Guns And No Roses

By Renee

Weapons belonging to Los Zetas, a Mexican-Guatemalan drug cartel were found by a border patrol near Texas and Mexico border. ICE Photo

Hillary Clinton has refused to turn over information on a huge gun running scandal on the Mexico border. , 1,700  appx. guns and the ATF is involved.  Darrell Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley R, Iowa are asking questions.   No one is answering their questions.


It is being reported that Eric Holder is somehow involved in this too. My questions are:

1. How can this happen?

2. Who is involved?

3.Who will be arrested for this scheme?

4. When?

This is a very serious story and serious situation. Our border is now a very unsafe place. Who would heat it up even more by adding 1,700 guns to that mix?

Inquiring minds want to know.

386 responses to “Guns And No Roses

  1. Discussing this guy over at Citizen Wells now;

  2. Johnny Sutton – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Johnny Sutton is an attorney who served as United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas from 2001 until 2009, and chaired the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of United States Attorneys. Sutton is known for the prosecution of United States Border Patrol agents Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos. He is currently a partner with the law firm Ashcroft Sutton Ratcliffe, LLC in Austin, Texas.

    • Born Houston, Texas, U.S.
      Nationality American
      Alma mater University of Texas
      Occupation Attorney
      Employer The Ashcroft Group
      Known for United States Attorney

      • The Ashcroft Group, LLC is a strategic consulting firm started by former United States Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2005. Members of the group include former Dick Cheney Press Secretary Juleanna Glover Weiss, former Chief of Staff at the Department of Justice David Ayres, and former Chief of Staff for Management at the Department of Homeland Security Susan Richmond. In April 2009, four former United States Attorneys joined the Ashcroft Group: Michael Sullivan, former U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts; John Ratcliffe, former U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Texas; Johnny Sutton, former U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas; and Catherine Hanaway, former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri.

  3. LF: Kenneth Melson, acting ATF chief, steps down (2 scapegoats …
    Aug 30, 2011 … See other Corrupt Government Articles. Title: Kenneth Melson, acting ATF chief, steps down (2 scapegoats thrown under the bus by Obama) …

  4. ATF head reassigned in wake of ‘Fast and Furious’ controversy …
    Aug 30, 2011 … Kenneth Melson became acting director of ATF in 2009. … indicates that Director Melson may be being used as a scapegoat for a much larger …

  5. New ATF Director Unfazed by Gun Probe –
    Oct 26, 2011 … B. Todd Jones, the U.S. attorney in Minneapolis, was appointed about seven weeks ago as acting ATF director. He was in Chicago for a …

  6. New acting director of ATF B. Todd Jones will tackle “lack of …
    Aug 30, 2011 … Minnesota’s U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones will take over as acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Attorney General Eric …

  7. B. Todd Jones | Main Justice
    B. Todd Jones (Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi). Minnesota U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones on Tuesday announced the creation of the Civil Frauds Unit in the …

  8. Ruben Rosario: Washington called. U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones …
    Minnesota U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones was not a happy camper. I had publicly criticized his office for giving up prosecution of a high-profile human-trafficking …

  9. [PDF]
    H:\News releases\August 201181811.Warren convict…
    Aug 18, 2011 … old Woodbury man guilty of the sex trafficking of a 15-year-old girl. … 2009, Warren transported an adult female from Minnesota to … This case is the result of an investigation by the Minneapolis Police Department and the … It is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney LeeAnn K. Bell. … B. Todd Jones, …

  10. Tennesee court handling Minn.-connected sex ring cases …
    Nov 24, 2010 … Photo: #U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones was sworn in for the second time to … About two-thirds of the 29 people charged in the case are from Minnesota. … as 12, were allegedly transported to work in the sex trade in other states, ……

  11. Key “Gun Walker” Figure Loses Top ATF Job – HUMAN EVENTS
    Aug 30, 2011 … Melson’s replacement is B. Todd Jones, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota. … Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley, the lead investigators of the Gun Walker case, were not happy that “Justice Department … The purge of those responsible for the firearms trafficking scandal continued as new …

    • NOTE NAME**
      “Word is that curious George Gillett the Phoenix ASAC stepped on it again. Allegedly he has approved more than 500 AR-15 type rifles from Tucson and Phoenix cases to be “walked” to Mexico. Appears that ATF may be one of the largest suppliers of assault rifles to the Mexican cartels! One of these rifles is rumored to have been linked to the recent killing of a Border Patrol Officer in Nogales, AZ. Can anyone confirm this information?”

  12. George Gillett **
    Like Bunny Mellon- Gillette family ? Like Gill-Ruth Avery Hyde Paine Forbes-Kerry-Khourey,(Arthur Young-Bell Helicopter), Marina Oswald name again ? To Lady Diana’s mother’s family again ?
    WHY does this name keep popping up ?

  13. Someone will be interested in this part. Again, from link;
    “But dupe or not, treated like an outsider by ATF old-timers or not, kept in the dark about gunwalking to Mexico or not, Ken Melson had been introduced to the Fast and Furious, gunwalking scheme no later than December of 2010. His one year performance before congressional investigators as “innocent bystander” will no longer fly.

    And neither will the fact that he supposedly kept the deliberate, highly illegal smuggling of guns into Mexico quietly to himself, sparing his superiors in the Department of Justice any of the gory details. As an attorney, Ken Melson knew the consequences, both of such a crime and its cover up. And you can BET, if only to protect his own hide, he made sure his Department of Justice and Executive branch bosses knew it as well.”’s-latest-fast-and-furious-claims-scuttled-by-atf-director’s-emails/

    • Renee, I always thought that guy was full of it. He didn’t smell like any innocent. There are an awful lot of attorneys around this administration who seem to not know or understand the law or the CONSTITUTION. The CiC being “CHIEF” among them.

      • And let me say this again: Agent Terry is DEAD. He’s still dead. His family still grieves. They will NEVER be made whole but SOMEBODY needs to answer for his murder. They deserve justice. Is it racism that this administration does not seem to care?

  14. Picked this link up at Citizen WElls, commenter Bessie:

  15. This is the main reason I am currently going to support Ron Paul. This is an evil group. We need to end the Federal Reserve, strengthen the anti-trust rules and break up these cabals. Paul just needs to articulate and strengthen his defense stands for me to give him 100% support.

    01-19-2012 9:00 am – Dean Henderson

    • Testimony in a Chicago federal court claims that the Department of Justice willingly and knowing gave Fast & Furious guns directly to the bloody Sinaloa drug cartel of Mexico.

      Two honorable US agents, dozens of Mexican police officers and thousands of Mexican citizens have been slaughtered with Eric Holder’s Fast & Furious guns. And now it appears that Holder’s guns did not simply walk across the border, but were knowingly and specifically delivered to one of the world’s most vicious drug cartels.

      In proceedings filed in a Chicago federal court, defendant Vicente Jesus Zambada-Niebla claims that the Department of Justice struck a deal with leaders of the Sinaloa drug cartel, in which cartel leaders received Fast & Furious guns in exchange for providing information and assistance against other drug and crime cartel organizations.

      While some might dismiss defendant Jesus Zambada-Niebla’s testimony as a drug runner’s desperate attempt to wiggle out of a hefty conviction, think again.

      Congress’ own investigative report into Fast & Furious shows that the majority of “walked” guns wound up in the hands of none other than Zambada-Niebla’s Sinaloa cartel. Zambada-Niebla is the son of one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in Mexico, and Zambada-Niebla claims that the Sinaloa’s own Mexico based attorney brokered the deal with US government officials.

  16. ttp://

    • Federal Official In Arizona To Plead The Fifth And Not Answer Questions On ‘furious’ | Fox News
      The chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona is refusing to testify before Congress regarding Operation Fast and Furious, the federal gun-running scandal that sent U.S. weapons to Mexico.

      Patrick J. Cunningham informed the House Oversight Committee late Thursday through his attorney that he will use the Fifth Amendment protection.

      Cunningham was ordered Wednesday to appear before Chairman Darrell Issa and the House Oversight Committee regarding his role in the operation that sent more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa Cartel. Guns from the failed operation were found at the murder scene of Border Agent Brian Terry.

      Read more:

    • Cash Walking | We the People of the United States Renee | February 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Reply
      In the run up to Eric Holder’s testimony before Congress this Thursday on the Fast and Furious scandal, a series of breaking news stories has surfaced on the flurry of activity and maneuvering of the parties involved.

      First, investigative reporter Mike Vanderboegh, who first broke the Fast and Furious story in December of 2010, has uncovered a series of emails linking high level ATF officials with the most virulent anti-gun activists in the nation.

      Why is this information damaging?

      The ATF has consistently described itself as an agency that has no political affiliation and carries no agenda regarding the gun rights of citizens. In short, the agency is supposed to be neutral in the ongoing controversy between those who support the Second Amendment as originally conceived by the Framers and those who wish to severely restrict if not remove the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms.

      Renee | February 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Reply
      NOTE JOYCE***
      Vanderboegh, however, has discovered significant collaboration between the ATF and the Joyce Foundation, which has provided the major source of funding for the Violence Policy Center–an organization that is dedicated to the outright ban of guns.

      In addition, there is also significant collaboration between the ATF and the University of Chicago Crime Lab, which has a long history of attempting to provide a scientific foundation for the call for gun bans.

  17. And more still;
    Cash Walking | We the People of the United States Renee | February 5, 2012 at 11:01 am | Reply
    Miri, Bridgette, Where is an ACORN post to add this to also;
    Weaving Change | Wtpotus Research Blog Renee | February 5, 2012 at 8:55 am | Reply
    DOJ second release of Project Vote/Estelle Rogers documents …

    Dec 14, 2011 … DOJ second release of Project Vote/Estelle Rogers documents – October 19, 2011. Obtained by Judicial Watch October 19, 2011 through FOIA …

    Renee | February 5, 2012 at 8:56 am | Reply

  18. Obama launched F&F ?

    • Check out this video on YouTube:

      Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration’s new and aggressive ‘comprehensive plan’ on March, 24, 2009. The plan was aimed at disrupting gun trafficking between the United States and Mexico.
      Full C-SPAN Video Link 3-24-2009
      Fair Use: This video has been posted for educational non-profit purposes only.
      Tags Gunrunner Project Gun Runner BATF ATF Bureau Alcohol tobacco and firearms DEA DOJ Department of Justice Attorney General Eric Holder President Barack Obama Mexico Gun Walker GunWalker Drugs Cartels Fast and Furious Gun Tracing Economic stimulus funds recovery act reinvestment Deputy attorney general david ogden

  19. Oversight Committee Outlines Case for Contempt over Fast and Furious
    WASHINGTON, D.C. – House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) has distributed a staff briefing paper and draft of the contempt of Congress resolution against Attorney General Eric Holder to Members of the Oversight Committee. The briefing paper explains what happened in Operation Fast and Furious, the hardships faced by the family of fallen Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in getting truthful answers about his death, how agents who blew the whistle on the reckless operation have faced retaliation, and the carnage in Mexico that Fast and Furious has helped fuel.

    “This briefing paper and draft contempt report explains the case, to both Members of the Committee and the American people, for holding Attorney General Holder in contempt of Congress,” said Issa. “In describing the results of the Justice Department’s refusal to cooperate – including the hardships the family of a fallen Border Patrol agent have faced in seeking the truth, and retaliation against agents who blew the whistle on gunwalking – this briefing paper provides the facts, on which decisions will be made.”

    Highlights of the briefing paper include:

    On information sharing failures (p.6):

    “When [firearms trafficking syndicate ringleader] Celis-Acosta informed ATF of the names of the two cartel contacts for whom he had been working, agents quickly came to learn that these two U.S.-based cartel contacts were already known to the Department of Justice … In exchange for one associate’s guilty plea to a minor charge of “Alien in Possession of a Firearm,” both of these cartel associates became FBI informants and were considered essentially unindictable well before Operation Fast and Furious concluded. One ATF official would later say that the discovery that the primary targets of their investigation were not indictable was a “major disappointment.” Adding to the information-sharing failure, DEA had actually provided Celis-Acosta’s cartel connection to ATF in December 2009 in an effort to ensure that ATF’s efforts in Operation Fast and Furious were not duplicative.”

    On the Justice Department’s Failure to Cooperate (p.9):

    “When the Committee issued a subpoena to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on October 12, 2011, for Justice Department documents, the Committee specified 22 categories of documents it required the Department to produce. Department representatives specifically confirmed their understanding of each category. To date, the Department has not produced any responsive documents for 12 of the 22 categories. The Department has not completely fulfilled any of the 10 categories for which documents have been produced. For over a year, the Department has issued false denials, given answers intended to misdirect investigators, sought to intimidate witnesses, unlawfully withheld subpoenaed documents, and waited to be confronted with indisputable evidence before acknowledging uncomfortable facts.”

    On the struggle of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s family to get the truth (p. 11):

    “While the Justice Department’s admissions have largely come as a result of being confronted with indisputable facts, the painfully slow process of getting the truth has been a continuing frustration for the Terry family. They still do not have the all the facts about the circumstances surrounding Brian Terry’s murder …. As Brian’s sister said of his family’s desire to know the full truth, ‘Brian was about making a difference and justice. And I just feel that this country owes it to him, because he spent his whole life fighting for this country some way or another.’”

    On Retaliation Faced by Agents who blew the whistle (p.13):

    “Agent Alt notified his superiors about his impending testimony. The next day, ATF Internal Affairs notified Alt that they wanted to talk with him about another matter. On May 5, 2011, Agent Alt met with ATF internal affairs investigators about allegations that Alt downloaded two prohibited applications to his government-issued phone. The total cost of these applications was eight dollars …. Alt was prevented from transferring offices and his eligibility for promotions and pay raises barred during the pendency of the investigation – all supposedly over eight dollars in phone applications.”

    On Fast and Furious fueling violence in Mexico (p. 15):

    “In October 2010, cartel members kidnapped Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez, the brother of the Attorney General for the Mexican state of Chihuahua, where Juarez is located. The cartel posted a video of the kidnapped Rodriguez online, in which he alleged, under duress, that his sister had ordered killings at the behest of the Juarez cartel. The video went viral and became a major news story in Mexico. Two weeks later, Mexican authorities found Rodriguez’s body in a shallow grave. In a subsequent shootout with cartel members responsible for the murder, police arrested eight and recovered sixteen weapons. Two of these weapons traced back to Operation Fast and Furious. Although the Department of Justice learned that these weapons traced back to Fast and Furious almost immediately, no one informed the Mexican government. Not until congressional investigators were on the verge of learning the truth about the connection did an ATF agent in Mexico finally tell the Mexican Attorney General in June 2011 – seven months after Rodriguez’s murder.”

    On allegations of intentional wrongdoing by Justice officials (p. 17):

    “Perhaps the most damning assessments of the Department’s handling of the fallout from Operation Fast and Furious have come from two Justice Department officials. Kenneth Melson, the former Acting AFT Director during the pendency of Fast and Furious, told Congress that, “it appears thoroughly to us that the department is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the department.” Patrick Cunningham, who had been tasked by the Justice Department with investigating ATF whistleblower allegations of gunwalking, would later invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination in refusing to answer questions about his work.”

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