To Burqa or Not to Burqa ? That is the Question…

By: Renee

I read a good article today, and it got me thinking about the subject of the burqa here in free America. I have met a lot of people from a wide range of places through the years, so I started to think about their views of this.

The people I know personally from the Mid-East and Asia came to this country for more personal freedom for themselves and their children. A better life. Covering their heads was one of the main reasons they wanted to leave their homelands, believe it or not. While these women would agree to cover in airspace when traveling, and in countries where they are required to do so, they were most happy to return to their FREE, uncovered head and body status they loved here in America, Europe and other places where it is not required.

These women are married to conservative but open minded men who allow their wives to be their own person. They do not feel insecure about their wives sexuality or her unique personality. These men are comfortable in their own skin, and do not feel threatened by American dress. They wish to fit in with all others here from many places and respect and like the variety of people’s traditions. If attending a Mosque, or other religious event, I am sure a nice scarf would be fine. The men that marry American women and make them cover? I am not even going to say what I think of that other then the women must really want to be dominated or have other issues I am not qualified to point out, and those men? Totally insecure. They love the control or the fact that they have that power. Plain and simple.

Now, to the subject of the full cover in America. Hummmm……I do not mean this in a disrespectful way, but I feel sorry for those women. I feel like they need hoses to go with the air mask looking hoods. They are distracting, ugly and look hot, have limited vision, and are scary to drive close to for this reason. We have nice, conservative clothes and great designers. We have really pretty scarves to coordinate with the nice, pretty, conservative clothes, so I do not comprehend it.

What is the problem? Why would a man from a burqa wearing country have his wife or daughters living in a country with a very individual dress style if he hates it? Then, why would he hold them to this tradition here? To be different, mean, for control, or to prove a point?

Let’s be rational. Can you see American women jogging or out in the yard planting shrubs in 108 degrees in the summer heat wearing a burqa? Can you imagine a woman, who is wearing a burqa, and working in her garden. Because she can’t see the hose, she trips over it and falls against the fence. Down she goes, legs and arms in the air. An accident occurred because she could not see. I think that if people repress the freedom of dress of their family members while living in this country it sends the wrong signals. It says “I refuse to fit in” or “I would rather not be here, but I am. So this is my way and I am here for my family.”

Ok fine, we have religious freedom here, but it is 2010. Women are not chattel here. We are respected for our minds and our wishes for ourselves. Our opinions count. We are allowed to dream. This burqa thing is a step backward for women. We refuse to step back. Buy some nice scarfs if you must, but please join us in 2010 America.

They look like baggage in those things. Moving packages. Not like real people. Like less then deserving people. Like sad ladies that cannot come out into the sunshine with the rest of the ladies. Like they are too ugly to be seen by anyone and have bags over their heads as punishment? That is not fair. There are pretty eyes in there looking out like an animal in a cage. There are lovely women inside that garb.

This is The United States of America. Think old movies, Grace Kelly and sophisticated, elegantly, draped heads in a classic convertible, blowing in the wind. Those movies are beautiful and conservative, but they are really old too, but class never goes out of style. Join us in America 2010. All are welcome from all around our world. Those that fit in become Americans. Those that refuse need to consider relocation to a culture more in balance with what they wish to be. Repressed. Burqas mean repression to American women. We like being able to be ourselves, and to see well as we walk too.

I hope to have a lot of comments on this subject, as it seems to be the topic of conversations in Europe now, so I think we should all think about it too.

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29 responses to “To Burqa or Not to Burqa ? That is the Question…

  1. I agree with France’s President Nicolas Sarkosy who believes burqas are a sign of subjugation and the submission of women. I know he was going to make it a law that they are not allowed to be worn in France, but I don’t know if that law passed.

    Why would any woman want to be covered from her head down to her toes? I think Sarkosy was allowing women to be free, and sending a message to Muslim men to come out of the dark ages.

    It reminds me of Catholic nuns and their habits. They were finally allowed to wear clothing that fit the times and I am sure they loved not having to be so fully draped and clothed. Many orders might still have them totally covered, but the nuns I see here wear unfashionable clothing, yet their skirts are short and their hair is not totally covered.

    Their clothing must be very confining for them just like the long dresses and petticoats were for pioneer women.

    I don’t like talking to people hiding behind their sunglasses either. I like to see people’s faces, their expressions, and emotions. I would feel invisible and perhaps inhuman having to wear that type clothing.

  2. It is clearly not simply a religious thing or tradition when you think about it.
    It is a way of removing women from society. Purely a psychological means of subjugation.

    These are shadows walking amoung the people. It is also a way of the men to hide themselves when you have a social order that is totally restrictive. Whomever is under that garb can move around as a stealth figment for whatever purpose…..
    Reflecting what living in a totally closed society is really like.
    As they say…. Here you can run but you cannot hide! There you CAN hide!

  3. Sarkozy favors law on face-covering Muslim veils
    January 14, 2010

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy says he favors a law regulating the wearing of face- and body-covering veils such as the burqa in France. Sarkozy says “the full veil is not welcome in France because it is contrary to our values and contrary to the ideals we have of a woman’s dignity.”

    Sarkozy says he wants parliament to make a resolution and then a law about the veils. Speaking to legislators Wednesday, he did not explicitly call for a ban. He said “no one should feel stigmatized” by any eventual law.

    A panel of lawmakers has held hearings for six months on the all-encompassing veils that cover all but a woman’s eyes. It is to advise parliament by month’s end whether it believes a law banning such garments is needed.

    http://www.aol.com.au/news/story/Judge-warns-French-burqa-ban-could-spur-violence/2224141/index.html

  4. I don’t usually watch Bill Maher but…

  5. I have read that the burka is not a sign of religion, it is a sign of subservience.The orthodox muslim men instill fear and control over women. Many must loose their teeth and hair as a result of not having enough vitamin D, which comes from the sun. No portion of their skin is ever allowed to be exposed to sunlight.

    My feelings on this issue however – If they want to live in our country, I feel they should live as Ameicans do.We should not have to live to “accept” their way of life. If they want to live by their customs fine, in thier own country. Will I “reform” to accept their customs “never”. This is the United States of America, we are Americans. Is this not the reason we used to let people come to live in America to be an American?

    (Just my two cents)

  6. Leza
    I totally agree with you…..Anyone that immigrates to this country should become Americans…That is what we are.
    I am sure that part of the reason that the women there favor Burquas is that it is a form of protection.
    It is much safer to move around in a violent country under wrap. The older toothless and hairless women probably find it to their advantage to be coverred up,

  7. What the burqa represents to me, besides the subjugation of women, is the redirection of blame and responsibility from the viewer to the viewee.

    The woman is considered to be responsible for the thoughts and feelings of the man who looks at her. If she’s attractive and he gets aroused, then it’s her fault, not his.

    Men can’t control themselves, you see. It’s as if they are considered to be perpetual adolescents in these societies. In fact, if you look at the behavior and attitudes of many of them, it often seems as if the men ARE fixated at about age 13.

    This same point of view leads to blaming rape victims. Rape in Muslim societies isn’t considered rape unless there are four witnesses. (Yuh. Right. How often will that happen?)

    The woman’s word isn’t good enough. Men have to agree that it was rape and that she resisted and that she didn’t “ask for it.”

    The rape victim is the one who shamed or dishonored her family. Not the rapist.

    No, the woman is to blame because she MUST HAVE done something to bring it upon herself.

    It’s a sick, perverted way of viewing women, derived from their status, basically, as property in some societies. It’s no coincidence that such societies used to herd goats, sheep, cattle. Women were treated like just another domestic herd animal. Women were (are sometimes still considered) property; therefore, they must be covered up so that other men can’t enjoy the benefits they offer.

    I know that many Muslim women contend that they choose to cover themselves. If that’s true, then it’s certainly their right to do so. However, I doubt very much whether the choice is TRULY theirs. Best case, they’ve been browbeaten, brainwashed, or have somehow rationalized doing it because it’s easier to go along than to buck the “system.”

  8. This is another viewpoint. I do not think they get it that it is the fully confining, full body covered burqa that we are disussing, not long dresses or covered heads.They are much different. I personally love scarves, just not moving, walking, inhuman packages.

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/23/ban-the-burqa-in-the-u-s-over-my-seldom-worn-yarmulke/

  9. Turkish Teen Buried Alive for Talking to Boys

    Todays world headlines.

    (Feb. 5) – Honor killings are not something new to many people in Turkey. But the death of a 16-year-old girl who was buried alive for talking to boys has been revealed to be a particularly gruesome killing and has stirred strong reactions.

    “The autopsy result is bloodcurdling,” an unidentified official told the Anatolia news agency Thursday, Agence France-Press reported. “According to our findings, the girl — who had no bruises on her body and no sign of narcotics or poison in her blood — was alive and fully conscious when she was buried.”

    The girl’s father and grandfather are to be put on trial for burying her alive, reportedly because they thought her friendship with boys had brought shame and dishonor to the family.

    The body of Medine Memi was found in a sitting position with hands tied in a 6½-foot hole under a chicken coop at the family house in Kahta in southeast Turkey. Police discovered the body following a tip-off 40 days after she went missing, the agency said.

    According to a postmortem examination, the agency added, the girl’s lungs and stomach contained significant amounts of soil, confirming she was alive when she was buried.

    The girl had repeatedly tried to tell the police that she had been beaten by her father and grandfather, the London Times reported today. “She tried to take refuge at the police station three times, and she was sent home three times,” her mother, Immihan, said after the body was discovered in December.

    The girl’s father, the Times added, was reported as saying at the time, “She has male friends. We are uneasy about that.”

    Reaction to the killing was particularly strong in remarks posted on the Web site of a religious television channel, Samanyolu, the London paper reported.

    “The punishment for whosoever should kill with intent is the hell where he will languish forever,” one poster said, adding, “Allah has cursed him and prepared great pain for him.”

    Another comment on the site said, “You named your daughter after the holy city of Medina but your mind is left over from the earlier Age of Ignorance.”

    Honor killings are most prevalent in Turkey’s predominantly Kurdish southeast, the Anatolia agency said. But the practice has spread to cities and even abroad, largely through migration, with cases reported in the U.S. and U.K.
    Filed under: World, Crime

  10. Benaiah // February 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm at Citizen Wells

    A woman with a veil that could have been put to better use
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  11. Benaiah // February 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm from CW’s

    What does the Religion of Peace Teach About… Women Covering Themselves?
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/007-veils.htm

    What the Religion of Peace expects men to do with disobedient women:
    “beat them lightly”
    “scourge them”
    “beat them”

    Translations of the Qur’an Surah 4: AN-NISA (WOMEN)/

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.034

    004.034
    YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

    PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

    SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

  12. Yeah right. We are learning self defense in this home. I pitty the stupid man that thinks he will ever hit ours. He will have his privates damaged forever. He would never hit a woman again….Yep, pitty the stupid man that tries…
    What happens to the nice doggie that gets backed into a corner and hit ? He hates his mean master and one day… CHOMP.

  13. What more proof do you need of their brutality and inhumanity?

    Just popped up in 625 A.D. and still to this day forcing the world to submit.

    Shame on POTUS for standing with this ugliness.

    Intolerable and inhumane.

  14. Burkas don’t belong in western societies

    By Mansoor Ladha, For The Calgary Herald February 23, 2010

    Two burka-wearing bank robbers held up a post office near Paris in early February, using a handgun concealed beneath the face-covering Islamic-style full veil.

    Believing them to be Muslim women, staff allowed the burka-clad pair through the security double doors of the banking branch of the postal office. Once inside, the robbers flipped back their burkas and pulled out a gun. They made off with $6,615 Cdn.

    What’s most amazing about this incident is that the Taliban, or other terrorist groups, don’t more frequently disguise themselves as women in burkas, as this would be the perfect disguise for them. Dress up as women in burkas, mingle with the crowd, plant your bomb at the designated site and vanish. How simple. No one would see your face anyway.

    And therein lies the problem with allowing people to cover their faces in western and free societies.

    I don’t blame the French for being jittery about the burka and for proposing a law that seeks a ban on wearing the burka in all public places.

    Under the proposed law, refusing to take off a face covering could lead to a fine of $1,090.

    The proposal means that a woman seeking unemployment benefits or other state aid, for instance, would walk away empty-handed if she refused to uncover her face. She would also be denied entrance to the local town hall, the bus, the Metro, university classrooms, hospitals or post offices.

    Among France’s five million Muslims, only a fraction of them — 1,900 — wear burkas.

    It is believed among them are those who are more traditionalist and very staunch in their fundamental beliefs.

    They are generally the less educated and less progressively minded. For example, there were reports in France of confrontations in hospital settings in which a husband refused to allow his wife to be treated by a male doctor.

    What on Earth are people like that doing living in France?

    The French government is so adamant about enforcing the burka legislation that recently they denied citizenship to a foreign national who forced his wife to wear the full Islamic veil.

    I venture to suggest that this indicates to me that there is a need to educate the Muslim population in France and inform them that society has moved into the 21st century.

    The beliefs that they hold are no longer valid in modern societies. They have to move ahead to live according to the laws, practices and rules of the country of their adoption.

    One cannot be a guest or new citizen in a country and expect not to abide by their rules.

    Immigrants should not expect to live the way they lived in their own countries.

    If they want to live in a modern and democratic state like France, then they have to accept that modern countries treat their men and women under equality of law; and that subservient views will have no place in modern
    societies.

    No one is dictating to Muslim women what to wear or not to wear. The issue is that the clothing that these women are wearing hides their faces and hence their identity, which causes problems. This is the crux of the matter.

    On the other side of the coin, we also have decency laws whereby the same countries, which believe in equality of men and women, would not allow women to parade topless on their streets or would arrest men for indecent
    exposure.

    The onus also lies on the Muslim leadership in France to educate their congregations that burkas have nothing to do with Islam and that even the Qur’an does not say that one has to wear burkas.

    Imams and mullahs should launch an aggressive campaign in mosques to greatly help alleviate the problem and assist the French authorities to solve the problem.

    A time has also come when the state should ensure that Muslim women have access to educational facilities, even on a part-time basis.

    The more education they have, the more broad minded they will become and hence there will be fewer tendencies on their part to wear the burka. Education means progress.

    The burka comes from the Middle East and if people want to wear it, they should go live where it is accepted.

    As a wise man once said, “if I had two children, one a boy and one a girl and if I had the means to educate only one of them, I would educate the girl because when you educate the girl, you educate a family.”

    As the saying goes, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Well, my Muslim brethren, as the French are saying, when in France do as the French want you to do!

    Mansoor Ladha is a freelance journalist and author living in Calgary.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com

    • Sarkozy says, Then leave…

      http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2488&catid=191&Itemid=68

      Sleuth, at Sesame Street in Langhorne, PA, I saw women in the water park with burqas on. It was at least 100 degrees and the reason we took the kids there. They were with their hubbies, the hairy guys wearing shrunken speedos. It was so disconcerting. What a joke.

      Do you remember a couple of years ago, a woman in Florida sued because she couldn’t get a drivers license because she was wearing a burqa and said she was being discriminated against because of her religion. So much for photo ID…hahahaha

  15. I don’t have a problem with women wearing Burquas full or otherwise if it is the woman’s choice, not by peer pressure or family pressures to do so. In the Muslim religion it is supposed to be the woman’s choice and a means by which to keep herself covered for humility in the site of God. It is to remind her to be humble and not prideful at all times. But I do have a problem if she is being forced into wearing it because of others.
    Many of the young girls in Egypt would cover their heads but then wear the tightest shirts and pants that would show off every curve of their bodies. To me this is a contradiction and they shouldn’t even cover their heads if they wear such reveling tight clothes. I’m not saying that they couldn’t have worn looser clothing, covered their heads and to me that would have been acceptable instead of wearing the full burqa dress.
    I respect the woman who wear the burqa, full or otherwise, if it is for the right reasons and I do not have a problem with them wearing it in the US. But it does make them stand out and it makes one more apt to stay some distance away from them and not be as friendly as you would to a normal dressed woman. But then again we have sub cultures in the US that dress a certain way that normal people tend to stay away from those people also. For example…the punk rockers & bikers from when I was growing up, now it is the Goth look, gangs, and ect., who have had their own unique type of dress that makes them stand out and be avoided. Being American doesn’t mean you dress a certain way and while we are the melting pot there has been emphasis to retain your cultural heritage, religion, and customs.

  16. Where I live, middle eastern men always wear western clothes and never wear middle eastern attire, just the women with their head scarves and sometimes burquas.

    I see the gals in burquas where the fabric covers the sides of their faces blocking their peripheral vision so they have to swing their heads around to see. It doesn’t seem safe to me. When they drive, cross streets and watch their kids they swing their heads around like Obama reading his teleprompters.

    There’s a Saudi Arabian princess here in town and SHE doesn’t wear a headscarf or burqua!!!

  17. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/04/islam-in-the-family-twodayold-girl-killed-in-honour-killing-not-uncommon-in-muslim-turkey.html

    I put it over here. Thank you ! We need burqa bombers here too as those burqas look to be costumes for terror now.

  18. Now we discuss the next step (which is illegal)
    Taking it to the street;
    http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933

  19. Blocking the streets in Paris ?

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