Top of the Mornin’ and Happy St. Patrick’s Day (Open Thread)

If a man who cannot count finds a four-leaf clover, is he lucky? 

~Stanislaw J. Lec

Anyone acquainted with Ireland knows that the morning of St. Patrick’s Day consists of the night of the seventeenth of March flavored strongly with the morning of the eighteenth. 

~Author Unknown

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For each petal on the shamrock
This brings a wish your way -
Good health, good luck, and happiness
For today and every day.
~Author Unknown

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What do you get when you cross poison ivy

with a four-leaf clover? 

A rash of good luck.

~Author Unknown


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May your blessings outnumber
The shamrocks that grow,
And may trouble avoid you
Wherever you go.

~Irish Blessing

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Oh, Paddy, dear, an’ did ye hear the news that’s goin’ round?
The shamrock is forbid by law to grow on Irish ground!
No more St. Patrick’s Day we’ll keep, his colour can’t be seen,
For there’s a cruel law agin’ the Wearin’ o’ the green.

~Author Unknown

May the Irish hills caress you.
May her lakes and rivers bless you.
May the luck of the Irish enfold you.
May the blessings of Saint Patrick behold you.

~Irish Blessing

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WTPOTUS Wishes You a Fun and Green St. Paddy’s Day!

Here’s to having some corn beef and cabbage, soda bread,

Irish stew and some wonderful Irish brew!

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201 responses to “Top of the Mornin’ and Happy St. Patrick’s Day (Open Thread)

    • Excellent Kittycat77.

      Yep, its the proof in the puddin” all along.

      that goes, for Ben Shapiro of Brietbart, the NY Times, Glenn Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, Michelle Malkin and all the complicit journalists as well as SCOTUS and Congress and all our Governors.

      It is the proof that our country is under siege by a usurper.

      its as simple as 1, 2, 3.

      They know. We know. And they know we know.

      Where’s that plaque in front of the Birth Hospital and the House where barky was born? ohhhhh.

    • Heard you had some storms. You must be OK as it looks like you posted very late last night or early this morn. Saw couple of those twisters on the news last night. Anywhere near you?

      • Sorry that I’m just getting back to you, alfy.
        No, I don’t think we had any tornadoes at all. If we had some forming, I was sleeping, but the thunder kept waking me up all night off and on. It was so loud, and the lightning was awful. We had tons of rain. Our little creek down under the hill from us looks like a lake. You can’t pass on the little bridge that goes over it.

    • It’s basically what this guy said a few days before and it makes PERFECT sense. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/why_obamas_birth_certificate_matters_especially_now.html

  1. All,

    Please keep Kittycat in your thoughts and prayers tonight.

    Very strong storms approaching her area now, and a tornado watch is posted in advance of a potent cold front.

    Watching her radar from MA and trying to keep her posted. Hope she and her family are in a safe place.

  2. I am just beside myself. I’m going to state something that several of you may not agree with, but I’m going to say it anyway. CBS just ran a clip of Romney stating that he doesn’t understand why any young person would vote for a Democrat, because THEY DON’T WANT TO END SOCIAL SECRUITY. The Republican elite are wealth mongers that want to take away the Social Security and Pensions that AMERICANS have EARNED! IT’s the same thing that the Corporate world did years ago when they would declare bankruptcy, reorganize under another name, layoff workers temporiarly and SEIZE ALL OF THEIR PENSIONS. Social Security is a GOOD program! It is not broken. What is wrong with it, is all the money that has been stollen from it to pay to the Elite’s croney’s. (Republican & Democrat) They don’t want to pay back what they borrowed from Social Security. Either way we are doomed. I for one will NEVER vote for ROMNEY and many others will not either. All the Democrats have to do is play that clip over and over and OBAMA WINS AGAIN! I feel so helpless. I can see all the evil that has taken over both sides of our Government and I am at a loss for anything that can be done to stop it. God has told us that PRAYER and REPENTANCE is the answer. I think we better GET ON OUR KNEES.

    • If that’s what he said, then he has a great way of shooting himself in the foot. I cannot see how this can be a mistake. It’s almost as if he’s designed to lose. Like McLame, who would not let Sarah FIGHT.

      ROMNEY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT CBS AND ALL THE LAMESTREAM WILL CAREFULLY EDIT TO MISREPRESENT WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT HE MEANT. I guarantee that’s what they did and it was DESIGNED to MAKE YOU BE BESIDE YOURSELF. That’s their plan. Don’t fall for it. They are not on Romney’s side or on our side. They are on the side of the communists.

      You’re correct when you say that Social Security is not broken, but the problem is that they STOLE our money and replaced it with IOU’s that they DON’T WANT TO HONOR NOW.

      What Romney is talking about is NOT to go back on the deal with those who have paid in already. They WILL pay us what we’re due. Believe me. They WILL.

      But they want to fix this socialist Ponzi scheme by taking it out of the hands of the government. They do THAT by allowing the younger people to CONTROL THEIR OWN INVESTMENTS. If they give them 401k-like accounts, then the Congress won’t be able to STEAL THEIR MONEY to use it to reward their supporters or fund their pet projects. THIS IS WHY THE DEMOCRATS OPPOSE PRIVATIZATION OF THE SYSTEM: They want to keep control, to keep the ability to steal the funds and leave an IOU behind, to be able to redistribute to their supporters. It’s the same reason they want to control your health care, your energy usage, the Internet, what you eat: Control. Communism. The nanny state.

      With privatization, which they adamantly oppose, the PEOPLE control their own assets. They decide where to invest. They control their own contributions and savings.

      The DemocRATS despise people having control over their own lives. They want to control your money. Social Security was the camel’s nose under the tent to make everyone dependent. It was a Ponzi scheme designed to fail. They extended it and extended it into areas where it was never planned to go. Did they originally plan on all these people being “disabled” because they claim a back injury? Did they originally plan on all these CHILDREN being labeled “disabled” so they collect “crazy checks”? That’s part of the progressives’ Cloward-Piven strategy to get as many people on that system as possible in order TO BANKRUPT IT. In some places, being on disability is a way of life (Puerto Rico, e.g.).

      The money IS there. The problem is that to pay us our benefits, they MUST cut their prized programs and the DemocRATS don’t want to do it. They like the control. They like being able to corruptly reward their supporters so they keep power. They don’t want to give up that money and the control over it. They don’t want to give up their power to take your money and redistribute it as THEY SEE FIT. They are Nazi, fascist, communists.

      So their solution will be to reduce benefits, make us work longer, and ration our health care.

      But letting the younger people use a different, privatized system is a way to fix the SOCIALIST system that Social Security is. It comes down to a choice: Who is better able to decide what to do with your own money than you are?

      So long as there’s a safety net, I’m for people being autonomous and not for the nanny state, which is what Social Security is. Or what it has become.

      The Republican proposals are to continue the system for anybody who wants to stay in it, but to allow those under 50 (maybe it’s 55) to go with a private account that they control.

      I wish that right now, I could cash in my Social Security. Get back every cent that I and my employers paid in on my behalf, so that I can invest it or do with it what I wish and so that the likes of Dick Durbin won’t be spending my money on boondoggles.

      Now Dick has the same attitude about student loans. He wants to let the students who took loans they can’t afford to pay back off the hook. Same attitude as the government thinking they can steal our SS contributions, spend them, and then not pay them back. Same attitude as them handing an average of $100,000 to people who took out loans on houses they could not afford and now they find themselves “under water”. Well, where will Dick get the money for all these perks he’s handing out? Borrow it from the SS “trust fund.” Remove that money from Dick’s control and you remove his ability to redistribute it to destroy our Republic.

      Dick was involved in that Social Security database being disappeared, too. Look who is pressuring Ancestry to remove the SS#’s from display: http://media2.abc2news.com/12-1-11AncestrycomTim%20Sullivan.pdf Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, Dick Durbin, and Bill Nelson. WHY?

      Don’t fall for the DemocRATS sound bites. Romney is lame but he doesn’t want to take away our Social Security. That’s just a lie they’re putting out there to make you react as you have reacted.

      That said, I could SCREAM whenever I hear Romney play into their hands. Paul Ryan should be out there explaining as only he can. NOT ROMNEY.

      Romney is a mistake waiting to happen. He’s the selected ond. Selected to lose.

      SANTORUM is far, far better. There’s a reason why people are chanting “FREEDOM” at his rallies.

      • Good answer, Miri. Even the most small-government, libertarian candidate ever in the race has never threatened to take Social Security away from retired people, or even those close to retirement.
        You know, I took a retirement finance seminar a couple of years ago and the instructor was talking in general about the government system being in trouble, etc and how to fix the SS problems.
        I said, if I were given the option in my 40′s to stop paying into the system and waive my rights to any future payments, I would do it and invest what I was no longer paying in. Win-win, right? The “system” gets to keep my contributions up to that point (and distribute them to those who really need it) and I take full responsibility for myself in my later years. He looked at me like I must be crazy.

        • TY. It’s so crazy how Romney just plays into their hands by GIVING them a sentence that they can misrepresent. I could SCREAM. I am screaming! It comes down to this. It’s simple:

          FREEDOM

          or

          TYRANNY.

      • Great answer, Miri. Only thing I would add is the Dems will soon be jumping on the band wagon for a form of privatization and it being 401Ks. the reason is they have their eye on that prize already. There already has been changes where companies pension plans have had to move over/adapt into the 401K’s. Mark my words, the communists have their eye on handling those monies (laundering so to speak). Pensions across the country have changed as of April 1st. I don’t know exactly why but were told government mandates/changes caused it. So, this means no more pension accrued as of that date. Instead of pension the company matches your contributions and puts a smaller percentage in quarterly toward your retirement. Now, ask why the change? Somewhere the law has changed, I suppose, and greedy “red” paws are gonna have permission to grab, oops I mean borrow, it! Also, the withdrawal rules will change to make it not yours AT ALL, even though “privatized” until you reach the government-approved retirement age. The Dems are working on changing the meaning of privatization and then will be all for it while most of the country will agree because we are operating on the original meaning. (Sorry, not too ordered in thought as wrote without organizing….a mini rant)

        • Oh, yeah. I remember that one, too. GRA’s or something like that. They want to SEIZE everybody’s pensions and savings and put them into “guaranteed retirement accounts.” This was invented by one of his commie czars. I wrote about it a while back.

          http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/americas-bloodless-coup-detat-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-13390

          Barry Rand, president of AARP, is on board. Of course, some of the links have been scrubbed. Hilda Solis and Taxcheat Geithner. Here’s a link that still works: http://johnboehner.house.gov/News/DocumentPrint.aspx?DocumentID=183931

          “Congressman John Boehner (R-West Chester) and members of the House GOP Savings Solutions Group sent a letter to Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warning the Obama Administration that the government should keep its hands off of the retirement savings of Americans, and should reject proposals that would dismantle or nationalize the private 401(k) system in favor of a government-run retirement security regime. Several Administration officials, including the Vice President, have voiced support for efforts to create so-called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” or impose new government mandates which would undermine 401(k) retirement savings plans and jeopardize employers’ willingness to continue offering them to their workers. Boehner issued the following statement:

          “The American people are asking ‘where are the jobs?’ They aren’t asking for job-killing policies that jeopardize their retirement savings. Unfortunately, Washington Democrats are pursuing policies that make it more difficult to offer 401(k) savings plans to their workers, and some are even advocating replacing them with government-run accounts and ending 401(k)s altogether. That’s unacceptable and not the solution Americans need at a time when they are still rebuilding their retirement, college, and personal savings.”

          • By the changes that just took place at our company it looks like it may have already happened, hidden in some obscure bill or somewhere, signed/voted in secret. It is there, just not out in the daylight yet.

  3. Great answer Miri.

    • TY. I wasn’t jumping on Kathy. I’m just so upset about how LAME the Republicans are, and especially Romney. How many times is he going to HAND THEM THE SOUND BITES? Can we have somebody like Sarah who can beat them at their own game, PLEASE?????

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  6. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/occupy-midwest-goons-close-conference-but-not-before-vandalizing-historic-st-louis-landmarks/

    This is infuriating and so far there’s been a media blackout until the “pajamas media” in the form of Gateway Pundit forces them to “report”. OWS trashed the gates to a wealthy subdivision last year and the idiots who lived there made the same excuses for them as now: They’re stressed. They’re angry. We don’t know WHO did it or WHY. So the St. Louis Post-Dispatch similarly makes excuses for the Poopstockers. The TV news actually, this very morning, LIED about the St. Patrick’s Day parade which WAS DISRUPTED BY POOPSTOCKERS WHO HAD TO BE TOSSED BY THE POLICE. The news reporter said there were “no major disruptions” in the parade. See how cute they are? They say it wasn’t “major” that they disrupted the family-oriented parade. In whose opinion? So now, the St. Louis newspaper online IS reporting this vandalism. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-park-hit-by-pro-occupy-graffiti/article_d002952a-7295-11e1-86b7-001a4bcf6878.html

    I wonder if they’ll tell us how much it costs the city to repair? That statue is over 100 years old. Eddie Roth, the guy whose home was also vandalized, is a DemocRAT, as is the entire government of the city of St. Louis. So he’s being attacked, too, even though they have gone out of their way to play favorites for the Poopstockers. Just this morning, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran an editorial criticizing the Tea Partiers for being “angry”! It’s hilarious. But the Poopstockers must be excused, because they’re “angry”. I guess theirs is considered “righteous” anger.

  7. And I WAS going to go see his new movie:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/wite-house-apologizes-for-deniros-racist-remarks-at-first-lady-fundraiser/

    “The Obama Administration was forced to apologize today following Robert DeNiro’s racist comments at yesterday’s fundraiser. … The campaign’s comment came after Newt Gingrich delivered a scorching response to De Niro’s comments at an Obama for America fundraiser, which was attended by first lady Michelle Obama.

    While Michelle Obama headlined the event, she was introduced after De Niro’s remarks. The event was also attended by a number of other prominent Obama supporters, including Harvey Weinstein and Beyonce.

    Callista Gingrich. Karen Santorum. Ann Romney. Now do you really think our country is ready for a white first lady?” De Niro asked to cheers from the crowd. “Too soon, right?”

    Speaking Tuesday, Gingrich labeled the comments “inexcusable,” and called on Obama to apologize.

    “I do want to say one thing, both on behalf of my wife and on behalf of Karen Santorum and on behalf of Ann Romney, I think that Robert De Niro’s wrong,” Gingrich said. “I think the country is ready for a new first lady and he doesn’t have to describe it in racial terms.””

    Hmm. I wonder who produced his new movie? Should we organize a boycott of any theatre that runs it? What say u? Racist pigs.

    • “Focus Features (formerly USA Films, Universal Focus and Good Machine) is the art house films division of NBCUniversal’s Universal Pictures, and acts as both a producer and distributor for its own films and a distributor for foreign films.”

      That’s where DeNiro’s latest film is from. A division of NBC. NBC. Immelt. Watch FOX.

      If Limbaugh must suffer for his statements, then why are progressives exempt?

    • Today, DeNiro apologizes and it almost sounds AS IF the offended person is Michelle Obama. This is how the lamestream is spinning it. Michelle was offended and DeNiro may not be asked to the WH ever again. So, it’s not “whites” or the other candidates’ wives who were insulted. It was Michelle. Amazing.

  8. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-house-admits-to-asking-news-agencies-to-pull-malia-obama-vacation-story/

    Malia went to Mexico on spring break, despite the US government having a travel advisory against going (gee, sounds like Pahk-ee-stahn 1981) but she went anyway, along with 25 Secret Service agents and who knows what else that will cost us a pretty penny. But get this, the WH admits to asking the media to PULL THE STORIES THEY WROTE, AND THEY DID! Santorum weighed in, saying it’s a bad example to let her go because it sets an example that might make others ignore the ban. What about the freaking example of the media just ditching legitimate stories just because Barry says so? Talk about Pravda! Pravda is more free than our media. I’m sure their excuse is her safety but the REAL STORY is that they don’t want what she does down there COVERED and they don’t want the taxpayers to know what it’s costing us. First MO traipses around on our dime. Now the daughters. It’s ridiculous. I don’t really care what the kids do, but it’s the gagging the media and them GOING ALONG WITH IT that gets me.

    • http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-is-the-story-about-malia-obama-vacationing-in-mexico-disappearing-from-the-web/

      Screen shots of the disappeared stories at that link. Even the foreign media have ditched their stories. Now that’s power. WTF is going on?

    • I guess the secret service were the babysitters as well as the protectors of 12 kids in Mexico! Going to a foreign country WITHOUT the parents? What were the Obama’s thinking? AGE THIRTEEN! I guess the beaches in Florida weren’t nice enough for an Obama kid. Perhaps she’s been there before. All the friend’s parents agreed to letting their kids go? Free passage for them via a phone call to the drug cartels? Imagine the cost to the taxpayers for this trip. Allowing a young minor to go alone without parental supervision is unconscionable.

      • Well, she’s soon to be 14. I know. I was lucky my parents let me go for a pajama party at that age. I remember begging to be allowed to go over Halloween to a friend’s house, out in the suburbs (gasp!), and sleep over so we could trick or treat. (Yeah, I know. Kind of old for trick or treating, but it was my last year.) Then again, Mom wouldn’t have worried much if I had 25 armed Secret Service Agents watching over me. You just KNOW that the reason they want no publicity is because, during this time of economic uncertainty and Barry’s poll numbers falling, they don’t want to draw attention to the party-on, party like it’s 1999 attitude of these “swells”.

        • My mom WOULD have worried with 25 agents only watching over me. You DO NOT send girls on trips alone with men. PERIOD. Even more so if as parents, we don’t know, personally all of the adults — really know.

          • Good point but I imagine there are female secret service agents. One would hope, anyway! Remember Natalee. She was 18. And with a group that included teachers, but no armed agents.

      • Did any parents go? Teachers? Someone besides the agents? How about Grandma? Please say SOMEONE?

        • Nobody will EVER know now, because they have been censored. Self-censored or truly censored by being “reminded”. The kind of reminders that Luca Brasi gave?

      • Another thing. I would be pissed if I was the wife of one of those agents. Sheet! I have a daughter here that needs her Dad and he has to go to another country to be Dad to the King’s daughter.

    • ‘The children are off-limits’: White House in fury over Rick Santorum for attacking Malia Obama’s trip to Mexico
      March 22, 2012 snips

      Barack Obama responded Wednesday with shock to Rick Santorum’s recent criticisms that the President was an irresponsible parent for sending his daughter to Mexico. [I totally agree and they were irresponsible and that is being kind!]

      President Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, ripped the Republican presidential candidate for raising an issue about Malia Obama’s recent school trip. She blasted Mr Santorum for targeting the child on the campaign trail.[He targeted the parents!]

      Ms Cutter told MSNBC: ‘I think that children, for candidate purposes, have always been off-limits in presidential campaigns, and really any campaign. ‘I’m surprised that Rick Santorum wouldn’t agree with that.’ {Scream Left …where were you when it was your side that were after Sarah’s kids?]
      ~
      Mr Santorum went on to say: ‘You should set an example. I think that’s what presidents do. They set an example. And when the government is saying this is not safe, then you don’t set the example by sending your kids down there.’

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118865/Children-limits-White-House-fury-Rick-Santorum-attacking-Malia-Obamas-trip-Mexico.html

  9. Can you stand another Bill Ayers’s story? This one has an interesting fact about Dohrn. She didn’t get a law license because she WOULD NOT SAY SHE WAS SORRY FOR HER TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/bill-ayers-declassified/?utm_source=Western+Journalism&utm_campaign=0c1217a190-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

    • How did the writer get access to the information and why isn’t a copy of the information in the article?

      Who stopped the SF police from continuing their investigation of Ayers and Dohrn? These two are still walking around free and not charged with treason and a multitude of other crimes! Ayres was teaching someone’s children his sick views of America. Luckily, he is out of the field, but what did he spawn while he was “teaching.”

    • Full-blown media cover-up of hottest U.S. story
      Family of former terrorist allegedly put ‘foreign-born’ Obama through school
      March 20 Published: 1 hour ago

      Though Media Matters and other pro-Obama outlets such as the Democratic Underground are reacting in full mock-and-ridicule mode, WND’s report today – featuring video of a retired Illinois postman who claims former terrorist Bill Ayers’ parents told him they were financially supporting “foreign student” Barack Obama through Harvard – is one of the hottest, most-read news stories in the world. At one point today, the Web information company Alexa ranked the story as the fifth hottest page on the Internet.

      The establishment media, meanwhile, have completely ignored the story, and when news-agenda-setter Matt Drudge posted it on his Drudge Report, liberal watchdogs Media Matters and the Democratic Underground quickly unleashed scorn on Drudge.

      The Democratic Underground urged Republican presidential front-runner Mitt Romney to condemn Drudge for posting the Obama-Ayers story.

      Media Matters dismissed the story as unserious.“As always, this is all farcical and amusing, but allegations like these are still treated seriously by people like Matt Drudge, who is currently featuring the Corsi story on his site,” Media Matters said.

      A blog called Newscorpse.com, an apparent play on Rupert Murdoch’s News Corps, the parent of the Fox News Channel, ran this headline: “New Obama Conspiracy Theory Tests The Limits Of Idiocy.”
      cont.
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/full-blown-media-cover-up-of-hottest-u-s-story/

      • Oh, somebody must have hit a real obot nerve. Why in the heck should Romney condemn Drudge for posting the story? If it’s false, PROVE IT’S FALSE. They can’t, so they attack the messenger. It’s all they CAN DO.

    • This paragraph stands out; insightful and one to keep in back pocket for discussions with Progs: “If you have any doubt about their visceral disdain for America’s white males, especially its cops, consider what the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG) told the WUO. “Look for the person who fights hardest against the cops. . .don’t look for the one who says the best thing. Look for the one who fights.” So when President Obama disparaged the police who arrested a fellow black academic, Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., in 2009, he was responding in kind by saying the officer “acted stupidly.””

  10. A response to the Commie movie:

    The Road We’ve Travelled

  11. i read somewhere that barack obama translated into hebrew means lightining from above, which is a term used to describe how satan comes down to earth.
    just thought it was interesting to note that santorum means saint and is the nickname given to someone born on all saint’s day.
    quite a striking dichotomy, no?

    • Aren’t there guest quarters on AF One? The weirdness continues unabated.

    • So now we know who Barry was talking about when he said, “Pretty!”, as the Camerons de-limo-ed at the WH that enchanted evening. And here we thought he meant the Mrs.

  12. Obama is making a trip to South Korea to the demarcation line that separates North Korea ( communist) and South Korea. Supposedly it is to give the North the message that we are fully supportive of South Korea. Our military is still there…you don’t think they already know? Another strange and peculiar trip for the usurper. Maybe he will step on the wrong side and be taken into custody by the North Korean military.

  13. Everyone,

    First of all, Kittycat is fine after a rockin’ night with those storms.

    Next, my cousin sent me this link to Fellowship of the Minds; it upset her. This is a new one on me.

    Anyone have anything on this huge gub’mint ammunition buy?

    https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/why-did-the-dhs-just-order-450-million-rounds-of-40-caliber-ammunition/

    • Well, I suppose first order of business would be to check it out. Is this unusual or business as usual? Somebody’d have to go look at the history of such contracts. I know NOTHING about ammunition or guns. One could speculate that they’re trying to corner the market on ammo. Buy up all that could possibly be made and sold in the USA. One industry that has THRIVED under Obama is the gun industry and the ammo industry. Anybody know about this stuff?

      • Do they know how many people are in the USA? Just sayin’. The thing is: I imagine they blow through a lot of ammo during training. DHS includes what? Border patrol? TSA, Customs, Coast Guard, Secret Service, FEMA, Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, Cybersecurity (why would they need guns?). What kind of rifles are these?

        • Lots of weaponry used 40 caliber, but the most is smith wesson (and others)side arms.

          • I don’t remember which brances of government are not supposed to use hollow point bullets, so it would be interesting to know more details. Where did the report come from?

        • it’s ammunition for the standard sidearms and rifles used by most law enforcement agencies, which every officer has to qualify on. initial training for officers is about 6 months for each agency under DHS. you go through a ton of rounds during training and qualification with each weapon. then there is at least annual continuing training. then there are specialty units, swat team types which are constantly training and use a lot of live rounds.

          as far as the contract, it’s a pretty standard option contract and having a term which allows for varying the amount purchased based on market conditions and other factors is also very common in these types of commercial contracts.

          i would look at the governments history of ammunition purchases and determine how much they’ve purchased in the past before getting concerned.

          • haydon, I agree, the guy ordering teachey was appointed by Obama I think. But those other rifle ammunition, that’s another thing. Those are for assault type weapons and the military doesn’t use em anymore much.That’s also why I said it depends on type of 40 caliber too. It didn’t say.

          • Thanks, Hayden, for the info.

            The timing of this massive ammo buy just seemd a bit odd.

      • Department of Homeland Security agents are issued 40 calibers and now that US coast guard is part of DHS they are issued it as well. 70% of American law inforcement also issued 40 caliber…..and common military law enforcemet. It is used in a variety of weaponry. There’s lots of typed of 40 caliber. That would be the question.
        And just a wild guess but pretty soon if the laws get thru all ammunition made in US will probably dwindle away, because they want to out law lead in ammunition (EPA does). And China has the other largest market, and when we go to tungsten (stee),,,, that’s what China has the most of. Remember recently there was something about China and their mineral rights or market . I can’t remember but I wondered if it had anything to do with the tungsten which will give them almost the sole market for manufacturing ammunition for everywhere. That’s not good.

        • I don’t usually listen to infowars, but this was interesting re gun sales by citizens.

          Massive Gun Run After Obama Impeachment

          Talking about the impeachment law that was recently submitted by Rep. Jones. Gun sales have risen 60% since Obama took office. Smith and Wesson – are 6 weeks behind in the manufacturing of guns. Surging gun sales by people fearful of Obama reelection.

          China passed a law mirroring the law passed on NDAA in the US.

          • Well, that figures. China chooses to emulate the US on the single most dictatorial and unconstitutional “law” passed in our history. So now we’re a role model for the Red Chinese, instead of vice versa (thinking of Anita here).

          • M.F. Global. http://www.dailyyonder.com/tuesday-roundup-they-got-away-it/2012/03/13/3809

            A good portion of the $1.6 billion that went missing during the last days of MF Global came from farmers. They had accounts with the company, buying and selling futures to hedge the bets on their crops.

            (Remember, MF Global was led by former Democratic Sen. Jon Corzine of New Jersey.)

            During the last days of the company, somebody at MF took this money — money held in individual accounts — and used it to cover MF losses. That money is gone and, according to New York Times columnist Joe Nocera, “there is virtually no chance that the full amount will ever be recovered.”

            Now, Nocera, writes, it looks like nobody will be prosecuted. More than $1.6 billion was taken and nobody will be charged. …

            ‘Azam Ahmed and Ben Protess, who have done a remarkable job covering the MF Global bankruptcy for The Times, wrote an article suggesting that prosecutors were having trouble putting together a criminal case against anyone at MF Global. So far, wrote Ahmed and Protess, they’d been “unable to find a smoking gun.” In fact, they continued, “a number of federal prosecutors have expressed doubts” that MF Global “intentionally misused customer money.” Apparently, the current theory is that it was all just a big accident, the chaos of those final days causing the firm’s executives to tap into customer funds without realizing it.’”

            A big accident. It was, dare I say it? “Sloppy.” Whoops! Corzine. Corruption. Globalists. Theft. War on farmers.

        • Then again, with the Executive Order O. just handed down about new laws regarding Marshall and Emergency law (?) and all that ammunition (civil law may become jepardized), maybe the O. administration knows something we don’t know. What might they be preparing for? What are the worried about or PLANNING for OCTOBER?

      • Huge increase around here of upstanding citizens getting their concealed carry permits and buying handguns. Forcing a shortage? Attempt at forced-rationing of ammo?

        • That’s a thought. They have always believed that they can defeat the Second Amendment by controlling ammunition instead of guns, as if the Second Amendment doesn’t cover ammo, too. The right of the “PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” Taking away or registering ammo, INFRINGES that right. Ammunition is THE integral part of the “arms” We the People have the constitutional right to “bear.” They lost in their gambit of parsing “militia” to mean NOT individuals but only those in the National Guard, so this is their next strategy.Where would Washington have been without gunpowder for the muskets?

          They haven’t been able yet to control or register ammo sales, so maybe they’re working on cornering the entire market. People ARE stockpiling ammo. If you don’t believe it, just go to any rural area where guns and ammo are sold. Ask anybody who works there. There’s already a shortage. Making a MASSIVE and ongoing federal order for ammo will certainly force a shortage. That’s so much more reliable for the manufacturer. No need to work for sales. And the government can just take it all and pitch it at the bottom of the ocean, if they want to. It keeps it out of the hands of the people.

          THEN, they CAN AND WILL control ammo coming into the US from elsewhere, by their customs and trade regulations. Is it possible to go to Mexico or Canada via auto and buy and bring back ammo? Let me take a guess.

          This will NOT stop the People, though. Ever resourceful, people already know how to make their own ammo. The Second Amendment is THE BULWARK WE THE PEOPLE HAVE AGAINST THIS GLOBALIST TAKEOVER, MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF THE GLOBALISTS.

          • registering ammo infringes rights but so does registering your firearms but we do it. How can a citizenry take up arms against a hostile government if the usurpers know who has what? Without permits one gets their pretty little ass in jail for carrying an “illegal” weapon. Americans do not have the “right” to bear arms today. If the government has the “right” or authority to say yes or no as to whether or not it is legal for you to buy/own a gun, there is no right. Lost second amendment a long time ago.

          • They think we did but we didn’t. And we never will.

          • And you have to go thru a bunch to get a permit to make ammunition too.

    • that web site says ordering .223 ammo…..that’s rifle amo. That used to be military rifle but now mostly used for hunting,but it’s harder to use for large animals (humans?) like deer…….that’s because this was more of an assault weapon….in other words close range rifle shooting….Hmmm? Now what do they need this one for? When do we get our newly trained civil defense youth that Obama’s been calling for….to help law inforcement?

  14. This goes along with someone else’s posting earlier upthread — this one or another recent thread. http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/03/20/besides-the-postman-video-jerome-corsi-has-another-about-obama/

    Off topic note: It is too bad WND, Breitbart, Ezra Klein, Etc., each don’t support and report each others’ findings/reports. Keeping things territorial amongst the investigative sites is a big part of the lack of vetting process. Much of the the stuff being vetted now is resurfaced stuff that was out there in 2008 but noon wanted to listen because it was ‘the other’ person reporting it. Each find “labeled crazy” stuff but at the same time does want to be identified with those that others think “crazy”.

    • Much of the the stuff being vetted now is resurfaced stuff that was out there in 2008 but noon wanted to listen because it was ‘the other’ person reporting it…..
      A major problem…..

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