What Do Kenyan Ministers Know that Americans Don’t Know? (Open Thread)

Posted By Bridgette

Who Should We Believe?

Obama or Kenya’s Government Officials?        

James Orengo , Lands Minister, Kenya

Hoping as we were to find out exactly who Barack Obama is and to have his legitimate, valid documents presented to the Court in Georgia last Thursday;  we still don’t know his real name, his origins, or anything else about his background,  other than what was presented in his fictionalized book, Dreams, and the information presented on a forged birth certificate.   Perhaps we should look again to African officials who gave unsolicited statements about Barack Obama.  When these officials  spoke, it appears they did not know that the U.S.  Constitution has strict requirements for the Office of the President.  For if they knew,  it is doubtful they would have  spoken on the record as they did.   What government holds the answers?

Current Minister of Kenyan Government Declared Obama Was born here in Kenya” and is not a “Native American!”

Reprinted with Permission
© By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
April 11, 2010

Kenyan Minister, Dr. Bonny Khalwale,  stated on the record on  April 14,  2010 in the Kenyan National Assembly that “Obama should repatriate himself to Kenya!”

The President and Commander-in-Chief of the USA must be a “Natural Born” Citizen —

U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, No Person except a natural born Citizen, or  a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

The Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758.  Used by Ben Franklin, John Jay, George Washington, and others. Vol.1, Ch.19, Section 212: “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

Obama’s Father was NOT a U.S. Citizen, nor was he an Immigrant to the USA, nor was he even a Permanent Resident of the USA.

Obama is NOT an Article II Natural Born Citizen and,  therefore,  is NOT Eligible to be President.

A debate on the adoption of a new Kenyan Constitution took place in the House of the National Assembly of Kenya on Thursday, March 25, 2010. The Official Report of that House, dated Thursday, March 25, 2010,  and recorded in the Kenyan government’s depository, Hansard- the official source of printed transcripts of parliamentary debates-provides the details of that debate.

One of the speakers (see pages 29-31) during that debate was The Minister for Lands, Mr. James Orengo.   Ironically, and very applicable to us in the USA at this time, he expressed to the Parliament in open debate that “[i]f we do not live by the values and principles contained in this Constitution, all that is contained in this Constitution will be of no significance.”   He continued saying that Kenyans must follow the rule of law and especially the Constitution, stating that the “unmaking of Kenya began by disregard and non-compliance of the law. We ended up in a dictatorship that we had to fight for so many years….” He further explained that under the new proposed Constitution, the “Executive authority of the President … is derived from the people….”

He then continued to tell the Parliament that Kenya must overcome its problem of elements of its population excluding people from participating in Kenyan life because of their ethnicity or tribal affiliations. He asked that all Kenyans unite, regardless of ethnic or tribal affiliations, stating:  “The other thing that we are addressing through devolution is exclusion. What has made us suffer as a nation is exclusion.  Once people feel excluded, even when you want to employ a policeman or constable or you want to build a dispensary, it must come from the centre.   In the colonial days, these things were being done on the ground and they could give bursaries and build roads. I commend devolution. Those who fear devolution are living in the past. They are being guided by their ethnic consideration and objectives. They are living in the past.   If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?  It is because they did away with exclusion.   What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.”

There we have it clearly stated by the current Minister of Lands in Kenya that Obama was “born here in Kenya” and is not a “native American.”  It is unbelievable that a high-ranking member of the Kenyan government would make such a matter-of-fact statement,  given the debate that is raging in the United States about whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya,  and the press here in the USA did not report his statement.

From his statement, it appears that Mr. Orengo believes that the American electorate knew that Obama was born in Kenya and still voted for him to be President.  It is also significant that no one in the Kenyan Parliament corrected or challenged Mr. Orengo when he made his statement.  Thus,  it is a given that Obama’s place of birth in Kenya must be well-known.   But they apparently do not know the importance of that statement to Obama’s legitimacy to be the President of the United States.  Kenya would not only be embarrassed,  but would also be negatively impacted upon if Obama were found not to be the legitimate President of the United States.

Given the importance to us here in the USA, and the matter-of-fact tone of his statement, one would also think that Mr. Orengo would share his knowledge with the American people if asked for further details.   I surely hope that the American media will immediately fly to Kenya and personally interview Mr. Orengo to find out why he said what he did and is certain that Obama was born in Kenya and is not a native American.

The full House Report was originally found on the Kenyan government website.   However, after this news broke on the internet in the USA, direct viewing of these minutes was scrubbed/disabled on the Kenyan server as of  April 15, 2010.   But, a copy of the Kenyan National Assembly PDF file was saved and uploaded to SCRIBD.com can still be downloaded.    The speech of Mr. Orengo starts at page 29 and ends at page 31.   View the key remark here.

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Is Barack Obama an African posing as an American citizen?

Was he born a continent away as they say he was?

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147 responses to “What Do Kenyan Ministers Know that Americans Don’t Know? (Open Thread)

  1. The real irony is that in another case, this same judge, Malihi, ruled that it’s the candidate’s job to prove eligibility. It is NOT the plaintiff’s job to prove ineligibility. Why didn’t they cite his own ruling to him? I would be a better lawyer in this case, I swear to God. We all would. It’s infuriating.

    • It isn’t only infuriating it is also fighting words and if there is any doubts about this — I mean stick it in your ass obama.

    • Why did he issue a defalt due to a defendant that did not bother to show up and then rule like this ? It does not make sense. Are we dreaming all of this ?

  2. Is it ok if I say “RAT BASTARDS” on here?

    I just want to throw up

    • Go ahead Ray. It is a throw up fest….Is this all FAKE ?

      • FAKE? I would like to believe it is……So far though, I have found sites saying to different rulings. So who is telling the truth. Just goes to show the sites I find on here that say they’re a news site could easily be FAKE. It’s really hard to believe I could think for one minute that this judge would be any different than the rest, even when there looked like there could be no way a judge could look the other way on some of this evidence . If the ruling you guys have read that’s bringing all to throw up, I hope you get well soon. This is really no worse than the initial Supreme court Dickheads that first alowed this creep his wiggle room. I say it ain’t over yet. One thing is for sure, so sure, if Obama just walked away from this this easy, then it’s a sure indication that the government,CIA, FBI, and everybody up there is protecting him and no one is to be trusted. Even the ones that know and maybe aren’t covering for him are still not saying anything. Now why would that be????

        • alfy, What do you think of when I mention the word INTERPOL ?
          First thought you think of Alf.

          • INTERPOL ooh Renee, I don’t know how to answer that. A European inter police conglomerate……who share info on international criminals, ones who commit a crime and possibly flee to another country. How am I supposed to answer that? What are yu thinking?? I think their headquarters now is in Paris France. Hmmm…. you got me wondering what I am supposed to be thinking. MY head is smokin….what’s the first thing you think OF?

          • Alf, I am thinking of the bits online 2 Christmas holidays ago of 660 INTERPOL agents- secretly boots on the ground here. I also think of global crime…then I wonder if this is what we are seeing shadows of… There has to be something much bigger and hidden to what we are seeing sooo…I keep thinking. That is why I asked. Anyone else remember this ?

  3. There are two Americas: Those who uphold the law and the constitution, trust in justice being delivered truthfully; and then those that don’t care and take payoffs and bribes.
    Honestly, we need to split into two Americans. Allow the liberals their portion, then the conservatives theirs.

  4. Pray for Sheriff Joe!

    • If LoneRanger Joe is still alive and still investigating then he must have some special RedNecks looking out for him down there. I mean this in a good way all yu Rednecks . My neck gets red on occasion too. I’m just saying somebody with some redneck cunning who knows how to protect Joe is all I can think is keeping scoundrels from doing something bad to keep Joe from doing his job.

    • Re: Read this article. Can someone explain this to us? Two different rulings…

      Posted By: Watchman
      Date: Friday, 3-Feb-2012 18:49:44

      In Response To: Read this article… It says that Judge Ruled Obama is Eligible (Rayelan)
      Tiz really elementary… There are at least four possible reasons for the confusion..
      1) The big boyz had a talk with the Judge in his private quarters, where Qbummer promised him the next SC opening.
      2) A time warp occurred.
      3) The Judge issued 2 rulings, and the clerk posted the wrong one.
      4) The most probable one, IMO, is that the alternate media is getting setup..

      • Read this article… It says that Judge Ruled Obama is Eligible

        Posted By: Rayelan [Send E-Mail]
        Date: Friday, 3-Feb-2012 18:36:09

        In Response To: Re: THE GEORGIA JUDGE HAS RULED THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THE GEORGIA BALLOT….. SEE THE DOCKET (unplugged)
        http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/judge-malihi-rules-that-obama-is-eligible-to-be-on-georgias-ballot/

        Here’s the actual ruling…

        http://ncrenegade.com/PDF/Taitz.pdf

        Can someone explain this to us? Two different rulings.

        : The Judge, the State of Georgia, and, of course, the 2
        : plaintiffs are to be commended. Well done. Very well done
        : indeed!

        : Time for a few more states to step up to the plate. Of course
        : in certain corrupt states where the fix is in (like NC
        : where the Governor is videotaped saying it might be a good
        : idea to SUSPEND ELECTIONS) nothing fair and/or
        : constitutional is likely to happen.

        snip~

        What is going on please ?

      • What is meant by “the alternate media is getting setup..”?

    • What the He$$?

      The first one is not signed by the judge.

    • I know , I read both rulings in more than one place. Any media covered it yet? I also checked a local Georgia news thing. It started out with some reporter who had been to the hearing and as it progressed one could tell it was in Obama’s armored tank. I didn’t know what to believe.
      I would like for someone to also clear up the matter of how, if Jablonsky is really an electorate, if this matter would be improper for him to be involved. If he claims that as an electorate he has an obligation to show Obama’s legal rights to the ballot then it proves that electorates and people elected to serve at the electorate county and state level ballot process have an obligation to prove Obama’s credentials and not the other way around at the Federal level. I’m waiting to hear something Monday on some news program. Friday was a perfect day to scramble everyone’s mind on the issue so by Monday people may assume he’s eligible and chalk it up to another loss and not pay attention when Malihi’s legal recorded decision goes on the books. I looked everywhere for a statement from a local source for a statement and their was nothing. There were other voting issues but nothing on this. Odd

  5. Hey ….RAY 5:55pm
    “RAT BASTARDS” back at ya all!
    Regroup ~ stand tall ~ our head rules us not just our hearts….
    Damm that Judge and all the rest of the cheaters
    Bigger men have felt this pain
    Thanks for all the work from our family/buddies I still need you guy/gals!
    Thanks
    We can all have a rest this weekend…..

  6. The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can’t Say About The Obama Administration
    5 hrs ago.

    Military Orders Catholic Chaplains Not To Read Letter From Bishops Criticizing Obama Administration Over Health Insurance Law…

    The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

    The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

    All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.” Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter. But after he did, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

    More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway. Others sought further instructions from their Archbishop.

    Keep reading…
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-is-now-telling-catholic-chaplains-can-and-cant-say-about-obama-administration-2012-2

    • We thought we needed a military coup? It appears the military has taken the side..the wrong side.

    • Can you freaking believe this? Imagine if GWB had done anything remotely similar. Now he’s the chaplain in chief, too. All theology must be approved by him? W(here)TF does this guy get off? Well, if he can ignore the Constitution as much as he has already, why not step on freedom of religion, too? And speech? Where’s the ACLU on THIS ONE. Do they RUE this day, too? YET? Seditious against the Commander in Chief. What an ego. Who does he think he is?

      I suppose there must still be brave men among the Catholic chaplains of the US military, for some to have gone ahead and read it anyway. What’s he gonna do now? Try them for sedition? Court martial? God bless them. Civil disobedience against the Community Organizer in Chief.

      “Archbishop Broglio and the Archdiocese stand firm in the belief, based on legal precedent, that such a directive from the Army constituted a violation of his Constitutionally-protected right of free speech and the free exercise of religion, as well as those same rights of all military chaplains and their congregants.

      Following a discussion between Archbishop Broglio and the Secretary of the Army, The Honorable John McHugh, it was agreed that it was a mistake to stop the reading of the Archbishop’s letter. Additionally, the line: “We cannot-we will not-comply with this unjust law” was removed by Archbishop Broglio at the suggestion of Secretary McHugh over the concern that it could potentially be misunderstood as a call to civil disobedience.”

      Is civil disobedience reserved for Jesse Jackson, New Black Panthers, Occupiers, and La Raza? Catholics need not apply? No civil disobedience for you!

      • How much you wanna bet this won’t be reported by the Zombie Media? [Maybe I should start calling this Zombie America. We still look alive but we're the walking dead. RIP.]

        I looked in the WSJ today and saw NOTHING, literally NOTHING, about the Fast and Furious hearing of yesterday. All that was in the local paper was a blurb, a paragraph, about how Congress threatened to cite Holder for contempt of Congress for withholding documents. But they don’t in any way explain what documents or WHY he’s hiding them. They don’t explain about Officer Terry or the hundreds of people already dead because of Holder and how now he lies and perjures himself and nobody cares.

        They are covering for ALL the horror, all the corruption, all the illegal thefts of our money that was bestowed on “Friends of Barry”, all the bankrupt green energy companies we bankrolled, all the illegal campaign contributions, all the illegal campaign activities, and they will cover this up, too, because they know what a problem he’s already having with the double-crossed Catholics who are finally wising up.

        • I listened to the hearing for Holder and it is so obvious that Holder has made it a long practice of never getting his hands dirty in anything that goes down shadey. I want somebody to knock his pompous head off . Or maybe ,what was that term ” a Glassectomy” is exactly what he needs. Rembember that term somebody found. So fitting for Holder. I’d like to see that in Monday’s headlines , that we havn’t heard from Holder lately as he is having some emergency surgery this weekend but will have a much better view this week after doctors were able to perform an emergency glassectomy. His outlook is Good.

    • Sounds like the Chaplains are afraid they might end up like Lakin? They most likely fear indefinite detention!

  7. Israel Warns US Jews: Iran Could Strike Jewish Targets In America
    Feb. 3, 2012
    (ABC News) — Israeli facilities in North America — and around the world — are on high alert, according to an internal security document obtained by ABC News that predicted the threat from Iran against Jewish targets will increase.

    “We predict that the threat on our sites around the world will increase … on both our guarded sites and ‘soft’ sites,” stated a letter circulated by the head of security for the Consul General for the Mid-Atlantic States. Guarded sites refers to government facilities like embassies and consulates, while ‘soft sites’ means Jewish synagogues, and schools, as well as community centers like the one hit by a terrorist bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994 that killed 85 people.

    The head of Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security service, told an audience at a closed forum in Tel Aviv recently that Iran is trying to hit Israeli targets because of what it believes are Israeli attacks on it nuclear scientists. Yoram Cohen said that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the same militant wing of the government linked to the recent alleged plot against the Saudi ambassador to the U.S., is working tirelessly to attack Israeli and Jewish targets abroad in order to deter Israel.

    Local and regional law enforcement and intelligence officials in U.S. and Canadian cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Toronto have been monitoring the situation closely for several weeks, and have stepped up patrols at Israeli government locations and Jewish cultural and religious institutions.
    cont.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israel-warns-us-jews-iran-strike/story?id=15506257#.TyxAWM1Zbww

  8. Iran’s Supreme Leader Says He May Release Love Letter Sent To Him By Obama… Wh denies sending them a letter. So, knowing they deny it, we can assume it was done.

    H/T WZ Another brilliant PR move by Obama about to blow up in his face.

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