God. This is the same explanation that is used in Judaism.

            Some Muslim scholars believe circumcision is a requirement. Some others say it is not required. There is even a movement within Islam that opposes circumcision on the basis of the belief that it is a sin to alter the body in any way.

            In Muslim countries where it is practiced circumcision usually pre-dates Islam. For instance, there are records of it being common in Egypt as far back as the Sixth Dynasty (2345 – 2181 BC).”


  18. Dr. Orly Taitz: Donald Trump Will Get the Republican Nomination

    by Sharon Rondeau Snips

    (Apr. 19, 2011) — On April 18, 2011, The Post & Email spoke with Dr. Orly Taitz just prior to the announced veto by Arizona Governor Janice Brewer of the legislation which would have required candidates for the office of president to provide proof of “natural born Citizenship” status. Since that time, Taitz has launched a recall campaign against Brewer which can be signed by any Arizona registered voter.

    On April 15, Taitz was interviewed by John King of CNN, who labeled her “the leading figure in the birther movement.” Before the interview commenced, King expressed skepticism over the contention that the Arizona bill was not “aimed” at Barack Hussein Obama. During the telecast, King admitted that what he called the “Certificate of Live Birth,” which he held up to the cameras, is not a complete birth record.

    He asked his other guest, a pollster, if “the president has to do something more proactively” to convince the public that he was born in Hawaii.

    When Taitz held up documents which she claimed proved that Obama is using a stolen social security number, the pollster interrupted Taitz and claimed that her statements arose from racism. When he asked Taitz if the eligibility question would have arisen if Obama had been white, Taitz answered, “Yes.”

    ….we need to apply pressure from each and every citizen of this country on our Congress to start an emergency hearing on the issue of eligibility, of social security fraud of Mr. Obama, and demand that they obtain the original application for the Connecticut social security number when he was supposedly born in Hawaii, and his original birth certificate and other documents. I think that will be the end of the Obama presidency, and he will have to be removed from office.

    • Taitz continued, “What worries me is that we have massive election fraud. Today, we have two major companies running the scanners for the voting machines: Diebold and Sequoia.

      A study completed in 2006 showed that Diebold voting machines, in particular, are susceptible to sabotage. A 1996 report states that at that time, only 1.7% of the votes cast by “registered voters in the United States” were made on paper ballots.


    I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet, because I’m not caught up reading yet today; but this link contains a video of Abercrombie NOW saying that Barry’s parents brought him to the U of HI Manoa campus just days after his birth, where Abercrombie implies he saw baby Barry. This, of course, contradicts what he said before when he said his first memory of little Barry was playing T-ball. And he’s back to his meme about asking Barry to prove eligibility for the presidency is somehow “insulting” Barry’s parents (whoever they were.).

  20. Lis Wiehl, who purports to be an attorney, said last night that the AZ law is “silly.” That it’s a distraction, despite that O’Reilly said in return that it takes only moments to sign a bill. Wiehl, an ATTORNEY, said that making sure of the CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY of ALL candidates for the presidency (for the office of commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world, for the office of the most powerful PERSON in the world) is “SILLY” and a “DISTRACTION”. Perhaps it’s a good thing that this person is now a media pundit and a crime novelist.


  21. I saw Brewer on Greta Van Susteren’s show last night. She talked about being snubbed by Barry–left out, as were all border state governors–from a special meeting about comprehensive immigration reform, which Barry needs to ram through in order to get his sinking poll numbers with Hispanics to go back up. She said nothing about the so-called “birther bill”. While she still talks the good talk about securing the border and no amnesty, I cannot fathom WHY she vetoed that bill. All it does is require, as states are supposed to do, that anybody on a ballot meets the LAWFUL requirements set out for the position the person seeks. She has lost a lot of credibility. I don’t know how she’ll get it back. If ever.

  22. FOX Video of Brewer talking with Greta
    Jan Brewer vetoes AZ birther bill
    Apr 19, 2011

    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer believes that the AZ ‘birther’ bill is nothing more than a distraction and that one state shouldn’t hold the key to the presidency:

    • Wow. Jan’s been botoxed up. Look at the first image on that video. She looked a lot different last night. They say she’s not eligible to be governor again (term limits) and that she claims she won’t run for the US Senate. So what’s her next gig, I wonder?

  23. Who are the happiest about Brewer’s veto? The Left has article after article praising Gov. Brewer. Isn’t that fantastic! They also praise Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove for their stand against the nutty crazies..birthers.

    Her is one such article. No URL provided on purpose.
    Jan Brewer and Karl Rove Choose ‘Sane Right’ over ‘Nutty Right’
    Tuesday, April 19, 2011

    If Karl Rove and Jan Brewer both think the birther movement is ridiculous then the birther movement is indeed ridiculous. The Republican party seems to be getting sick of the “nutty right. …

  24. Border security which is national security is political according to Holder’s Office!

    Feds seek dismissal of Brewer’s immigration suit
    Apr 20, 2011 6:11am

    PHOENIX (AP) — The U.S. Justice Department has asked a judge to dismiss Gov. Jan Brewer’s lawsuit that accuses the federal government of failing to secure the border and enforce immigration laws. Brewer filed the action as a counter-lawsuit to the Justice Department’s attempt to invalidate Arizona’s immigration enforcement law.

    The Justice Department tells U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton in filings that Brewer’s counter-lawsuit raises questions of a political nature and that Bolton’s court wasn’t the right place to air Brewer’s grievances.

    Brewer’s counter-lawsuit claims the federal government has failed to protect Arizona from an “invasion” of illegal immigrants. It seeks increased reimbursements and extra safeguards, such as additional border fences.

    Bolton has put the most controversial parts of the immigration enforcement law on hold.

  25. Someone put this in the proper slot or whatever or delete if already posted–OT.

  26. Reframing the issue or continuing the blurr? Making it Citizenship and not Natural born citizen the issue. See her interpretation of unmentioned NBC. Ignorance starts with Pamela Wright. No importance Pam?

    Ignorance fuels the citizenship debate
    Letter to an editor
    Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2011
    Pamela Wright, Oakdale, CA

    Enough already. For two years and more we have spent valuable time on this issue of no importance. To the “birthers” and now Donald Trump: Constitutional law states that one is a citizen if the parents are married at the time of the birth, that one of the parents is a United States citizen and lived in this country for five years prior to their 14th birthday. It does not matter where in the world one is born if a parent meets these criteria. President Obama, who was born in Hawaii, could have been born anywhere. He is a citizen of this country.

    How has this noise gone on for so long and with such fervor? Answer: [Pamela’s]ignorance and entertainment.

    • WRIGHT again ?
      Ann WRIGHT of Code Pink connection ? Jerimiah WRIGHT ?
      Found this name too much to ignore…

    • Well, this misinformed person should know all about ignorance. First, nobody knows who his parents are. Second, if they are the people he claims, nobody knows (even BARRY) if they were married. Third, it’s 5 years AFTER the 14th birthday, which rules out “Ann”. (A mistake or deliberate obot disinformation? You be the judge.) Fourth, as Bridgette says, it’s NATURAL BORN citizenship, not simple citizenship, native citizenship, or US national. Born ON US SOIL TO TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. Fifth, Barry MIGHT now be a “citizen of this country” but it doesn’t matter. He has to have been a NATURAL BORN citizen, which means born IN THE USA to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS. Whatever Congress tries to say in immigration and naturalization laws, has NOTHING whatsoever to do with NATURAL BORN citizenship. She is ignorant, but she’s not entertaining.

  27. Thereare some excellent forensic investigators on this site,
    it all has no effect,
    reason being,
    the overall conspiracy is so much deeper than anyone thinks,
    Does that make anyone think they are sick at their stomach because I point this out?
    Deal with it,
    snideyness will not save anyone

    • Maybe not, but it makes us feel better and we’re not going down without a fight but we’ll have smiles on our faces, dave. How about you?

    • We think it’s deeper than we think too.

      I wish we could cover the world in our private planes and stroll into various archives or perform private spy operations on suspected culprits.

      Also, I really like the Debka File articles you bring to the blog and because of those articles I signed up for the Debka File Newsletter!!

  28. I do not like snidey put downs because I post Debka articles and suggest that there is a grand conspiracy larger than you are willing to admit to,
    for that reason, I call out some of your putdowns, which strangely
    are no different than Faux News,

    Why fight amongst ourselves,



    • Excuse me, but where did anybody put a “snidey putdown?” You lost me, Dave.

    • Dave, I think you misunderstand. We here at this blog are not ever about putting others down, unless they attack us first. Of course, we’re all about putting down Obama and any of his minions. But not you, Dave. We appreciate your posts from the debka site, because I don’t think we’d see it, otherwise. When you read something that seems like a putdown to you, please. Take a minute to see if it could be read another way. Give us the benefit of the doubt first. Please. I know that I have written things before where my fingers got ahead of my brain and something came out differently than I intended.

  29. I like your comments Davem. It is not your comments that make me sick, it is the whole picture.My comment was not intended otherwise. I get sick at my stomach when I read alot of things…that is when the big picture comes to view. It just has this effect on my stomach. Please do not take it the wrong way. You bring great info to this blog always.

  30. Hey there from Arizona,
    Very simple, SoS Ken Bennett wants to be governor in 2014. Certainly, career before country. Governor Brewer is protecting Bennett’s career and reputation of not being labeled as a so called birther. Candidate eligibility is not a distraction but it seems to have come down to one gatekeeper, …Governor Brewer.

    A republican faction who call themselves conservatives, McCainservatives at best, as followers of the McCain regime, controlled the outcome of the proof of eligibility bill. Ken [Mc]Bennett would make a fine governor, don’t ya think?

    My State Rep. said today in regard to the proof of eligibility bill, “We will have to start all over again next year as we ended session 5:28 am today.”

    SoS Ken Bennett can promulgate rules allowing for the proof of eligibility of any candidate. The certification of the names of candidates by the SoS for the ballot is a legal procedure. With an upcoming election in 2012, how can SoS Ken Bennett certify any candidate, whether eligible or ineligible, without a determination of the eligibility of candidates ? Does SoS Ken Bennett believe the actual ballot belongs to the political Party?

    Answers to these and many more questions must be weeded out before Mr. Bennett wants to be governor.

    Some Arizona officials are considering not having a Presidential Preference election this next year as a method of saving state monies.

    This means the 2012 candidates may not be signing a sworn statement that s/he meets eligibility requirements as required by the ‘promulgated’ Arizona Presidential Preference Election Candidate Nomination Paper to self nominate themselves, for whatever that is worth. For the 2012 general election, the SoS can only rely on the certificate of nomination of a private political Party (being the traditional method) to place the names of candidates on the ballot.

    Another good read;

    “A bridge too far?” Gov. Brewer caves on candidate verification bill

    • From comments at a bridge too far… Why she vetoed…So easy, I didn’t think of it even though I knew she had been the SOS!

      Another LD11 PC says: April 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      Why are you surprised?


      Hmmm… you guessed it…. Jan Brewer!

      Of course she’s not going to sign a law that highlights the fact that the did not uphold her oath of office as Sec State and her FAILURE to validate and vet the application for ballot access status for the Obama campaign.

      Why are you surprised? Where have you been all along?

  31. We Write With Urgency… « drkatesview drkate April 20, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    just also heard good news on the Brewer front. she is willing to sign if the legislature removes circumcision and baptism as records…also invites legislature to override veto…developing…

  32. Bobby Jindal Will Sign ‘Birther Bill” Obama Quaking In His Boots!
    April 21, 2011

    “Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal said Wednesday that he will sign a proposed bill requiring presidential candidates to present a birth certificate before having their name added to the state`s ballot.The bill, which has yet to reach the Republican governor`s desk, received national attention after Arizona governor Jan Brewer vetoed a similar bill, calling it a `distraction.`”

    Read more:

    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer let down those of us who are determined to make Obama comply with the rule of law and provide proof of citizenship.

    Unlike Brewer Governor Jindal has a backbone and he will sign the bill that requires a presidential candidate to present a birth certificate before having his name added to the state`s ballot. If other states pass similar legislation, Obama will be forced to release a valid birth certificate. If Obama fails to present a valid birth certificate, he will be exposed as the biggest fraud in American history.

    Jan Brewer is dead wrong, Obama`s missing birth certification isn’t a distraction. If Obama wasn’t born in the United Sates he`s an illegitimate president, and every action that he takes is a crime and an affront to the constitution.

    American patriots shouldn’t let Obama [the media, or Congress] get away with his arrogance and deception.


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